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paradoxGentleman posted:I don't like the implication that an rear end in a top hat genius is something to be encouraged and welcomed. Seriously, it's a trope I'd be happy to see taken behind the shed and shot - that geniuses have a right to be assholes or that its a consequence of being smart and above the little people. And conversely, a lot of loving assholes think they're geniuses who don't need to deal with time-wasting and inefficient activities such as decency and respect because they think that being a dick and being smart is the same loving thing. And a Genius rear end in a top hat is the kind who gives zero fucks that companies building their stuff require suicide nets, or that the main core of their company is a stressfilled nightmare where employees are encouraged to snitch on others for not putting in 90+ hours a week, even if they're on vacation. Or the type that think it's okay to video conference naked because they just had such a great idea while showering and don't care if their staff doesn't want to see his woody. Robindaybird fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Here’s a thought. If there’s real accountability for doing creepy poo poo a lot of these guys will keep it in their pants out of rational self interest which will let us enjoy their work without having to overlook a string of sexual assaults. In other words if you really value the contributions these guys make then fix the culture so we don’t need to purge them in the first place.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:17
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Alright which one of you is this https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/933345649508147201
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and studies shown employees are way more productive if they're happy, and the quickest way to knock that down is having a trash fire of a boss. There's an old saying: People don't quit jobs, they quit management.
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21 Muns posted:I'm having a hard time seeing how you're missing the point this hard. Yes, Walt was an rear end in a top hat too. The movies weren't worth it. It's time for that era to end.  lol "those movies" -- in both cases -- literally created the art form we're discussing in this thread. Walt's studio codified the way a traditionally animated feature film was made in the first part of the 20th century and there's a very clear though-line to Pixar creating the first 3D feature-length animated film at the end of the 20th century. They were certainly flawed men of the eras to which they belonged, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. The thing worth keeping, and what I dare suggest Pixar has been missing these last several years, is someone with a vision for the studio itself in the long term, not just a vision for the films they produce. Both Disney and Jobs built more than just studios, they built institutions that formed the foundations of an industry. paradoxGentleman posted:I don't like the implication that an rear end in a top hat genius is something to be encouraged and welcomed. The only "genius" Jobs had with respect to Pixar was not micromanaging it and trusting the creative people they put in charge wrt the process of making animated movies. That's something that has to be fought for and he was the right type of crazy rear end in a top hat to fight for it at the time.
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Genius Assholes are the reason why so many industries are nightmarish hellholes to work in.
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So what value do you place on the happiness of your fellow human beings? How many good movies is the lovely work life of hundreds of people worth?
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paradoxGentleman posted:So what value do you place on the happiness of your fellow human beings? How many good movies is the lovely work life of hundreds of people worth? But what if knowing that suffering was involved in something you now get to consume is part of the enjoyment? You know, like eating veal or foie gras.
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yes, the takeaway from all these rapists being cast into the light is that we should bar stubborn assholes from working on things we like, or for that matter, anyone who's ever done a remotely bad thing this isn't a hollering loving insane thing to take away from this situation at all e: to be less glib, there are degrees of assholery and someone being kind of a stubborn dick is a really, really stupid reason to cancel them compared to the people who have actually done horrible things
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Robindaybird posted:Genius Assholes are the reason why so many industries are nightmarish hellholes to work in. That’s why I’m excited for Elementary to come back, a great show and the only one that seems to be about breaking down this idea and expressing it’s the assholes job to stop being an rear end in a top hat.
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paradoxGentleman posted:So what value do you place on the happiness of your fellow human beings? How many good movies is the lovely work life of hundreds of people worth? I can't answer that for anyone else, but for me it was 0, which is why I left that industry years ago. FWIW the lovely work life of people in animation is bigger than any one person or company can account for. I can also tell you that the most debaucherous poo poo I've seen in my life, professional or otherwise, was during those years. And third, and I'm not sure how I can be any clearer about this: it is my opinion that Pixar needs someone at the top fighting for the creative independence of the studio--and that's their main job. Jobs, for all his faults, really keyed into the idea that the best way to make movies is to create the space for creative people to be creative without giving them enough slack to hang themselves. He was the right guy for that job in the late 20th century, Pixar could sure use someone like that again, but with a 21st century skill set. With Lasseter taking leave, they should take the opportunity to split his job in 2 again: promote Docter to the lead creative role and bring in someone else from outside Emeryville or WDAS to focus on building what the studio will be in 10 years.
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Vanity Fair has a new Hive article about Pixar’s issue, can’t seem to grab the link on my phone, can someone help me here?
