Uncle Wemus posted:

Do they know who Comcast and Verizon is

Kilmers Elbow posted:

chinos.....lots of chinos

Ague Proof posted:

They trigger the libs.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Office Pig posted:

i don’t know what kind of emotion he’s trying to provoke but it worked i think

Uncle Wemus posted:

Do they know who Comcast and Verizon is

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

here's a panel from the NPI conference. RIP your recommendations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7CJtEHgeI

listening and there's a lot of about their various adventures. it's kind of interesting in that spencer loves the opposition to him (attention) and it definitely comes across as him chasing an adrenaline rush. 'and then i had police escort me into the building! that never happened before! wow!' that kind of thing.

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There is yet another aspect to the cultural strategy of the new left, and this is the transformation of political identity at the individual level
in the context of small "consciousness-raising" groups. This approach, largely but not exclusively identified with the women's movement, involved bringing unconscious cultural assumptions to awareness in order to free the individual from oppression in personal life. Social roles were particular targets of attack, on the assumption that the domination introjected along with the roles could only be fought when the roles themselves were consciously contested.

https://www.sfu.ca/~andrewf/books/Paths_to_Failure_RacePoliticsCulture.pdf

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For many in the movement, its ostensible goal of social change was never a primary preoccupation in any case: the movement was so weak, the prospect of real revolution so dim, the actual achievements of political activism so difficult to compass that the mere existence of the movement became more important to many of its members than any political objective. The scene of the revolution shifted from society at large to the movement itself, where individuals could have an immediate effect on their surroundings through grasping and manipulating the movement's own codes of behavior. These codes made the pursuit of revolutionary purity a respected role through which personal desires for accomplishment and status frustrated in the larger society could be fulfilled.

In the course of making endlessly involuted revolutions within revolutions, the movement's perceptions of the political as an autonomous sphere of social reality grew increasingly dim. Activists tended less and less to measure their actions by their real effects, and more and more sought to conform to symbolic archetypes drawn from the history of revolutions, which came to signify power magically through association with it in theory or in other times and places. Internal movement struggle over the choice of archetypes replaced politically oriented social struggle.

Finally, the most compelling contest in which the movement was engaged placed it not in conflict with the state or the ruling groups but with itself. It was in such an environment that cultural action turned inward and destroyed the movement. Through sectarianism and ultraleftism the individuals could transform their own personal self-definition, if not the world around them.

Business Gorillas posted:

the dude who posted that didn't out anyone, whoever made that image and posted that on 4chan did

edit: also lmao gently caress these people when they'd gleefully harass LGBT people in the drop of a hat. people that refuse to give sympathy don't deserve any

Zeroisanumber posted:

If you think I'll blanch at using literally any tactic against these people you're badly mistaken.

Tias posted:

gently caress, my bad I thought they put out the pics themselves.


Oh I believe you, you just don't understand the consequences. A society reflects the means used to achieve it, if outing queer people is an acceptable tactic it's an acceptable tactic, and it's going to be around long after the nazis are defeated.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

they reject taking a 'long march through the institutions' as the crisis is too imminent. the focus instead should be to "raise the consciousness of the people"

i can understand that.

https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/933079910855446528
on the other hand

CharlestheHammer posted:

lol someone unironically using the slippery slope argument

failing forward posted:

Wait isn't this just a rehashing and rebranding of "the personal is political," a feminist idea?

Tias posted:

Prefigurativity of tactics isn't slippery slope, I'm sorry understanding basic civic science terms are too hard for you.

For instance, violent tactics are perfectly fine against nazis because a) societal monopolies on violence are often if not usually on their side and b) violence, particularly in self-defense, is not a necessarily bad trait for a society to have.

Outing people to target them for trans/bi/homophobic harassment is bad, even against nazis, because you reinforce the notion that being non-binary/hetero should make you a target for harassment, which is a particularly lovely trait to have remaning in society even after nazis are destroyed.

Tias posted:

Prefigurativity of tactics isn't slippery slope, I'm sorry understanding basic civic science terms are too hard for you.

For instance, violent tactics are perfectly fine against nazis because a) societal monopolies on violence are often if not usually on their side and b) violence, particularly in self-defense, is not a necessarily bad trait for a society to have.

Outing people to target them for trans/bi/homophobic harassment is bad, even against nazis, because you reinforce the notion that being non-binary/hetero should make you a target for harassment, which is a particularly lovely trait to have remaning in society even after nazis are destroyed.

CharlestheHammer posted:

you can dress it up how you like but it's still dumb as gently caress.

Inescapable Duck posted:

Not to mention possibly reinforcing the idea that liberal or leftist allies will throw LBGT people under the bus the moment they're not entirely convenient.

Tias posted:

I forgot who you were for a moment, sorry. Go yell at clouds, I hear they'll fight you for free.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

they reject taking a 'long march through the institutions' as the crisis is too imminent. the focus instead should be to "raise the consciousness of the people"

i can understand that.

https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/933079910855446528
on the other hand

rudatron posted:

I usually respect corey, but this is a misreading - the defense of franken has 100% been motivated by practical political considerations, not some stupid private/public distinction on the part of his defenders.

rudatron posted:

that's not the issue, the point is the public image of left/liberals overall. that he can be replaced directly isn't much of a concern.

rudatron posted:

it's also damaging, because the charges around roy moore get to be deflected by interested parties, through your standard tu quoque

rudatron posted:

Weiner is not Franken, weiner hosed up constantly and wasn't ever really at the political center of any democratic party wing. Franken is a big fish. it's different.

Office Pig posted:

i don’t know what kind of emotion he’s trying to provoke but it worked i think

BONGHITZ posted:

why do all the men take videos of themselves exercising?

Ague Proof posted:

Legitimately insane.