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navier-stoked
Aug 30, 2004

The Snoo posted:

god this one made me physically uncomfortable :(

yeah, she's a good writer and her husband is great for crafting miserable, awful situations. do i smell a successful writing duo maybe?

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Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

ReadingZucchini posted:

yeah, she's a good writer and her husband is great for crafting miserable, awful situations. do i smell a successful writing duo maybe?

Ike and Tina reboot 2017!

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.
I don't see any issue with the ring assuming she isn't crazy. She isn't engaged anymore so it's not an engagement ring, when it was used in an engagement it wasn't imbibed with magical engagement powers, it's not haunted by a marriage that will never be, if she doesn't buy it someone else will eventually buy it and it will remain just a pretty ring.

Honestly I don't even see the issue with any future partner. Maybe their relationship will be completely insecure and it will be a reminder of how she didn't follow through with a previous engagement but otherwise I doubt the history of the ring will ever come up in any meaningful way, she came into some money and bought a ring she really, really liked, it's the truth, would it be weird if the ring was returned and she bought one really, really similar to it from the same designer? Again, unless she was crazy I doubt it.

When you break up there is no obligation that you rid yourself of all the artifacts from that relationship to start a new one and the people that think there is are crazy and you should stay away from them in general.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
She doesn't even have to lie except by omission about the ring.

"Yeah, I know it's an engagement ring, but I really liked how it looked so I bought it anyways"

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

No I should get rid of my dog because I adopted him when I was in a relationship. And stepchildren should all be sent to the guillotines because they are remnants of a failed relationship.


"I [26M posted:

think my girlfriend [31F] is taking the love languages too far"]
 Reddit,

My girlfriend and I have been together for 3 years and have been getting into a lot of arguments lately and just generally not getting along. A friend recommended the book on the 5 love languages (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to write the book and author?) and so we read it together and talked about what we read to each other. In the end, we came to that my love language is acts of service, while hers was all the other ones. Yeah, she figured out that she had FOUR love languages - quality time, gift giving, words, physical touch and in her words "definitely not acts of service". I thought that you should have like 1 or 2, but okay.

The problem is, she has been using this information to... I don't know... guilt me? I cook dinner every night even if she is home first, prepare her lunch every morning, I empty and load the dishwasher, clean up after cooking, go grocery shopping (I also pay), pick up all her clothes off the floor, fold and put away laundry, clean the bathroom, take out the trash. Well guys, if I ask for help from her... my love language is acts of service, so I show her I love her by cooking and cleaning while she sits on the couch playing video games!! I don't know if my tone is coming across here, but I'm really resentful about it. On TWO occasions she has offered to help clean up after dinner. The first time, she started to wipe the counter got annoyed that we bumped into each other (small kitchen) and gave up. The second time, she forgot she offered and had a bath instead. The regular chores she does around the house are vacuuming and doing the laundry (not including folding).

On to her love languages. There are things she does that I don't particularly like, but if I bring it up she says "it's my love language!". The one I have a biggest issue with is gift giving. I do not like receiving gifts. I understand that she shows me she loves me by giving gifts; she has given me really awesome gifts, and I show her my appreciation. But if she asks me if I'm okay with not receiving any gifts this Christmas, I'm not going to lie, I told her I don't mind at all if she doesn't get me anything. Well that turned into a 2 day long fight. She yelled that she has spent thousands of dollars on presents for me, I'm cold hearted because I don't want her gifts, etc. I do like her gifts! A lot of the things she has gotten me I still use every day! But I'm not lying when I say that I don't want anything for Christmas/birthdays. She says her love language is gift giving though, so I have to give her gifts to show that I love her. On more than one occasion she has gotten angry at me because my gifts weren't good enough. For birthday/Christmas/valentine's day I have to get her at least 3 thoughtful gifts and maybe a couple of small things. I probably spend $500-$700 on each occasion.

As I type this out, it sounds a bit petty and whiny. Maybe I just needed a rant to get this off my chest and reading this back to myself...I kind of sound like a jerk. But I'm feeling a bit taken advantage of. If I try to protest, she just brings up the love languages and deviating from it means I don't love her. Maybe I didn't read the book properly and am misunderstanding? Maybe we are just incompatible? If so, I'm not sure how to go forward.

tl;dr: My gf and I read the book on 5 love languages. I have 1 love language, she has 4. Now there is justification for me doing everything around the house and spending hundreds of dollars on gifts for her.