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Pick posted:Vanity Fair has a new Hive article about Pixar’s issue, can’t seem to grab the link on my phone, can someone help me here? https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/disney-pixar-john-lasseter-leave-allegations There you go. Now you got to go finish your Brave Little Toaster thing.
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Pick posted:That’s why I’m excited for Elementary to come back, a great show and the only one that seems to be about breaking down this idea and expressing it’s the assholes job to stop being an rear end in a top hat. I noticed a lot how people seem to miss the point that a lot of the smart assholes - Rick especially - are the engineers of their own suffering, and are really terrible, awful people to be around and NOT to be admired. I remember when that stupid sauce fiasco happened that lot of the fans calling the morons screaming about Pickle Ricks and trying to jump the counter to search for sauce calling everyone involved Jerrys and someone just fired off a killer reply I feel most Rick and Morty fans are going to ignore: "They're not Jerrys, they're Ricks, they're people who put more value in useless poo poo than other human beings because they think they're somehow the only people who know what's real. I'd rather be Jerry - he may be a loser, but he's a loser that's actually happy with his life and doesn't push everyone away to be a miserable sadsack or drive five hours to a McDonalds to prove some kind of asinine point."
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i am neither a genius nor an rear end in a top hat - my rear end in a top hat, however, is a genius of the highest order, and it's working on an animated feature film about emotions
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hahahahathat vanity fair article posted:The environment, created by men who had been more successful drawing women than dating them, alienated some women trying to break into animation.
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Vanity Fair is the last bastion of quality journalism almost anywhere. I can only hope Graydon Carter's successor is as good. The last two articles (one about the US Department of Energy, the other about the US Department of Agriculture) by Michael Lewis (who wrote The Big Short) are phenomenal.
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i read the one about the usda, it was pretty great - i didn't realise there was one for energy by the same writer so am googling it as we speak
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For whoever asked about Chris Sanders, he's apparently doing a Jungle Book-esque Call of the Wild adaptation for Fox. In refreshing news that doesn't have anything to do with sexual harassment or assault, here's the trailer for Smallfoot, Warner Animation's next movie. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNYwnlcjnDU To me it looks precisely as inoffensive yet unexciting as Storks. There's also an Honest Trailer about Emoji Movie and a CinemaSins about Cars 3 but as someone who believes Honest Trailers and Cinemasins are worse than The Emoji Movie (and I saw Emoji on opening night) I refuse to watch or link them.
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Storks was fuckin great, I'll defend that movie to my death  Something about the voices in that trailer though is really weird. They sounded like they were re-recoreded after animating or something.
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Robindaybird posted:"They're not Jerrys, they're Ricks, they're people who put more value in useless poo poo than other human beings because they think they're somehow the only people who know what's real. I'd rather be Jerry - he may be a loser, but he's a loser that's actually happy with his life and doesn't push everyone away to be a miserable sadsack or drive five hours to a McDonalds to prove some kind of asinine point." To be fair, Jerry is absolutely the kind of person who would drive 5 hours to a McDonalds to prove an asinine point, if failing to prove that point called his masculinity or position of importance in the household into question. While it's true that Jerry is able to maintain a sense of peace and happiness by being an idiot who doesn't waste all of his time obsessing over things he can't change, he is just as much the source of his own misery through his attempts to maintain the status quo. He's an exaggeration of the sitcom dad, except that instead of being the family's highest authority, he's a loser whose family is barely able to tolerate him. But it also looks like his experience being separated from Beth and the kids is going to spur some character growth, depending on how things go next season. If he does find himself in a role that supports his family rather than trying to pretend he's their superior, he'll be way ahead of Rick, who has barely changed at all over the course of 3 seasons.
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CRINDY posted:In refreshing news that doesn't have anything to do with sexual harassment or assault, here's the trailer for Smallfoot, Warner Animation's next movie. Those aren't yetis, they're wampas.  Also "LittleFoot" would have been a much better name but I guess The Land Before Time burned that for other animation films. Also there's an "actual" sasquatch called Little Foot and I guess they may have wanted to avoid a copyright challenge from a weirdo bigfoot hunter.
