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KingNastidon posted:Zero, as far as I can remember. What does that have to do with anything? You know fuckall about the real world because you have been too chickenshit to ever leave your privileged bubble. There are fundamental aspects of the human experience and human behavior that you have no concept of because you have never known any deprivation. That is something that those of us in this thread who know a bit about suffering can see clearly in your thinking; you are incredibly naive and have the particular arrogance that is only sustained by a life of uninterrupted abundance. You are also deeply insecure about the slightest of perceived criticisms because you don;'t know anything about what actual pain or persecution is like. Hey, you asked and I answered.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Here’s a question a net neutrality. Let’s say net neutrality gets abolished and ISPs get to prioritize or deprioritize sites and charge more for some. Can’t you just bypass it all by using an encrypted VPN? Nobody will be able to tell what sites you are using. Yes and no. Yes it may work in the short term. In the long term, there is nothing stopping them from throttling all encrypted network traffic.
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KingNastidon posted:I went to a pretty good college, but not certainly not what I'd consider elite. I'm speaking from my experience in my science/business-focused career where I've interacted with probably 100+ people within my own company, consultants, etc that went to ivy league or similar level colleges. Many of them pretty obviously came from affluent/privileged backgrounds, or at least more so than myself. While not ALWAYS the case, these people are ON AVERAGE more intelligent and dedicated than those from "lesser" schools including my own, much less those with zero formal education. Someone with a Cornell engineering degree and Harvard MBA may very well be a trust fund dumbass, but it is certainly less likely than your average person. This was the original argument being made. The quote you replied to was "turns out well educated, powerful, wealthy, and well connected people aren't much smarter than folks who have none of those advantages. often dumber". The reply you made was "While you can rightfully bemoan the numerous advantages many attendees of elite/ivy colleges often have, they're almost always more intelligent or at least "harder-working" in the white collar sense than your average person. " 1. You have confused "attendees of elite schools" with "well-educated, powerful, wealthy, and well-connected people". These two circles overlap but are not the same. Specifically, many smart people who attend elite schools do not then go on to achieve power, wealth, and connections. Do you agree that not all Harvard graduates are powerful, wealthy, and well-connected? (I agree that enough Harvard graduates are well-educated that you can generalize them as such.) Do you agree that a statement that is meant to apply to "well-educated, powerful, wealthy, and well-connected" people is not a statement meant to apply to "everyone who attended an elite school"? 2. I seem to have interacted with significantly more people who attended an elite college than you have. Notably, you appear to be generalizing "all people who attended an elite college" out of "MBAs and science graduates from elite colleges who have successfully figured out their career and gotten a job", which is what's tripping you up here. In my experience, which I'm gonna say is better than your experience because apparently you didn't know that grade inflation exists, a small minority of attendees/graduates of elite colleges are smart, driven, passionate white or model minority people who stand out. A minority of those people go on to achieve power, wealth, AND connections (as opposed to achieving only one or two of the three). A lot of everyone else is "my parents paid for tutoring when I was in highschool and I work pretty hard" or "I'm a little brighter than average and I coasted on that because my highschool sucked, and wow, college is really hard now because I have bad study habits" or "I'm smart, driven, and/or passionate but due to circumstances not completely in my control, my opportunities for advancement in America are limited and ten years from now, I will still be unable to achieve enough power, wealth, AND connections to the extent referenced by disgruntled posters on internet forums". Also, one of the problems with grade inflation is less the "everyone aces the test because they're brilliant" situation and more the "if the professor graded fairly, he would fail half the class for not knowing fundamentals, so he bumps everyone up by a letter grade so he doesn't have to see their stupid faces next semester when they retake it" situation. 4. Being smarter than someone doesn't make you better than them. You don't get more worth as a person by being smarter or richer or better-connected. You should probably stop implying that it does. edit: Also I don't understand why you're being super insecure about this, it's honestly confusing me. double edit: also lmao if you think someone who takes out a 200k loan for an art history degree is significantly smarter that someone who doesn't Colin Mockery fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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Vladimir Putin posted:Here’s a question a net neutrality. Let’s say net neutrality gets abolished and ISPs get to prioritize or deprioritize sites and charge more for some. Can’t you just bypass it all by using an encrypted VPN? Nobody will be able to tell what sites you are using. VPN will either be outright blocked, or be part of an expensive "business-grade" package that regular people won't be able to afford.
