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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Tevery Best posted:

No, it's "either we have it or nobody will".

I understood that correctly, but they don't really have any way of preventing others moving in after they all die?

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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Truga posted:

I understood that correctly, but they don't really have any way of preventing others moving in after they all die?

High concentration of toxic pollution that's really hard to get rid off.


So, like what China is doing to itself.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
China is working really hard at that and they'll at best ruin a few % of its landmass, earth is pretty loving big. Also nobody is buying poisonous poo poo from Poland, so they can't afford to excavate it :v:

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012

Truga posted:

No, see, what will happen is the arab people will gently caress everything up and turn it into a wasteland desert, same as what happened with their previous home. Which we certainly didn't have anything to do with :pseudo:

The prevailing opinion among Poles is precisely that they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
I don't think Poland had much to do with western imperialism, seeing as it didn't exist at the time

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Cat Mattress posted:

So Russia or perhaps Kazakhstan has let rip a big ruthenium-106 fart.


It's not believed to come from a nuclear power plant because other radioactive elements haven't been found.

The articles I read said it was probably a "oops" at a reprocessing facility.

Which wasn't very reassuring.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

steinrokkan posted:

I don't think Poland had much to do with western imperialism, seeing as it didn't exist at the time

They actually tried, they just weren't very competent at it. Poland couldn't into colonies; just like it can't into space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_attempts_by_Poland

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Meanwhile

https://twitter.com/opendemocracyru/status/928292151657627648

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.e9201060a148

quote:

The seven survey questions — each one essentially asking “Do you agree with this?” — are preceded by what could only be construed as leading, if not negative statements about the supposed Soros plan.

  • George Soros wants to convince Brussels to resettle at least one million immigrants from Africa and the Middle East annually on the territory of the European Union, including Hungary as well.
  • George Soros, together with leaders in Brussels, also plan to have the member states of the E.U., including Hungary, take down the border protection fences and open the borders for immigrants.
  • It is part of the Soros plan that Brussels redistributes immigrants gathered in Western European countries on a mandatory basis, referring in particular to Eastern European countries. Hungary would be required to take part in this as well.
  • Based on the Soros plan, Brussels should require every member state, including Hungary, to pay 9 million HUF (Hungarian currency equivalent to around $30,000) in mandatory state aid for every immigrant.
  • George Soros would also like to see migrants receive lighter sentences for the crimes they commit.
  • The goal of the Soros plan is to diminish the importance of the language and culture of European countries to make the integration of illegal immigrants happen sooner.
  • It is part of the Soros plan to launch political attacks on countries objecting to immigration and impose strict penalties on them.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

steinrokkan posted:

I don't think Poland had much to do with western imperialism, seeing as it didn't exist at the time

They're in NATO now, you can't just take the good and ignore the bad. :rip:

https://twitter.com/Bart_Wielinski/status/929796225959907329

This also seems pretty hosed up.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Russia has a bunch of posters warning its military not to use social media:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2948656.html

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/930372590987857920

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

The Russian MoD just published evidence of the US working with ISIS

https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/930375703928983553

Unfortunately at least one of the images is from a mobile phone game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clL9yZSbcE0

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Haha they never learn, do they. Although there seemed to be a secret deal to let ISIS out of Raqqa that US approved despite Mattis earlier saying that no fighters would be left to return to their countries. But then it's on the front page of BBC so...

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Yeah, that appears to be true, so no idea why Russia felt the need to illustrate it with screenshots from video games, and now what appears to be at least two videos from Iraq 2016:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8332HAX_04

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/terrorism/iraqi-army-aviation-decimate-isis-convoys/5021631506001

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
This is a major rollback from their earlier claims that Americans were peacefully directing ISIS garrisons away from SDF frontlines in the middle of the race to Deir Ez Zor. The Raqqa ISIS evacuation deal is not a secret, it has been announced by Kurd officials, and it is a direct mirror of the tactic Assad and Russia have repeatedly deployed throughout their campaigns.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

I must admit, concentrated fascism looks beautiful from a distance.

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006


A gaping hole in the state budget of Estonia, which absolutely nobody saw coming. In the government anyway.
blue = predicted, prediction for 2017 dates back one year.
red = reality (2017 - government's updated prediction from June)
green = prediction by alcohol producers

black = collected so far in 9 months of 2017. Therefore we need another 77 million EUR in last 3 months of 2017 to meet the most negative prediction. : D

Also the freshly elected Tallinn city council is shamelessly paying bonuses for themselves for, and here's an actual quote: "for receiving many votes in last elections". Also, for example a former deputy mayor is now the speaker of the council or whatever. Therefore he lost his previous job and gets 3 months worth of salary for that.

Bleh.

edit: one rationale for raising alcohol excises is to reduce consumption of alcohol. I bet they are starting from the wrong place. It's a social problem.

jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 18, 2017

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Zudgemud posted:

I must admit, concentrated fascism looks beautiful from a distance.

Only because it looks like they're all on fire.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

jonnypeh posted:



A gaping hole in the state budget of Estonia, which absolutely nobody saw coming. In the government anyway.
blue = predicted, prediction for 2017 dates back one year.
red = reality (2017 - government's updated prediction from June)
green = prediction by alcohol producers

black = collected so far in 9 months of 2017. Therefore we need another 77 million EUR in last 3 months of 2017 to meet the most negative prediction. : D
How..how large a percentage of total taxes does taxes on alcohol represent? Is the shortfall entirely based on an inability to collect this tax plus a drop in alcohol sales, or are there more gently caress-ups going on?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Happy Independence Day to all two fellow Latvians on this forums. :toot:

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006

A Buttery Pastry posted:

How..how large a percentage of total taxes does taxes on alcohol represent? Is the shortfall entirely based on an inability to collect this tax plus a drop in alcohol sales, or are there more gently caress-ups going on?