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So apparently the 21 goddamn minutes Olaf short will play before Coco in the US
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I mean I'm just thinking about those poor parents when finally li'l Makayla and Tiphany finally put away all the Frozen poo poo and songs and gently caress they're bringing it back again
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Also 20 minutes extra in the showing time, that probably messes up with so many people's schedules
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I saw Coco yesterday and yeah the Frozen short makes the runtime really long. Movie started at 11 am and we were out at 1:30, that is a long time for a kid’s movie! I’m not much of a movie critic but here’s my thoughts: The Frozen short was suuuuper young, which I guess is inevitable when it focuses on Olaf who talks like a 4 year old. It was a strange contrast with Coco which had a lot more subtle things going on. There was at least one “joke” that was a complete rehash of a joke from the original Frozen, that I guess was supposed to be funny because it was a reference? That’s kind of what I mean about it being clearly meant for 4 year olds. I’m certain 4 year old me would have found that very funny. I really really liked Coco and would watch it again. Miguel was awesome and as a musician I really appreciated that everyone actually played their instruments correctly and that the music matched their playing (you’d be surprised how often that is not the case, even in movies about musicians). I loved that (very early in the movie) Miguel was using the old De La Cruz movies to learn guitar by watching his fingers move, and then the camera hung out on Miguel’s fingers for a while too, so that someone like Miguel could also use Coco to learn guitar. Overall, the plot was a bit predictable - my husband literally called it in the first 20 minutes - but that didn’t ruin any enjoyment for me.
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Was Coco advertised at all? The first commercials I've seen for it were today. I was probably aware Pixar had something coming out but that's it.
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Casimir Radon posted:Was Coco advertised at all? The first commercials I've seen for it were today. I was probably aware Pixar had something coming out but that's it. Last time I went to Guitar Center a few weekends ago the front of the store right near the entrance was dominated by a big stack of Coco-branded guitars. That was the only real promotion I'd seen for the movie, but as someone without kids and who goes out of their way to not see ads I'm hardly the best judge.
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I've seen ads on tv about as often as most other Pixar movies.
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Saw Coco around 6PM EST today. It was very, very good. A little predictable and contrived at points, but I'm not gonna hold that against it too much. Plenty of fun action sequences, well-timed humor and the usual Pixar tear jerkers. Really, my only real gripe at the moment is: Desperado Bones posted:Btw, the dog and the guitar are those two things that it bothered me it was never explained. Why was the guitar magical? WHYYYY? (While I'm rereading your posts, the Frida Kahlo jokes were somewhat lost on me, sorry to say. I just took it as a self-absorbed artist doing weird art, which was still amusing enough in its own context.) ...Also, I don't think I heard John Ratzenberger once. Looking it up, no, he's still in there (what Pixar movie is he not in?), but hell if I noticed. The Frozen short sure was a thing. I'd been informed it was being made as an ABC Christmas Special that they decided to elevate to direct-to-DVD and also run in front of Coco, and yeah, it feels like it. Was inoffensive enough, songs were okay, plot twist fits into the first film's lore fairly well but otherwise was a bit silly. As for trailers:
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Shadow Hog posted:
You're not alone. Instead of the weird book with witches and two-dimensional space and whatever else, I got to read Of Mice and Men, A Separate Peace, and Lord of the Flies in both 7th and 8th grade thanks to a curriculum shuffle, then went back to Lord of the Flies a third time Freshman year. By then, I was hoping someone would crush me with a boulder too.
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Inkspot posted:You're not alone. Instead of the weird book with witches and two-dimensional space and whatever else, I got to read Of Mice and Men, A Separate Peace, and Lord of the Flies in both 7th and 8th grade thanks to a curriculum shuffle, then went back to Lord of the Flies a third time Freshman year. By then, I was hoping someone would crush me with a boulder too. I had the same experience as yours, but had to read A Wrinkle in Time instead of Lord of the Flies. Everything else identical, though.
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Shadow Hog posted:
In my country most people are tired of Frida,Like exhausted. She has been elevated in to idol status, like she is the one and only mexican cultural "icon" (while ignoring better artists), and is a very marketable figure nowadays, so far I wouldn't be surprised if her face ended stamped on bean cans. I mean...I've stumble with girls dressed up at her on a walk to the mall. So most of us were in loving stitches at her being represented that way, a pretentious artist with some weird ideas. . And yes, the Frozen short felt like a direct to DVD thing, or...like a random episode of a saturday morning cartoon.
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Just saw it; it was really good. While some beats were predictable, they were done well, and I'd say it was the best movie they've put out since their golden age from a few years ago when they had a winning streak which was broken by Cars 2. It didn't have any of the problems I was worried about based on the most recent couple of Pixar films (was worried it would be bland, or that they'd include a lot of unnecessary slapstick). Honestly, the Frozen short was the biggest problem with the film. Shadow Hog posted:Really, my only real gripe at the moment is: The guitar isn't magical; the guy in the office quite explicitly says that it's because he's cursed, since on Dia de Muertos, he took from the dead instead of giving them something.
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