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Tuxedo Catfish posted:That's not what we're talking about in the context of Brad Bird's favorite theme, though. We're talking about gatekeeping and management putting their foot down and saying "no." Obviously that's a sensible thing to do from a variety of perspectives -- financial and "minimize the amount of mouse porn in the world" among them -- but it's not unreasonable to say that yeah, that can also be pretty stifling. That's the great thing about living in post-Kickstarter/Patreon world, it unshackled artists from management and showed the world that left to their own devices they still make tons of derivative crap only with a much better chance it'll never get finished. And fans get to experience firsthand how frustrating it is when the people you're funding are massively past deadline and are still burning money because they just have to have the Korean sweatshop that's doing all the actual animation do it on paper for the ~authentic feel~.
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Guy Mann posted:That's the great thing about living in post-Kickstarter/Patreon world, it unshackled artists from management and showed the world that left to their own devices they still make tons of derivative crap only with a much better chance it'll never get finished. And fans get to experience firsthand how frustrating it is when the people you're funding are massively past deadline and are still burning money because they just have to have the Korean sweatshop that's doing all the actual animation do it on paper for the ~authentic feel~. I mean, I haven't kickstarted many animated features (I might've contributed to Kick-Heart, but honestly I forget) but I'm perfectly happy with this trade-off in the realm of video and traditional games.
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I would say the film's pretty alright until they actually reach Tomorrowland (and that includes the kid George Clooney scenes). And the scene with Keegan Michael-Key is kinda weird conceptually. The thing that makes me sad is that the doomsday weapon crisis in tomorrowland is a great idea, like reverse Toynbee Convector story, but the plot of the movie sort of muddles it out so it has no impact and a good idea for a story seems kinda who cares.
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Nov 21, 2017 04:46
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I liked Cars 3. I suppose that isn't a surprise, given that I also liked Cars 2, despite nobody liking Cars 2. Kinda saw where they were going with the climax way ahead of time. Also kind of confused on whether or not McQueen is still racing, or if he's the guy on the mic for Cruz, since the ending kind of explicitly stated both, but wouldn't that be two contradictory roles? Kind of hard to do the mic job if you're also on the track at the same time. Still, it was a pretty thoughtful look on the twilight years of fame - expanding Doc Hudson's story to a whole movie by forcing McQueen through the same situation was a pretty good (if maybe a bit obvious) way to go, and certainly the sequel Cars actually deserved (rather than the spy movie schitck Cars 2 was going for).
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Shadow Hog posted:since the ending kind of explicitly stated both I think it was intentionally wishy washy because no one wanted to say if there was going to be a cars 4
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Nov 21, 2017 13:41
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https://twitter.com/thr/status/933064790318223360 If you were wondering who’s next on the harasser list.
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Nov 21, 2017 21:24
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Soup du Jour posted:https://twitter.com/thr/status/933064790318223360 A guy who loves anime and wears nothing but Hawaiian shirts, who could have possibly seen this coming.
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Soup du Jour posted:https://twitter.com/thr/status/933064790318223360 quote:I especially want to apologize to anyone who has ever been on the receiving end of an unwanted hug or any other gesture they felt crossed the line in any way, shape, or form. No matter how benign my intent, everyone has the right to set their own boundaries and have them respected.
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Nov 21, 2017 21:42
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Rashida Jones is the accuser as well. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-lasseters-pattern-alleged-misconduct-detailed-by-disney-pixar-insiders-1059594 quote:
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Ccs posted:Gonna quote Mark Mayerson again, this time on The Incredibles and Brad Bird: Bird is a success in part because he keeps coming back to the idea incredibly popular among mediocrities that they're actually repressed geniuses who only haven't accomplished Great Things because The Man is keeping them down, where The Man could be literally any authority or other being placing demands on their time. Its power should sort of be indicated by how a guy at the absolute top of his industry with more freedom to exercise his creative energies than just about anyone in his chosen field ever had keeps coming back to the same goddamned subject. This isn't particularly "Randian", though it's a basic conceit underpinning right-libertarianism generally, it's a private fantasy millions of people share and if you cater to it they will buy your poo poo in the same way you can move books by writing about bored American women going on vacation and getting swept off their feet by stoic but passionate men with exotic features and a forgotten claim to nobility and/or lycanthropy. Pick posted:"Let artists create whatever they want" sounds good until you open Tezuka's desk and see all the porn of mouse women. let Tezuka create whatever he wants A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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Nov 21, 2017 22:19
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Ugh, why are men so gross? It's really sickening how pervasive the problem is. The creator of Rurouni Kenshin got busted for possessing child porn too, it seems like it's year you have to hope no one you like is in reality a gross bastard. Robindaybird fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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Nov 21, 2017 22:36
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Robindaybird posted:Ugh, why are men so gross? It's really sickening how pervasive the problem is. This and Lasseter (and Animal Crossing!) constituted the majority of work lunch discussion. My coworkers are way more experienced in the industry than myself and seemed to know the Lasseter domino was soon to fall. Another big name was mentioned, so I'm curious to see if it breaks soon. I just really don't wanna know anything about someone who made something I like anymore. I'm having a hell of a time separating all these artists from their art. 