My love languages are all of the ones you don't speak and I refuse to meet you halfway because you obviously don't love me if you expect me to wash a dish.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

I Was The Fury posted:

No I should get rid of my dog because I adopted him when I was in a relationship. And stepchildren should all be sent to the guillotines because they are remnants of a failed relationship.


My love languages are all of the ones you don't speak and I refuse to meet you halfway because you obviously don't love me if you expect me to wash a dish.

Tell her your love language is breaking up with her.

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

"My [25M posted:

girlfriend [21F] is always on her phone"]
Hi

I've been with my gf for about 14 months and we were very good friends for about 2 years prior to getting together. I got a job in a city quite far away and she followed so we moved in together about 6 months ago.

She has always been a little bit of a social media addict but in the last month it's getting out of control. I used to come home from work, we'd cook dinner together, watch TV, chat and cuddle. We'd use our phones a little bit, scrolling Facebook showing each other funny videos etc.

Recently, I come home from work, she doesn't want to help cook because shes sitting on her phone messaging friends. We then spend the evening sitting apart while she taps away on her phone for hours, I get bored and end up falling asleep.

If I tell her politely to put down the phone she will get defensive, say "don't I have the right to message my friends after work?", accuse me of being controlling or say I'm being oversensitive or jealous or sulky. When I say I just thought we were going to spend a bit of our evening together, she says "go on then suggest something".

Yesterday I lost it at her because we went to get dinner together and we sat in the car outside the shops for 15 minutes while she tapped away on her phone ignoring me. I snapped and said "I'm bored" and walked off. She later apologised and said she didn't know it had been that long. She made an effort to be less engrossed but the whole night her phone was making notification sounds, snapchat, instagram, Facebook etc and she would always go back and check it.

She told me I should say more often it's bothering me rather than "sulk" but I don't think that's fair. I think if you are considerate of your partner and interested then you shouldn't need to be repeatedly prompted to put the phone down.

I know the people she's talking to, they're not male and I know she genuinely deeply loves me but I'm finding myself saying if I'm spending my time with someone who makes me feel low and cant consider my feelings without being nagged at and making me feel like a bad guy then what am I doing here?

Tldr; live with gf and feel like her phone friends get more attention than me

Don't date millenials

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

I Was The Fury posted:

I [26M] think my girlfriend [31F] is taking the love languages too far posted:

I secretly judge the poo poo out of couples who read this book together.

snoo
Jul 5, 2007




the gently caress is a love language

DragQueenofAngmar
Dec 29, 2009

You shall not pass!
I am legit afraid I will not find someone to date long term because loving being on your phone when there is a real person in front of you is so mindbogglingly rude to me, but it's become the standard of behavior for my generation :(

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
The concept is mostly to explain why, like, your grizzled old dad is shy about actually saying "I love you" but he checks the oil in your car whenever you come over and then he calls to make sure you got home safe. The idea is okayish but if you're getting "I have to do all the chores now" out of it, you didn't actually read it

Barudak
May 7, 2007

The Snoo posted:

the gently caress is a love language

It is a theoretical model to understand how people express their love for others in a relationship. If it works at all it does not work the way the people in the above story are using it unless you count manipulating your partner as a valid use.

Rat Patrol
Feb 15, 2008

kill kill kill kill
kill me now
Yeah the idea is to help people communicate better, and improving the way YOU communicate n order to be a better partner (the thought being you actually care about your partner's happiness and vice versa, so you'd both be trying to act with each other's needs and feelings in mind). Twisting that into forcing you partner to do whatever you want is not using the concepts as intended, to say the least.

I think it's at the very least a nice idea for couples to talk about, to keep communication going, but like any nice and helpful idea, selfish assholes will find a way to exploit it.

DragQueenofAngmar
Dec 29, 2009

You shall not pass!
I don't trust that loving book. it reads like that poo poo put out by quiverfulls and other maniacs for the wives to read about how to "understand the ways your husband gives love" to keep them in their horrific and likely abusive marriages, and surprise surprise, the book was written by a baptist pastor with a phd from a baptist university

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

Barudak posted:

It is a theoretical model to understand how people express their love for others in a relationship. If it works at all it does not work the way the people in the above story are using it unless you count manipulating your partner as a valid use.

