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spincube posted:I love the idea of having more citizen-focused, 'organic' disasters than the same ones we've seen since SC2K. Like an 'oh poo poo' industrial dispute where the roads into your cargo terminals end up under Operation Stack, for example - or a cold-weather disease that spreads via public transport, or something. Let's find out whether the agent simulation is smart enough to require actual road upkeep, instead of a generic cost-per-unit - as in, roads visually degrade until they need to be closed or restricted until they can be repaired. Yeah. Disasters that actually stress my city networks and not just a pretty way to smash everything down like I'm 5 with my LEGOs.
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Just doing some suburban things and crying over RICO still not being fixed and the creator being MIA. Little tram stop in what will be a denser office area  Park separating the core of the city from the suburbs because without rico I can't really do a nice transition.  So many little houses  The highway flows nice, still only the one offramp through. Little suburban train station is fairly well used as well.  Some retail and apartments next to the station  What's suburbia without big dehumanizing malls?  Made a 2nd highway connection way up north, though the area had a nice view so added a hotel and a strip for gas stations and other ugly highway-side services. Wish I had some little motel instead of that tower though.  And the map so far  Obviously nothing is detailed at this point.
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Baronjutter posted:Just doing some suburban things and crying over RICO still not being fixed and the creator being MIA. What in RICO is broken exactly? I haven't noticed any problems - then again, most of what I've been up to since Green Cities dropped is doing big-picture infrastructure on a new map.
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Baronjutter posted:Just for fun a while ago I made a big ugly sprawling highway city and traffic was hell. The game isn't perfect but you often do get the traffic you build for, there's almost an induced demand effect. Build huge mega-grids of highways and you'll get a huge amount of car traffic, but that exact same population when built in a cozy web of 2-lane streets and bike lanes and good transit and suddenly it all works nice too. The problem for me has always been intersections with traffic lights. They suck and don't work like real ones. I end up making everything into a mini interchange if I can, and have as few entrances and exits from areas as possible, which works because cims will stupidly only go out/in one road anyway.
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dragonshardz posted:What in RICO is broken exactly? I haven't noticed any problems - then again, most of what I've been up to since Green Cities dropped is doing big-picture infrastructure on a new map. All high density residential have their settings over-written to have the capacity of what ever vanilla light residential would have. So what used to be a rico apartment tower with 80 households now has 3. Everything else is fine though! But when you like to make vast housing estates with big long rico apartment building sets you're hosed until the dude comes back and fixed the mod 
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Baronjutter posted:All high density residential have their settings over-written to have the capacity of what ever vanilla light residential would have. So what used to be a rico apartment tower with 80 households now has 3. Everything else is fine though! But when you like to make vast housing estates with big long rico apartment building sets you're hosed until the dude comes back and fixed the mod Are you using FindIt to place your buildings, and if so have you tried placing them with the Rico menu? Apparently that fixes some people's issues.
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turn off the TV posted:Are you using FindIt to place your buildings, and if so have you tried placing them with the Rico menu? Apparently that fixes some people's issues. Tried both ways, no luck. Weirdly I have a set of 3 very similar german mid-century apartment houses. 2 of them plop down with 3 households, one plops with the correct rico-set 16. No idea why, they all came from the same author with the same settings in the same pack. But 100% of my eastern european blocks give 2-3 households
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Baronjutter posted:Tried both ways, no luck. Weirdly I have a set of 3 very similar german mid-century apartment houses. 2 of them plop down with 3 households, one plops with the correct rico-set 16. No idea why, they all came from the same author with the same settings in the same pack. But 100% of my eastern european blocks give 2-3 households Interesting, what building set and what buildings are the ones that do work? There are a couple of people looking into issues with the mod and that could be pretty helpful for them to know.
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turn off the TV posted:Interesting, what building set and what buildings are the ones that do work? There are a couple of people looking into issues with the mod and that could be pretty helpful for them to know. This one works and gives the correct 16 households http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=689183956 Yet these two, like most, do not. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672153120 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=674944487 When placed, all 3 query as "light residential" yet the "b" block gives 16 vs 3 households. I have no idea why.
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I was able to find a section of RICO's code that probably was the issue and someone else has reported that they found a typo in that section and fixing is solved the issue, so hopefully someone uploads a fixed version some time soon.