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Nov 22, 2017 01:25
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I did it with Tom Cruise years back due to Scientology. You can, too. Maybe.
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Nov 22, 2017 01:32
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I liked The Pianist so well I pushed goddamn Polanski out of my head. It's just gotten to be a lot of people to deal with. I hate that everyone is a monster. Too many monsters.
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Soup du Jour posted:https://twitter.com/thr/status/933064790318223360 lol fuckin john lasseter now 
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Whoever asked about other big names, there are at least seven current Hollywood sexual abuse investigations underway according to a fairly high-up journalist, and they specifically noted that number is conservative, so whoever it is it's probably going to happen. As far as Lasseter himself... I'm not really surprised. Everything about the weirdo publicly, in retrospect, was weird and kinda obvious now. The bigger issue for me is he's the driving force behind Disney for what, the last decade? The serial harasser's directly had his thumbs in dozens of pies in that time, many of which I hold near and dear to my heart. Time to reassess what they mean to me in light of the pain he's caused others. And what happens to those projects when the abuser gets put out to pasture and someone else needs to step in? The creep was drat good at leading an animation studio. If another name I've heard floating around gets dropped, Disney's future is going to become very uncertain very fast. At the same time it makes a hell of a lot more sense why Pixar always had problems with writing heroines and having women as directors and high-up writers. CRINDY fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 03:41
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Maybe people will finally admit how creepy Inside Out's paternalism is now.
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I guess we'll see how much influence Lasseter had if Disney's quality suddenly falls of a cliff. Still more than worth it to make Hollywood a less creepy place.
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Rashida Jones made a statement saying that she did not leave Toy Story 4 because of an unwanted advance from John Lasseter. Honestly, her rebuttal is way more damning of the culture at Pixar generally:quote:We feel like we have been put in a position where we need to speak for ourselves. The break neck speed at which journalists have been naming the next perpetrator renders some reporting irresponsible and, in fact, counterproductive for the people who do want to tell their stories. In this instance, The Hollywood Reporter does not speak for us. We did not leave Pixar because of unwanted advances. That is untrue. That said, we are happy to see people speaking out about behavior that made them uncomfortable. As for us, we parted ways because of creative and, more importantly, philosophical differences.
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Guy Mann posted:Maybe people will finally admit how creepy Inside Out's paternalism is now. The father's driving emotion is Anger, but somehow he is portrayed as perfectly rational 
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As much as I hate that this poo poo happened, I'm extremely glad people are being called out for it. I don't care if it brings down all of Hollywood, I hope all the tinsel-winged angels get pulled down to earth.
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Pick posted:The father's driving emotion is Anger, but somehow he is portrayed as perfectly rational Haha yeah and the mom is a depressive apparently. I feel like most people are driven by love and/or obligation which the movie's cosmology can't really account for.
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This gives that time Lassetter held up Byron Howard like Simba for proposing Savage Seas (i.e.: Zootopia) a rather different look, dunnit? I mean, it'd be more drastic of a shift were Byron not a man, but still.
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I've gotta say, the signs have probably always been there for Pixar being a very insular place to work. They had a group of guys who directed pretty much every major feature in the first 18 years of their existence and there's a pattern of people co-directing or being hired to direct, sometimes being taken off the project and then leaving the company shortly afterwards to very reduced career opportunities. Ash Brannon was a co-director of Toy Story 2, which was his last project at Pixar, and in the time since then the only major credits he's had are co-directing Surf's Up and directing Rock Dog, which came out in 2007 and 2016 respectively. David Silverman co-directed Monsters Inc. and doesn't have a single other credit at Pixar. He was an important Simpsons animator and directed The Simpsons Movie so his career would be less likely to suffer if he left Pixar on bad terms. Jan Pinkava directed Geri's Game and was the original director on Ratatouille before he was replaced with Brad Bird and left the company shortly after, and aside from working on a LAIKA movie that never materialized he hasn't had any feature credits since then. Chapman is the most recent example, getting taken off of Brave and replaced with Mark Andrews, who was brought in with Brad Bird during the making of Incredibles. All of these with the exception of Chapman happened prior to Pixar being fully absorbed by Disney, so it's possible the increasingly corporate atmosphere combined with Lasseter moving far up the chain alleviated some of the problems that existed in Pixar's early days, but based on Rashida Jones' comments I doubt it. The only female director they've ever had got booted off the project, and the only non-white dudes with feature co-director credits are from the last few years (Ronnie del Carmen on Inside Out and now Adrian Molina on Coco) and all of the upcoming movies are going to be directed by white guys too. I haven't done a survey of all of the major animated studios but I bet this is a pattern that extends out to all of them. Disney's first female director was Jennifer Lee on Frozen and she's going to be directing Frozen 2 as well, but she's the only non-white guy feature director in Disney's history. woo white guys i guess.