Why would a person even read a relationship book if not to manipulate better?

snoo
Jul 5, 2007




being a giant bitch is just how I show my love

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

I Was The Fury posted:

No I should get rid of my dog because I adopted him when I was in a relationship. And stepchildren should all be sent to the guillotines because they are remnants of a failed relationship.


My love languages are all of the ones you don't speak and I refuse to meet you halfway because you obviously don't love me if you expect me to wash a dish.

Imagine having a relationship so bad that your way of fixing it is to become shittier to each other in a highly regimented and accountable way.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

tactlessbastard posted:

Why would a person even read a relationship book if not to manipulate better?

Counter-Operations and Anti-Relationship Partisan Task Force Training

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

"How do I [23M posted:

help my girlfriend [24F] know that I’m attracted to her and I crave her literally all day everyday?"]
TL;DR My girlfriend thinks that I’m unattracted to her because I had a hard time climaxing while doing cowgirl, and I never ask for nudes. I feel like crap because I didn’t lie to her.

Okay so huuuuuuuge posting here. This is my first time on Reddit since March so forgive me if my reddiquete is lacking.

Girlfriend and I have been together since June, been best friends for months before then. The main issue with our relationship is that she feels as if I’m not attracted to her. It all started back in August when she asked why I didn’t like her on top while having sex. Prior to meeting her I had been single for 2+ years and quite honestly I masturbated a ton. I have a strong reason to believe that I was afflicted with Death Grip syndrome (not an official illness, but most know what I’m talking about here.) She was very aware of this when we first started having sex and whenever she would be on top, I would rarely ever cum. I explained it to her again that the problem was completely my own and I preferred other positions but she took it to heart and it blew away her self confidence. Fast forward to now, all we do is missionary and she tells me that she feels extremely uncomfortable with me when we have sex. She claims all we will ever have is missionary sex forever and I know that neither of us want that. I’m just so lost on what to do on this one, it feels like I’ve dug a 1,000 foot grave and there’s no way to get out.

In my past relationships I’ve been chastised and told no whenever I’ve asked for nudes from prior girlfriends. When I have received them, it only weakened the relationship to the point of breaking up. Naturally, my brain hard wired itself into thinking asking for naked pics from an SO is bad. Unfortunately this mindset has just led my current girlfriend to believe that I don’t want to see her naked, as taking and sending pics is very very very provocative for her. She brought up once about why I never ask for them but she thinks I’m lying when I tell her the truth about past girlfriends. Now when I do ask for them, she gets mad with me because she feels as if I’m only asking because she said something (which to a certain extent is true, but not because I never asked cause I never wanted to see her.)

It truly feels like I’ve completely ruined our relationship over just being honest and I can’t stand that. I feel like crap because I DIDNT lie to her, is that bad? Everyday I wake up and I feel like she’s going to break up with me because of how miserable she is, but doesn’t believe me or meet me halfway when I try to fix things or change her mind. Has anyone had a similar experience or can offer any advice?

Thanks in advance for any response this may receive. I’m sure there’s a ton that I’m leaving out and more questions that y’all may have and if so post them and I’ll let you know. Ive got a full day of classes today so I may be slow on a response but I promise I will respond.

In response to a commenter who asked "why only those two positions?"


quote:

There’s no reasoning with emotions, I’ve come to find. We do other things but only for a few short time span, then it’s right back to missionary. I’m pretty sure it stems from her not being comfortable with me which I understand. She’s very childish and vindictive which I knew going into this relationship so I’m sure that plays into it as well.

We’ve talked about a future together and I want one with her; I’m far from ready to give up on it.

Don't date insecure people
Don't date masturbators
Don't date childish and vindictive people
Don't date honest people
Don't date

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

Anne Whateley posted:

The concept is mostly to explain why, like, your grizzled old dad is shy about actually saying "I love you" but he checks the oil in your car whenever you come over and then he calls to make sure you got home safe. The idea is okayish but if you're getting "I have to do all the chores now" out of it, you didn't actually read it

Also the other part of this is that your partner should definitely know what your love languages are and then be responsible for making sure that you know that you're loved.

lol at having 4 love languages though, that's just her being a greedy person.