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Yeah I was just coming to post that it's just apparently one bit of wrong code someone's figured out. I hope a new caretaker for the mod can be found. Stuff like metro overhaul needing to be "patched" due to the official owner going away for a long while and now the same problem with RICO really highlights that the steam workshop is fine for stuff like buildings and props but for big mods people rely on there really need to be some sort of joint ownership system, where a group of people all have access. So all those big mods that have like 3-4 people listed as creators, they should all have the ability to update the mod if needed.
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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1204126182 Here we go, the author of Realistic Population and Consumption uploaded a fixed version. Plop away, Baronjutter.
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 I'm sure we've all been there before, plopping planters then trying to plop trees on top. Also Whitefang is the best Furry on the internet. Also AJ3D just commented on whitefang's fix and there's some other rico/realstic pop issue someone else found so I think I'm just going to wait a bit and hopefully AJ3D can just properly update the actual mod nicely. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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Nov 18, 2017 20:03
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AJ was active in the beta forum just last week so I don't know what was going on there.
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/W...4!4d-77.5740588 Check out this intersection. This is I-590 at Winton Rd in Rochester, NY. The intersection design is called a diverging diamond. It crosses the opposing lanes at the ramps, forcing red lights at the intersection, to avoid left turn crashes and better reduce and control congestion. I'm not sure this would translate to the game but I might give it a try.
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For the most part, the diamonds work in game, but the hard part can be getting the roads to look good without any lights appearing on them. There are a bunch of diverging diamonds on the workshop if you want to save some sanity as well.
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turn off the TV posted:It's hard to make comparisons when using realistic population and citizen lifestyle rebalance because those mods both change a great deal about how traffic ends up working on top of being customizable on a player by player basis, and when you throw in poo poo like custom assets having their stats scale by size, rush hour and TM:PE it's hard to make comparisons. Which mods are these?
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Minenfeld! posted:Which mods are these? Realistic Population and Consumption and Citizen Lifecyle Rebalance.
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Got it. Thanks.
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So, eating my words a little about totally not needing highways. Due to all the suburbia I've been building and the mod I'm using that makes suburban scum much more likely to drive I actually started getting some serious congestion, about 50/50 trucks and cars along the routes marked in red. It was obvious this was going to happen as this was the only route through the region and all the industrial traffic from the far east had to go through the city to reach the regional highway on the far west, as well as deliver goods around. What solved things were in two parts. The most obvious, a bypass route in blue. This is still just a simple 2-lane "highway" without fancy interchanges and some normal surface intersections. The less obvious part was speed limits. Even before I built the bypass route in blue, I lowered the speed limits on all avenues in the city from 50 to 40. This meant that cims no longer prioritized the avenues for speed, and more evenly distributed traffic through the city onto the practically empty 2-lane streets in the area. With both solutions in place, traffic through the city centre is back to being extremely low.  Heck, you can barely see much traffic on the new bypass route, it's mostly trucks and vans, but it's taken just enough load off the city centre intersections to totally fix flow. Surface intersections quickly hit a critical mass of traffic where they really start to jam up.
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Is there a way in the vanilla game to have an offramp / merging lane onto a street (ie an avenue or 3 lane both ways street) without it creating a solid intersection where cars will stop and wait for an opening to turn left onto opposing traffic? Or, in other words, there's no way to limit or disable left-hand turns in the base game without resorting to using a lot of 1-way 2-lane roads, is there? Is this something that traffic extensions PE can adress?
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Traffic president or what even it's called will fix that up for you but the Avenue will still be visually open. You can place some divider props in there though to make it look like left turns are impossible but now you are using move it and prop line tool and dehumanizing your self to face to plopshed. It's as simple as this here's your avenue with a ramp coming in, obviously you want it to just merge with the right lane and not become a full intersection with left turns.  So, just open up traffic president and either just turn off the left arrow on the ramp, or go into the lane connector and manually connect the lanes like so. You'll see the road arrow changes too.  Someone has made better props, but with what I had on hand I blocked off the intersection visually. 
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I just bought this game for the PS4 and I'm having lots of fun. It's the city builder I've been wanting for years. But is it possible to 'lose'? I've been doing sub-optimal stuff as it's still my first town but I'm raking in a ton of money and my citizens are happy. John F Bennett fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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John F Bennett posted:But is it possible to 'lose'? I've been doing sub-optimal stuff as it's still my first town but I'm raking in a ton of money and my citizens are happy. Yes? Kind of? A bit? It's not a hard game, not by any stretch, but sometimes you CAN gently caress up your city very quickly, in ways that are usually hilarious but ultimately reversible. For instance: as my new city grew bigger and bigger, I studiously placed more and more water pumps for my thirsty citizens, to the point that the pumps were sucking up water so fast, the flow of the river actually reversed. This was a bad thing because downriver a ways was my sewage runoff pipe... I was fiddling around with designing an overpass, and then suddenly noticed that 90% of my city was sick for some reason. By the time I realized that they were all drinking human excrement, half my city was dead. What followed was an hour of hearse traffic jams and abandoned buildings. You can't actually "lose", but when you sorta do lose, it will usually be for some really dumb, highly amusing reason. And that's another example of why this game is good.
