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You are being  ed. Don't let yourself be ed.
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I for one don't really want to ride in a car that's a big steel box with no windows. 
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Nov 18, 2017 19:30
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:I for one don't really want to ride in a car that's a big steel box with no windows. Yeah, that would be boring as hell.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:25
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Just put wheels on a coffin and you can sleep while commuting or have the 'roof open' like a convertible and then when there is an accident you save on funeral costs.
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Nov 19, 2017 14:45
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Pictured: EoRaptor's windowless, autonomous car
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Nov 20, 2017 18:44
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xergm posted:Pictured: EoRaptor's windowless, autonomous car 
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Nov 20, 2017 21:52
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drunkill posted:Just put wheels on a coffin and you can sleep while commuting or have the 'roof open' like a convertible and then when there is an accident you save on funeral costs. 
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Nov 20, 2017 22:13
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xergm posted:Pictured: EoRaptor's windowless, autonomous car I never said windowless  . Also it’d have four wheels and a rounded shape for aerodynamic performance. 
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Nov 21, 2017 11:22
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I can tell the King St. experiment is going to be a good thing because it's already enraging Ford Nation. http://www.blogto.com/city/2017/11/criticism-car-free-king-street-toronto/
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Chris Knight posted:I can tell the King St. experiment is going to be a good thing because it's already enraging Ford Nation. http://www.blogto.com/city/2017/11/criticism-car-free-king-street-toronto/ At first I thought you mean Ford Nation as in some dumb name that Ford marketing gave to their fans
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Nov 21, 2017 21:22
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Hasn't Homer Simpson already designed the perfect car of the future back in the 90s?
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fishmech posted:Taking away the steering wheel does change that. How, exactly, are you proposing that human occupant operate the steering of the car without it, when the self-driving functionality is unable to run? Like you seem to really not be getting that if a couple important sensors break or get blocked off by something (road grime, snow, whatever) the car can no longer self drive, but a human could drive it with the appropriate controls. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/11/fully-driverless-cars-are-here/ quote:Waymo is now confident enough in its technology to dispense with a safety driver. The company has released a video showing Waymo cars driving around the Phoenix area with no one in the driver's seat It seems like reality has already solved those unsolvable problems you've brought up.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:35
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DTurtle posted:It seems like reality has already solved those unsolvable problems you've brought up. I have a feeling that this topic would be better discussed with some automotive engineers in the room - and preferably without a certain know-it-all. But thanks for that link! I, too, was unaware that Waymo were so far ahead of the game.
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Nov 22, 2017 22:50
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DTurtle posted:https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/11/fully-driverless-cars-are-here/ Testing is way the gently caress away from being something that actually works in practice in all the conditions a normal driver will expect to experience. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to grasp.
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Nov 22, 2017 23:01
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fishmech posted:Testing is way the gently caress away from being something that actually works in practice in all the conditions a normal driver will expect to experience. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to grasp. Does Waymo currently have a product and solution that can completely replace owning a car? No. But they are able to provide a taxi service without a driver. It is currently location locked and probably weather dependent, but they have a working system that can be incrementally expanded and improved. That is a system that is becoming a reality right now. There are autonomous cars - without a driver at the wheel, or able to grab the wheel - driving on public roads right this second.
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Nov 22, 2017 23:50
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But it's not perfect and doesn't work in all conditions therefore it can't possibly replace any percentage of human drivers who are also not perfect and can't drive in all conditions. 
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DTurtle posted:Except that for now it does not have to work in all conditions a normal driver can experience. It has to be good enough to recognize when it is getting into a situation that it can't handle (ice, extreme rain, etc.) and be able to react safely - ie. pull off to the side of the road and call in. No they do not have the ability to provide a taxi service without a driver. Since as you said right there it's extremely location and weather dependent. And just saying "but it could improve later" is no guarantee it actually will. There have been "autonomous cars" "on public roads right this second" for going on 20 years now. Turns out that has said about nothing about their practicality as something that you can actually use. wolrah posted:But it's not perfect and doesn't work in all conditions therefore it can't possibly replace any percentage of human drivers who are also not perfect and can't drive in all conditions. When they can't actually function outside 6 random patches of 3 cities in good weather and with human drivers around them behaving correctly, they're not useful at all. No amount of you people who really really want it and want to handwave things way is going to fix the problems at hand.
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Nov 23, 2017 01:38
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This reminds me of when authorities insisted someone walk in front of a car waving a flag just in case a horse got startled or something.
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The Deadly Hume posted:This reminds me of when authorities insisted someone walk in front of a car waving a flag just in case a horse got startled or something.