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

Palpek posted:

People coming up with an idea to open their relationships in order to get a free pass on an affair they have been developing anyway and then getting butthurt jealous when their partner actually does find a sex hookup never gets old.
As that other guy lol yes I've watched this happen so many times I can't even remember them all anymore. I would even try to devil's advocate for the guy since they weren't there to defend themselves. Now I flat out will tell someone "oh yeah you're here with me because it sounds like you want out of your relationship" if we go out more than once. I don't say it to trick them or manipulate them, as you all have gathered from the thread it simply is the truth but they haven't gotten there yet.

To clarify I'm the person who the one partner finds after the decision was made not the guy who triggered it in the first place.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.
Why are people always so down on missionary? Variety never hurt anyone but it's a drat good position.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

I don't trust that loving book. it reads like that poo poo put out by quiverfulls and other maniacs for the wives to read about how to "understand the ways your husband gives love" to keep them in their horrific and likely abusive marriages, and surprise surprise, the book was written by a baptist pastor with a phd from a baptist university

I haven't read through the whole book but I've read huge chunks of it, it's not really what you're describing at all. The intention is totally to have BOTH partners learn ways to communicate love in a way that makes a difference for the other person.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Three Olives posted:

Why are people always so down on missionary? Variety never hurt anyone but it's a drat good position.

porn

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
what the hell kind of broke brains are you that nudes from your gf is a bad thing

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Three Olives posted:

Why are people always so down on missionary? Variety never hurt anyone but it's a drat good position.

It is the house with the white picket fence in the suburbs of loving

venus de lmao
Apr 30, 2007

Call me "pixeltits"

Three Olives doesn't like the suburbs because children can be seen playing.

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

Palpek posted:

My (27m) wife (26f) married one year, together 5. Is kind of mean, in that "take no prisoners, get things done, do things right the first time" way and is terrible to coworkers, servers, call center people...how do I get her to calm down a bit?

Good job marrying a person knowing exactly how she is and expecting her to change.

I was in an abusive relationship with someone like this and reading this freaked me out like a 'Nam flashback.

It was exactly the same thing, she'd devote hours and sometimes even DAYS to arguing with people in order to get miniscule fees removed or get coupons honored. She'd constantly try to get things for free by arguing that service at restaurants was bad, or that waiters didn't mention some special of the day so we should get free food since we didn't know all the options.

She'd call every bill company she had, argue with them for hours that she was going to cancel the card/utility/cable/whatever and then get $5 or whatever removed off the bill or get a free week of the movie channels. She'd do that every single month and argue that it was a good use of her time.

She got herself banned from multiple restaurants and bars for constantly belittling the staff, and our local internet company even banned her because she "had demands that couldn't be met by the company".

When that poo poo turned on me it was terrifying. I used pizza sauce instead of pasta sauce for dinner one night and she mentioned it to me for months as "a big screw up". She got physically violent at one point and that was when I finally wised up and got out. Hopefully this dude ends things before it gets to that level.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

1st AD posted:

lol at having 4 love languages though, that's just her being a greedy person.
I disagree with this part, it's better to have more love languages. Like grumpy old dad would be more ~self-actualized~ if he weren't limited to checking your car and if he were actually able to suck it up and say "I love you, I'm proud of you, I miss you"

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

I don't trust that loving book. it reads like that poo poo put out by quiverfulls and other maniacs for the wives to read about how to "understand the ways your husband gives love" to keep them in their horrific and likely abusive marriages, and surprise surprise, the book was written by a baptist pastor with a phd from a baptist university

1st AD posted:

I haven't read through the whole book but I've read huge chunks of it, it's not really what you're describing at all. The intention is totally to have BOTH partners learn ways to communicate love in a way that makes a difference for the other person.
In theory it's fine, it isn't inherently hosed up imo. In practice, given our society, yeah it is often used to get women to suck it up à la "he never says anything nice but he did the dishes just last week! I should be more grateful!" or "so he forgot my birthday but he wants blowjobs every night, that means he loves me!" Their later writings have tried to counter those tendencies iirc, but it can still be steered in that direction.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

A Fancy Hat posted:

I was in an abusive relationship with someone like this and reading this freaked me out like a 'Nam flashback.

It was exactly the same thing, she'd devote hours and sometimes even DAYS to arguing with people in order to get miniscule fees removed or get coupons honored. She'd constantly try to get things for free by arguing that service at restaurants was bad, or that waiters didn't mention some special of the day so we should get free food since we didn't know all the options.