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That sounds interesting! Are there any other examples of unexpectedness such as this? I'm also anxiously awaiting the Disasters DLC for similar reasons.
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John F Bennett posted:That sounds interesting! Are there any other examples of unexpectedness such as this? Yes.
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Half shameless plug, half honest question: I made this Stonehenge-like park asset. I used an ugly ground prop to try to mimic old broken up pavement, but I'm not totally happy with it. Are there dirt/concrete brushes besides this one that aren't the perfect squares of tile brushes? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1206500004
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I've got a question about poo (never thought i'd type that). Do you absolutely have to place drains on water? If so, can you place those drains, then remove or channel the water to make a poo river? I'm thinking of making a city powered by a lovely dam.
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dogstile posted:I've got a question about poo (never thought i'd type that). The Poo-ver Dam, as it were.
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dogstile posted:I've got a question about poo (never thought i'd type that). You can also place them on canals. But otherwise yes the game won't let you place them unless there's water there. But you can plop a short section of canal on a slope and then just flood a little basin with poo, delete the canal and move the outflow to your new poo lake.
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Mine is hopefully going to be a huge poo river. Multi tiered if I can help it.
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dogstile posted:Mine is hopefully going to be a huge poo river. Multi tiered if I can help it. Once your gravy waterfall is big enough, build some hotels around it. Could be a great honeymoon destination for newlyweds.
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Goredema posted:Once your gravy waterfall is big enough, build some hotels around it. Could be a great honeymoon destination for newlyweds. "Right this way sir, I'll lead you to the honeydipper suite." "Um, don't you mean the Honeymoon suite?" "...No."
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You can place sewage/drainage outlets wherever you want, the game just gives you a warning that it isn't in a good location if you place them on land, since poop will begin to pool all around it. Very handy, though, if you have already filled up the 9 tiles max, you can stick them all on the corner of the map, build a berm around them so the poop doesn't float towards your city, and be content with a huge expanding lagoon outside your city limits. Also, strangely enough, the game does not factor in gravity in pumping costs, so a bunch of sewage outlets pumping and feeding the poo-ver dam will net you a positive increase in electricity. Lastly, you can use unconnected intake pumps to create draw to help with your dam's water flow... Good luck!
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Goredema posted:Once your gravy waterfall is big enough, build some hotels around it. Could be a great honeymoon destination for newlyweds. *clicks the Marina button like a man possessed*
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None of my hospitals have any patients. I'm spending money on you people, go break a leg or lick a power outlet or something!!
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So I looked at a bunch of the OP resources and they seemed comically out of date for the most part so I'm just going to ask here. I've been really struggling with traffic, got the mods to mess with traffic lights and figured out a few basics but once I reach like 20k-30k everything just clogs to hell and I just can't figure out how to fix it. Is there anything decent and current on how to get traffic off the highway and into the city?
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:So I looked at a bunch of the OP resources and they seemed comically out of date for the most part so I'm just going to ask here. There's some real general rule of thumb advise that makes a ton of assumptions on how you build your city and your goals, but to give proper advice we'd need some pics. I've found messing around with lights pretty useless and confusing, while the lane-connector tool in traffic manager can solve a LOT of issues.
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Baronjutter posted:There's some real general rule of thumb advise that makes a ton of assumptions on how you build your city and your goals, but to give proper advice we'd need some pics. Sorry, totally blanked on those. I'll get some pictures from my biggest cities when I get back to my gaming PC.
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How difficult is it to customise assets/ploppables? I've got a bajillion mods and custom assets and whatever but some of them have weird attributes, like harbour walls that double as parks, cranes the double as parks and other things that generate/require electricity for some reason. I have a drydock that needs workers, but I just want it for the visuals, etc. I'd really like to be able to tweak their stats while keeping the visual component, but my last attempt at changing a ploppable somehow made all of my electricity producers provide water instead or something.
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