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http://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/denver-department-of-public-works/projects/current/colfax-corridor-connections.html the RTD district wants to build a BRT line down the middle of east Colfax from downtown to Aurora. Come on, build a streetcar line instead. A few things; unless 13th, 14th, 16th, and 18th avenues are improved too, taking a thru lane away from Colfax is going to create a huge traffic mess. would it be more feasible to use the one way streets that are one block north and south that go completely through from downtown to Aurora. will_colorado fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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I have to say thank you to this thread. I recently started working at a regional planning office, and the fact that I have recreationally read the MUTCD has so far come up twice and in at least one time I have won actual money on a bet (that the Red, White and Blue stripe in the middle of a Rhode Island town is legit).
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Nov 27, 2017 13:34
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Elendil004 posted:(that the Red, White and Blue stripe in the middle of a Rhode Island town is legit). Oh man my city would be all over this if they knew it was a thing.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Oh man my city would be all over this if they knew it was a thing. quote:Section 353(b) STRIPES — Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a red, white, and blue center line in the Main Street of Bristol, Rhode Island, shall be deemed to comply with the requirements of Section 3B-1 of the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices of the Department of Transportation.
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Nov 27, 2017 17:07
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wolrah posted:It isn't for anyone else, it's literally a specific legal exemption for that street. How in the world did that one happen, and why?
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Nov 28, 2017 05:42
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poo poo gets grandfathered in, the same reason there's "historic" highways that don't need to be brought up to reasonable modern standards
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Nov 28, 2017 06:10
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Volmarias posted:How in the world did that one happen, and why? I'm going to guess that the higher authorities managed to bully all the other towns and cities into repaving their streets to have compliant stripes, but that place alone refused to buckle under and they finally said "fine, these guys can have it for now".
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Nov 28, 2017 06:13
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Presumably something something PATRIOTIC. And that is exactly the kind of hill small town politicians will die on every time.  Unless they have a significant problem with people somehow confusing it for a dashed passing zone line, who cares, that thing rules.
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Baronjutter posted:poo poo gets grandfathered in, the same reason there's "historic" highways that don't need to be brought up to reasonable modern standards Like the Old Spiral Highway.  The town is a shipping hub. Semi trucks used to take it, at 25MPH, because it rises a thousand feet or something absurd. Entire thing is like 7%+ grade. One lane each way, baby. Then they built the bypass off to the east there and it's now a hillclimb course, though technically still an open road otherwise. Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 07:14
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Javid posted:Presumably something something PATRIOTIC. And that is exactly the kind of hill small town politicians will die on every time.
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Nov 28, 2017 07:27
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hahahaha fuckin' Lewiston. That shitshow of a highway is used heavily to Elsewhere in the area there's a sharp 90 degree turn right before an 18% grade that's abused similarly for the amusement of the elders.
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Nov 28, 2017 07:31
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Grew up there. Are you me? The abrupt lane change before the bridge to North Lewiston hosed me up, too.
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Nov 28, 2017 07:46
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Like the Old Spiral Highway.  Please tell me that this is open to the public so that I can
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Nov 28, 2017 07:58
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Grew up there. Are you me? Fancy city folk. Half my family is from Grangeville. And by Grangeville, we mean Fenn. And by Fenn, we mean that's where the nearest paved road is.
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The Deadly Hume posted:I see that line and I think Netherlands or France Luxemburg. Or, honestly, any of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_White_and_Blue
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Volmarias posted:
http://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/4329-phantom-canyon-road.html
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will_colorado posted:http://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/denver-department-of-public-works/projects/current/colfax-corridor-connections.html Dunno, knowing how absurdly expensive it is to build a streetcar line in America compared to anywhere else, I'd go for the BRT too. will_colorado posted:A few things; unless 13th, 14th, 16th, and 18th avenues are improved too, taking a thru lane away from Colfax is going to create a huge traffic mess.
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Volmarias posted:
it is. but you have to go to Lewiston/Clarkston to drive on it, so is it really worth it? also: how are there so many LWS goons around (I'm not one but I have family there)
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will_colorado posted:http://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/denver-department-of-public-works/projects/current/colfax-corridor-connections.html Proper BRT with all-door loading and modern vehicles can be just as nice as rail. Even without dedicated ROW, it can be nice, the SDX in Las Vegas for example.
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a patagonian cavy posted:it is. but you have to go to Lewiston/Clarkston to drive on it, so is it really worth it? I'm actually on the east coast, I just want to know that this is An Option if I ever end up out there.
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