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For all that people complain about "SJWs", the fact that white men direct mainstream animated films is rarely challenged, and only by the very most obstinate souls, many of whom (such as Chapman) admit that they have given up the fight.
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Pete Doctor will probably replace Lasseter. Pixar/Disney will endure but as to what can happen with these projects, that animated show Louis C.K. was doing got scuttled and everyone got to look for new jobs.
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wuffles posted:Pete Doctor will probably replace Lasseter. Pixar/Disney will endure but as to what can happen with these projects, that animated show Louis C.K. was doing got scuttled and everyone got to look for new jobs. I love Pete Docter and think he's a great director and (god i hope) a great human being generally, but I really, really think they should not go back to the Pixar well for another leader. Either take someone from inside WDAS or an outside hire. Joke answer: what's Chris Sanders up to these days?
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I was helping clear out some offices and whoever had been working there previously had left a whole bunch of random poo poo behind including this: If we had a Kris Kringle gift exchange in this thread one of you guys would have definitely received this in the mail. 
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Pick posted:Hey remember when artists got almost totally free rein on Kingdom of the Sun and it was obviously going to completely suck and then got retooled into a movie everyone likes? They cut Yzma's song. No, I don't care that it doesn't go with the movie.
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DC Murderverse posted:I've gotta say, the signs have probably always been there for Pixar being a very insular place to work. They had a group of guys who directed pretty much every major feature in the first 18 years of their existence and there's a pattern of people co-directing or being hired to direct, sometimes being taken off the project and then leaving the company shortly afterwards to very reduced career opportunities. Ash Brannon was a co-director of Toy Story 2, which was his last project at Pixar, and in the time since then the only major credits he's had are co-directing Surf's Up and directing Rock Dog, which came out in 2007 and 2016 respectively. David Silverman co-directed Monsters Inc. and doesn't have a single other credit at Pixar. He was an important Simpsons animator and directed The Simpsons Movie so his career would be less likely to suffer if he left Pixar on bad terms. Jan Pinkava directed Geri's Game and was the original director on Ratatouille before he was replaced with Brad Bird and left the company shortly after, and aside from working on a LAIKA movie that never materialized he hasn't had any feature credits since then. Chapman is the most recent example, getting taken off of Brave and replaced with Mark Andrews, who was brought in with Brad Bird during the making of Incredibles. You can trace almost all of this back to Walt Disney being so staunchly anti-union and pro-business. Like, to this very day Disney and Pixar pay their workers noticeably less than their competitors.
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Wonder if this Lassetar thing has anything to do with why Brave's release was so messed up.
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DC Murderverse posted:I love Pete Docter and think he's a great director and (god i hope) a great human being generally, but I really, really think they should not go back to the Pixar well for another leader. Either take someone from inside WDAS or an outside hire. He's the right Lasseter replacement, but in short what they need is a voice in the senior leadership reminiscent of Steve Jobs and what he brought to the studio. They have a great pool of creative talent, what they need is a mad-man (or woman) with a vision of what the studio will be in 10-20 years and the force of will to see it through.
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But Steve Jobs was an rear end in a top hat. I think they had enough assholes in charge.
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Robindaybird posted:But Steve Jobs was an rear end in a top hat. I think they had enough assholes in charge. He was, and importantly, he was the kind of rear end in a top hat who wasn’t afraid to tell the shareholders and Disney execs to gently caress off—it didn’t matter how many movies a year Dreamworks was doing, 1/year was the right pace for Pixar’s films; they weren’t interested in cranking out formulaic sequels with guaranteed revenues when they had so many new stories to tell. Walt was an rear end in a top hat too.
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wuffles posted:He was, and importantly, he was the kind of rear end in a top hat who wasn’t afraid to tell the shareholders and Disney execs to gently caress off—it didn’t matter how many movies a year Dreamworks was doing, 1/year was the right pace for Pixar’s films; they weren’t interested in cranking out formulaic sequels with guaranteed revenues when they had so many new stories to tell. I'm having a hard time seeing how you're missing the point this hard. Yes, Walt was an rear end in a top hat too. The movies weren't worth it. It's time for that era to end.
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I don't like the implication that an rear end in a top hat genius is something to be encouraged and welcomed.
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LOL if you think the problem is specific bad actors and not the system that enables/creates them. I mean, yeah, fire the assorted shitheads. But without structural change we’ll be right back here in a decade or two.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I don't like the implication that an rear end in a top hat genius is something to be encouraged and welcomed. I mean, frankly, if it turns out that there's a correlation between assholes and geniuses, I think that our response to that should be discouraging geniuses, not encouraging assholes.
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