Between 3 and 4 percent and apparently it's pretty much the same as in Finland. The drop in sales happened because alcohol is cheaper in Latvia. Tallink even started a cruise line from Helsinki to Riga. We've talked about this here before, anyway.

I'm not really bothered by the price of alcohol. I don't drink any. More bothered by our current government dragging us to budget deficit because even with decreased revenue they're determined to do a lot more public spending next year.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
To what degree is this revenue problem being painted as a symptom of integration with the nefarious EU?

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...

Discendo Vox posted:

To what degree is this revenue problem being painted as a symptom of integration with the nefarious EU?

None whatsoever. If you´d want to blame a singlular thing, then you already have a social minister, who loudly pushes for higher alcohol prices in order to reduce consumption.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/931480047503933445

I never knew Kadyrov and Basayev hung out. This isn't long after Basayev returned victorious from Budyonnovsk.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Volkerball posted:

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/931480047503933445

I never knew Kadyrov and Basayev hung out. This isn't long after Basayev returned victorious from Budyonnovsk.

Kadyrov was a tribal warlord with a price on his loyalty, not a saint. He's only where he is because of his talents at suppressing unrest and rallying Muslims.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Kadyrov* was a tribal warlord with a price on his loyalty, not a saint. He's** only where he is because of his talents at suppressing unrest and rallying Muslims.

*the older/dad
**daddy warlord and his son

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Zudgemud posted:

*the older/dad
**daddy warlord and his son

I'm talking about about Ramzan Kadryov's love affairs with Yamadaev, Kakiev, and Alkhanov, not the early 2nd Chechen War. And his contemporary role in Russian Islam.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
If you read the text it's pretty hardcore, Kadyrov Sr. declares jihad on Russia and then says "sure it's a problem that there are only 1 million of us and 150 million Russians, but each Chechen just has to kill 150 Russians and we'll win."

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

jonnypeh posted:

edit: one rationale for raising alcohol excises is to reduce consumption of alcohol. I bet they are starting from the wrong place. It's a social problem.
Sin taxes are a neolib's favorite, you get to screw over the poor without having to admit to doing so.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Happy Independence Day to all two fellow Latvians on this forums. :toot:
Thanks! Got to listen to my parent's hot takes over the military parade and then played boardgames for 16 hours straight, so holidays well spent.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Ah, familial hot takes on the military parade. Mine was more of the same, a 10 minute failed state tirade that began with Austrian howitzers. At least we agreed that it is better for Latvia to buy howitzers from someone competent, than make them on our own.

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006

Arzachel posted:

Sin taxes are a neolib's favorite, you get to screw over the poor without having to admit to doing so.
...

I'm not even exactly sure how this government aligns themselves ideologically. It's a coalition of center party, social democrats and mainstream nationalists.

This tax is pushed by a social democrat. Which on second thought is not surprising, considering that Nordic countries have had social democrats in power forever and they tax alcohol way more than we do, and some have state monopoly on sale of alcohol.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

vyelkin posted:

If you read the text it's pretty hardcore, Kadyrov Sr. declares jihad on Russia and then says "sure it's a problem that there are only 1 million of us and 150 million Russians, but each Chechen just has to kill 150 Russians and we'll win."

Chechen culture in the 90's is really fascinating. I remember a documentary around this time that interviewed Basayev and some other people, and my favorite story was of this battlefield where this Russian mercenary dude locked down a road or something for a couple days. The Chechens had to work hard to kill him and secure the area. They were proud when they finally took him down, so they cut his head off and paraded it around a bit to celebrate, like you do. The dude being interviewed is sitting there explaining this story and he's like "it's out of respect. If he died easy we would've just left his body there, but he gave us a good fight, so we wanted his head to celebrate." And you're just left there wondering what century these loving guys are from.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
That's straight up how some people act in multiplayer games. Collecting corpses of notorious enemies in eve online and similar.

But it's IRL :cripes:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Truga posted:

That's straight up how some people act in multiplayer games. Collecting corpses of notorious enemies in eve online and similar.

But it's IRL :cripes:

Hey, at least Basayev didn't teabag him on the video.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
There is no clean conflict, in the WWII American soldiers stole innumerable Japanese skulls, they sometimes cleaned them by tying severed heads to a line that was dragged behind a boat until all the soft tissues fell off. Sometimes they sent skulls to their families back in the States as a souvenir.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




steinrokkan posted:

There is no clean conflict, in the WWII American soldiers stole innumerable Japanese skulls, they sometimes cleaned them by tying severed heads to a line that was dragged behind a boat until all the soft tissues fell off. Sometimes they sent skulls to their families back in the States as a souvenir.

It's not news that Americans have no culture.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

cinci zoo sniper posted:

It's not news that Americans have no culture.

Especially not Eastern European news.

For content, here's an overview of the documentary I was talking about. I'm gonna have to track it down. It's one of my all time favorites.

http://combatfilms.com/phone/immortal-fortress.html

Volkerball fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Nov 21, 2017

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


Something's happening in Luhansk I guess?

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/932927775643709440

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-luhansk/ukraine-rebel-leader-accuses-sacked-ally-of-staging-revolt-idUSKBN1DL1I5?il=0

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013





Articles I'm seeing claims that the "unknown" Urals with DPR "spetsnaz" are just LPR "MoIA" anti-terrorism drills. They have allegedly blocked the access to administrative buildings, and let go of "government" and "parliament".

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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
They're "from" Donetsk.
https://twitter.com/OSCE_SMM/status/933053764038266883

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