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Remember when Will Muschamp came to UF and wanted to hire a handpicked offensive coordinator, but the boosters forced him to hire a waddling gunt name Charlie Weis instead? That was great.
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Hey now, we had a decided schematic advantage every week
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Nov 22, 2017 17:39
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I hope A&M blows their next hire because it's ridiculous for Aggy to expect better than 8 wins year in and year out in the West.
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Nov 22, 2017 17:39
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LLCoolJD posted:I don't understand why any AD would dictate what staff an incoming coach would be required to hire. If true, that's a colossal piece of stupidity by UF. I can see it if the previous coach left for reasons unrelated to on field performance and the fanbase is satisfied with how things are going, although usually they promote someone internally in that case.
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Nov 22, 2017 17:54
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Big Piece O poo poo posted:Remember when Will Muschamp came to UF and wanted to hire a handpicked offensive coordinator, but the boosters forced him to hire a waddling gunt name Charlie Weis instead? That was great. Has that ever been confirmed or was it a rumor? Also, you don't tell someone with as much success as Kelly how to run a program. Or anyone. If you're going to hand someone the keys you really need to let them succeed or fail on their own decisions. loving bullshit.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:10
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Kim Jong Il posted:He's not an rear end in a top hat and he's a really bad coach. He's a good program builder, but he is such a horrific fit for there. Lol LeeMajors posted:Has that ever been confirmed or was it a rumor? I know he’s said a few times that he wished he’d hired Roper from the start and that it would have saved his job but I’ve never seen the story that weis was forced on him. MourningView fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 19:11
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LeeMajors posted:Has that ever been confirmed or was it a rumor? It feels weird to say this but Weis as an offensive coordinator was probably This is obviously all hilarious in retrospect.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:20
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Grittybeard posted:It feels weird to say this but Weis as an offensive coordinator was probably Yeah, I remember it being considered a 'home run hire.' I never heard any of the "poor Muschamp couldn't pick his own staff!  "
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Nov 22, 2017 19:25
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I had very high hopes for Weis. How could you not? He was a wildly successful NFL offensive coordinator.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:29
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nachos posted:I had very high hopes for Weis. How could you not? He was a wildly successful NFL offensive coordinator. Watching UF go into the half down to Furman in 2011, I had no idea it was a preamble to such offensive dysfunction.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:31
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I bet Weis fukken destroyed at the Gator Dining hall.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:34
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Mike_V posted:I hope A&M blows their next hire because it's ridiculous for Aggy to expect better than 8 wins year in and year out in the West. Same. But to be fair I hope every single program other than the one I support whiffs on their next hire.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:39
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My thoughts at the time were basically: "Muschamp and Weis, a defensive genius and an offensive genius, what could go wrong!"
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Nov 22, 2017 19:42
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Well, I for one welcome this new world where Florida is basically a mid-major.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:44
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nachos posted:I had very high hopes for Weis. How could you not? He was a wildly successful NFL offensive coordinator. OCs come and go, but Tom Brady remains the same
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Nov 22, 2017 19:51
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Randaconda posted:Well, I for one welcome this new world where Florida is basically a mid-major.  Also Ohio State delenda est.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:03
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Florida isn't a top 10 job. Top 20, yeah, but not top 10.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:12
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Raku posted:Florida isn't a top 10 job. Top 20, yeah, but not top 10. 
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Nov 22, 2017 20:15
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Raku posted:Florida isn't a top 10 job. Top 20, yeah, but not top 10. What 10 other jobs are better?
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Nov 22, 2017 20:22
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Mike_V posted:I hope A&M blows their next hire because it's ridiculous for Aggy to expect better than 8 wins year in and year out in the West. I've defended Sumlin for a long time, including after this year's UCLA loss, but I feel like we've seen what his ceiling is post-Johnny/Kingsbury, and it's 8-4. If we can't get over that hill in two absolute dogshit years for the SEC, then when? I understand that this program's floor is a lot lower than most Aggies think it is- we could easily make a bad hire and turn into Arkansas, but if this is our ceiling then we might as well all just eat a bullet. Sumlin recruits as well as anybody could ever be expected to at A&M, but for whatever reason the talent development (and utilization) has just been incredibly lacking. Look at a Reggie Bush-level force of nature like Christian Kirk, and how he disappears for games at a time because even after three years nobody's been able to figure out how to put the ball in his hands on a regular basis. Look at how the offensive line that gave Manziel an eternity to throw the ball or do whatever got steadily worse every year we got further away from Sherman. With all of this said, I hope they're not pulling the trigger without a slam-dunk hire lined up. We could do a lot worse than we're doing right now, and we will do worse if we're just making an emotional decision. General Dog fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 20:23
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Raku posted:Florida isn't a top 10 job. Top 20, yeah, but not top 10. Dude you're fuckin retarded.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:32
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Raku posted:Florida isn't a top 10 job. Top 20, yeah, but not top 10. If you're talking overall in terms of "overall current colleges" sure, but in terms of current openings in D-I FBS? It's the "top".