She'd call every bill company she had, argue with them for hours that she was going to cancel the card/utility/cable/whatever and then get $5 or whatever removed off the bill or get a free week of the movie channels. She'd do that every single month and argue that it was a good use of her time.

She got herself banned from multiple restaurants and bars for constantly belittling the staff, and our local internet company even banned her because she "had demands that couldn't be met by the company".

When that poo poo turned on me it was terrifying. I used pizza sauce instead of pasta sauce for dinner one night and she mentioned it to me for months as "a big screw up". She got physically violent at one point and that was when I finally wised up and got out. Hopefully this dude ends things before it gets to that level.

As a dude who worked for an ISP, I hope these people rot in hell forever. Lol at being refused service by an ISP, in the 8 years that I spent in this shithole, I saw this only like 3 times. Being rude to the staff anywhere is the mother of all red flags.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Guys love language is always Sex / physicality.

Womens love language is normally something specific but smart men try to convince them it's gifts.

Kill all men.

walgreenslatino
Jun 2, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Pick posted:

Ooooo look who got his ring there lmao. did she say yes or did she say mace is legal in this state

lmao

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
The later stuff has been explicitly like "if you just like sex, that doesn't count as a love language! For touch to be your love language, you have to be really into cuddling that goes nowhere, hugging, touching each other as you pass in the kitchen, knowing how your partner likes to be touched, etc." because that was absolutely a loophole a lot of people dove for

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

Turtlicious posted:

Guys love language is always Sex / physicality.

Womens love language is normally something specific but smart men try to convince them it's gifts.

Kill all men.

:idk: mine are primarily touch and words of affirmation, followed by quality time and acts of service. My girlfriend's are primarily touch and quality time, followed very closely by acts of service and words of affirmation.


Anne Whateley posted:

The later stuff has been explicitly like "if you just like sex, that doesn't count as a love language! For touch to be your love language, you have to be really into cuddling that goes nowhere, hugging, touching each other as you pass in the kitchen, knowing how your partner likes to be touched, etc." because that was absolutely a loophole a lot of people dove for

Yeah this.

burial
Sep 13, 2002

actually, that won't be necessary.

blarzgh posted:

Haha her dad even told him to gtfo

Once, when I broke up with a girl, her father told me that he was really going to miss having me around but that I was totally dodging several bullets and was glad I had the stones to end it before things got worse.

It was unprompted and weirdly helpful. I still miss that alcoholic blacksmith. Not so much the daughter. I like to think if any of my kids end up being assholes to their partners, I’ll be the same way.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug
Is cooking a nice dinner or baking stuff an act of service or a gift? Seems like it could be described as both.

Really any act of service that could be bought seems like it overlaps with gifts. Even cleaning or w/e could theoretically be purchased via housecleaners.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.
It sounds like a lot of couples take "acts of service" to mean poo poo that has to be done but I don't want to do it.

"The way that you show me that you love me is do all the poo poo in the house that has to be done so we don't live like animals"
"I can't show my love by just going to the store and buying some of the groceries that I eat, it's not my love language and also I don't recognize that you are doing all the poo poo work in the house because I don't speak that language but I do speak the language of gifts so you should buy me more stuff so I understand that you love me."

I totally get the splitting of household responsibilities but what I see over and over again in doomed relationships is someone just refuses to pull their own weight in the household and then blames it on other bullshit like "you show your love by service so you do all the chores in the house and I will touch you later to show you that I love you. K tnx."

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

My ex's love language was loudly watching SVU without headphones while I was trying to sleep and sending nudes to people on Craigslist while I was at work.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Chores are not love language, that's poo poo you do even when not in a relationship, that poo poo shouldn't even be considered, other than the fact that you should thank your partner because they cooked for both of you, cleaned up both your messes, etc etc.

Also, the phrase "Love Language" makes me irrationally angry.

MF_James fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Nov 21, 2017

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Barudak
May 7, 2007

Something that is also manipulated is youre supposed to do the things the other people do as well. If your partners thing is pointless cuddling, cuddle them randomly sometimes. If theyre into gifts surprise them with flowers.

Instead it tends to be “hey do your service of cleaning the house which i totes appreciate and Ill show that by having you eat me out until the health inspector shuts this buffet down”

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