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Vladimir Putin posted:You know what’s weird. Everyone says ‘look what happened to the economy in 2008. I can’t believe nobody got sent to jail for that.’ But nobody ever follows on to point out what specific crimes were committed. Bit late to the party, but this is both disingenuous and wrong. It is difficult for a layman to point to specific criminal acts because: 1. We aren't steeped in securities law. 2. We arent' privy to the books of large financial institutions in such a way as to be able to locate their specific criminal acts. That said, the idea that large scale fraud wasn't being committed during and after the financial crash is absurd. In the aftermath, for example, we have the $50 billion dollar settlement with the various states over "improper foreclosure practices' in the form of robosigning. That is fraud. There is no question that is fraud. Tam doan, from BoA, for example, estimated that he signed and/or notarized upwards of 25,000 forclosure related documents during his time with the company, despite having reviewed none of the material. This material was then presented to foreclosure courts as accurate and reviewed information. Admittedly I'm Canadian, but I know that if my parents had engaged in this behavior on a small scale they'd have been sanctioned or worse. Yet done on a large scale the idea that anyone is criminally responsible for mass-scale fraud somehow vanishes into the ether. Vladimir Putin posted:Most fraud on applications were done by brokers. They sold the products to Wall Street but you can’t really blame the bankers for that one. The only thing you can say was that wall street’s insatiable demand for mortgages caused loan originators to play it fast and loose. Sorry but I don’t think you can pin that on Wall Street. Okay. So why isn't Angelo Mozilo, former head of Countrywide in prison? I mean, they tried to get him on insider trading, I guess, but he ran the most fraudulent mortgage lender in the history of the United States, most likely the history of the planet, and yet he didn't see a single day in jail, and instead came out with roughly half a billion dollars. Or why not Joe Cassano. He ran AIGFP and is probably the single most responsible human being on the face of the planet if you want to point fingers at a person who is responsible for the contagion eventually infecting everyday markets. The man sold billions upon billions of credit default swaps knowing full well that, in the event of a market correction, the company would have no conceivable way of paying those debts. If you are selling insurance, and you have no money, that is fraud. These are not hard cases. Or hell, for fucksake, Timberwolf. Goldman Sachs sells a product they know to be collapsing to investors under the guise of a AAA rated security, lie to congress about it, and somehow skate despite literally calling it "A piece of poo poo" in internal documents. The sheer fact that all of these firms paid massive penalties in the wake of the collapse tells you that there are crimes, crimes that should have resulted in criminal convictions had the obama justice department not decided that those involved were too big to jail.
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If your ex is sharing explicit photos of you with people without your permission do not threaten to go to the police if you are a member of congress. Hire a lawyer.
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kidkissinger posted:It really bothers me when people defend the mass terror campaign that is the drone war just because Obama was responsible for expanding it. Because a mass invasion by armed personnel, or multiple airstrikes, would be highly preferable. That's the actual alternative here, you don't get to pretend that "ignore the problem and hope like hell that Al Qaeda or Isis just go away" is in any way a solution. If you have a better way to kill these people, then there's a check for a several billion with your name on it waiting at Lockheed Martin. Now, you could be complaining that Obama did not attempt to balance the needs of the situation against civilian casualties, but you're not, since we've seen what that ACTUALLY looks like when a sociopath like Trump starts just blowing up foreigners for the sheer hell of it, and you're still pretending that Obama was a monster who lusted after the death of children and that Al Qaeda was just a false flag operation to excuse his drones.
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Ah yes the "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" strategy. If that actually worked the Middle East would be the most peaceful region on the planet. Alas, it is not, and you have the military mind of a 14th century warlord. One of the shittier ones lost to history.
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Kilroy posted:Ah yes the "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" strategy. Okay, but what's the solution then? No one ever seems to have a solution to this beyond just leave. Literally hundreds of years of history have made the middle east into the mess it is today, and the solution to the problems there isn't ever going to be just leave it completely alone. Yes, drones suck and we should take extreme care when picking targets, but of all of the possible choices on intervention in the area they seem like the least bad of a lot of bad choices.
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Fulchrum posted:Now, you could be complaining that Obama did not attempt to balance the needs of the situation against civilian casualties, but you're not, since we've seen what that ACTUALLY looks like when a sociopath like Trump starts just blowing up foreigners for the sheer hell of it, and you're still pretending that Obama was a monster who lusted after the death of children and that Al Qaeda was just a false flag operation to excuse his drones. The Obama administration was lying about the civilian casualties of its murder campaign by retroactively classifying any male they inadvertently killed as a terrorist as long as they could plausibly say he looked old enough to hold a gun and not too old to aim it, I've told you this before, yet you continue lying about it.
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Actually Obama blew up a shitload of brown people and systematically lied about the number of innocent civilians he killed in the process. He also murdered a bunch of innocent people who had done nothing more than be at the same restaurant as a 16 year old US citizen we had no other option but to kill using a drone strike (because 16 year olds are too loving dangerous to be handled any other way.) I'm sorry friend but the Iraq war is over and no one is going to accept arguments premised in justifying the necessity of the forever war and/or how the way we fought the forever war is only way that it could have been fought. The entire style of logic that you are employing has been thoroughly discredited by real world events over the last 15 years.
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Refried Hero posted:Okay, but what's the solution then? No one ever seems to have a solution to this beyond just leave. Yes, the problem with the Middle East is a shortage of American bombs falling on people's homes, you've solved it.
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Uglycat posted:I quit my job in 2012, and since then I've embraced a homeless lifestyle, hanging with hippies and train kids and dirty kids and shwilly kids and rainbow fam and juggalos and deadheads and lightworkers and wobblies and queers and outlaws and carnies...  Slightly off topic, if you've made any marks on rail cars, I see a lot of rail cars. I don't take as many photos of hobo markings as I did in the past, but if you have a particular one to look for...