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Nov 22, 2017 20:33
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I don't see how Florida isn't in the top 10 of FBS full-stop. Big money, nationally prominent, tons of success in the past 30 years, flagship(ish) program of one of the nation's most talent-rich states.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:36
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General Dog posted:I don't see how Florida isn't in the top 10 of FBS full-stop. Big money, nationally prominent, tons of success in the past 30 years, flagship(ish) program hell yeah GD all this poo poo applies to Nebraska too maybe it's still a pretty goo General Dog posted:of one of the nation's most talent-rich states. gently caress
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Nov 22, 2017 20:41
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Over the last thirty years Florida is top ten in win percent, recruit class rankings, football revenue, and athletic department revenue. Florida is tied for second most national championships over the last thirty years (not coincidentally with the other two big schools in the state). Money, recruits, wins, championships.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:50
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LLCoolJD posted:I don't understand why any AD would dictate what staff an incoming coach would be required to hire. If true, that's a colossal piece of stupidity by UF. VT did this actually but a coach would need to be retarded to turn down Bud Foster.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:54
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Also my top ten jobs are (not in order): Bama, ND, Ohio State, UF, FSU, LSU, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Texas.
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Nov 22, 2017 21:11
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It seems like Virginia should be a way better job (and obviously program) than it is.
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Nov 22, 2017 21:13
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I'm seriously wracking my brain for ten jobs that are clearly better than UF. Contenders: Alabama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida State, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Clemson, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn State....? Any others? Wisconsin? The ones that are most easily arguable as better might be Bama, USC, Michigan, Ohio State and Texas, but really only Bama/USC/Texas are clearly better jobs. I think you could argue that UF is better than (or equal to) the rest. The major downside is the pressure from the fanbase, but that isn't unique to UF by any stretch. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 21:19
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OSU is pretty clearly a better job, i think. Much better facilities and investment from the school, by far the best program in a fertile recruiting ground, easier path to the playoff, etc.
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Nov 22, 2017 21:31
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There are a number of schools at which an elite coach can succeed. Schools with built-in advantages: USC, LSU, Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Georgia, FSU, Miami. Schools with fewer advantages but tons of prestige/fan support: Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. It's all extremely subjective.
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MourningView posted:OSU is pretty clearly a better job, i think. Much better facilities and investment from the school, by far the best program in a fertile recruiting ground, easier path to the playoff, etc. I don’t disagree. Ok, so 4 that are clearly better?
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MourningView posted:OSU is pretty clearly a better job, i think. Much better facilities and investment from the school, by far the best program in a fertile recruiting ground, easier path to the playoff, etc. OSU also notched a win in the “did your head coach fake a terminal heart condition to get out of coaching for you so he could go here instead?” column.
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Grittybeard posted:It seems like Virginia should be a way better job (and obviously program) than it is. Nobody at Virginia gives a poo poo about football (fanbase and administration). We're pretty ok with this
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Nov 22, 2017 21:56
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YOLOsubmarine posted:OSU also notched a win in the “did your head coach fake a terminal heart condition to get out of coaching for you so he could go here instead?” column. That episode makes Florida look worse than OSU, imo.
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Nov 22, 2017 22:11
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vikingstrike posted:That episode makes Florida look worse than OSU, imo. Who can honestly say that Urban Meyer would have done the same had Nick Saban been coaching the Michigan Wolverines at the time? I'm pretty sure he would have stayed put in Gainesville had that been the case. This is not meant to be a criticism of his decision to move away. It made a lot of sense, actually.
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LLCoolJD posted:Who can honestly say that Urban Meyer would have done the same had Nick Saban been coaching the Michigan Wolverines at the time? I'm pretty sure he would have stayed put in Gainesville had that been the case. The whole thing was pretty weird, and even when he left Florida, if I remember right, everyone was already joking it was just so he could take the OSU job.
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Nov 22, 2017 22:26
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Nick Saban destroyed Urbz will to live.
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Nov 22, 2017 22:31
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You know you're a hot commodity when you spurn Notre Dame to go to Florida, and then spurn Florida to go to Ohio State.
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A&M is a pretty good job, although obviously not at the level of Florida/Texas/Bama/OSU or even LSU. Tons of money, new facilities, only SEC school in a football-mad state. Downsides: an absolutely insane fanbase with exceedingly high expectations, located in College Station Sumlin is a pretty good coach who can recruit very well, but Gen. Dog is right that he hasn't done a good job at developing said players (especially quarterbacks). Although I still think he deserves more time, the Mazzone hire was probably his undoing.
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