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Prester Jane posted:Actually Obama blew up a shitload of brown people and systematically lied about the number of innocent civilians he killed in the process. He also murdered a bunch of innocent people who had done nothing more than be at the same restaurant as a 16 year old US citizen we had no other option but to kill using a drone strike (because 16 year olds are too loving dangerous to be handled any other way.) So what, then, should we do? Just leave the region and do nothing? Should we not, at the very least, be taking steps to fix the messes we have made in these countries? Should we not, at the very least be trying to provide aid and training to the people there trying to fight against radicalized groups? What is the solution?
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VitalSigns posted:Yes, the problem with the Middle East is a shortage of American bombs falling on people's homes, you've solved it. What should we do then? What is the solution? I don't think bombing helps all that much, but doing absolutely nothing to stop groups like ISIS is a pretty lovely plan too.
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Refried Hero posted:Okay, but what's the solution then? No one ever seems to have a solution to this beyond just leave. The solution neocons like Fulchrum keep putting forward is basically Marshall Plan On A Shoestring Budget and then blow poo poo up when we don't get our way. Repeat ad nauseam. The correct solution is, more or less, exactly to leave them the gently caress alone and accept that they're going to hate our loving guts for a few generations, and that we have that coming. And we also have coming the consequences of that earned hatred, which we definitely ought to guard ourselves against but not to the extent that we let it compel us to start doing the poo poo, once again, that got us into the situation it is now. Oh and cut off Israel as well, naturally. There are few examples of worse alliances in history, both from a strategic and a moral perspective.
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Refried Hero posted:So what, then, should we do? Just leave the region and do nothing? Let me lay out my comprehensive plan for solving the Middle East in a single forums post. Why no, I don't consider your insistence that I propose a viable solution to a centuries old problem because I criticized specific actions taken by our President to be an unreasonable demand. Personally I think we could start by not using nightmare machines to indiscriminately rain death upon the people we are pretending to "help" from clear blue skies, but that is just me. (And no, the fact that Trump has been even more indiscriminate than Obama does not excuse Obama's actions here.) Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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Colin Mockery posted:edit: Also I don't understand why you're being super insecure about this, it's honestly confusing me. Thanks for providing a response that isn't complete insanity and straw man arguments. 1. True, there isn't a complete overlap. But there certainly is a strong correlation between prestige/exclusivity and income, which I'm using as the simplest proxy for career success. http://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-with-high-starting-salaries-2016-9. The boner poster that provided the original comment specifically mentioned Harvard graduates, which is why I repeatedly referenced elite schools. 2. I was being sarcastic regarding the ivy league grade inflation. I'm aware and understand the motivations as to why professors at elite schools would have more motivation to give higher grades than others. This is problematic and should be addressed where possible. The trend of grade inflation within a single institution would indicate a problem. I also feel the goon hyperbole machine uses the existence of grade inflation as proof there is systematic corruption within these schools to promote the unworthy children of the affluent to successes they would otherwise not obtain under a fair system. This could be true, sure. Alternatively, it could be that a much higher percentage of people that were admitted to an extremely exclusive college are going to score well on objective tests (e.g., math/science) or perform well above the mean on subjective examinations (e.g., essays). A strict implementation of a bell curve grading system could solve for this, but is not a foolproof solution. How do you fail someone that sufficiently completed the requirements of the test/course above that of what was expected of the professor as they were designing the test? Are there any randomly assigned, blinded studies that show that elite universities are unfairly assigning grades? 4. I don't think I've claimed being smarter is being better. I've hopefully pretty clearly expressed that educational attainment and career success are highly dependent on affluence. This isn't really debatable -- there is tons of data out there. This should be corrected in every way possible, from wealth redistribution, to education equality, to access to health care. I just find it laughable that people here can't argue those points as they are while still acknowledging that hey, graduates from elite colleges are probably smart people. They may not even be bad people -- they are ivory tower coastal elites that typically vote alongside you! It's not terribly useful to say that every person in finance, pharma, defense industry, ivy league grads, people earning above $X, etc. should face the firing squad and simultaneously wonder why people mock the crazy lefty libtards. It's not being super insecure. There was some fun discussion in US POL the other day on whether lovely stock clipart of a black woman with red lipstick was a racist sambo caricature on a DCCC infographic. It really is possible to punch left on the SA D&D forums without being a nazi.
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Refried Hero posted:What should we do then? What is the solution? I don't think bombing helps all that much, but doing absolutely nothing to stop groups like ISIS is a pretty lovely plan too. Why does ISIS exist, friend Refried Hero? Refried Hero posted:So what, then, should we do? Just leave the region and do nothing? The United States' imperial adventures in the Middle East are not motivated by altruism or a desire to "fix our mess", that is hopelessly naive. And even if it were, the United States government is demonstrably too incompetent and corrupt to actually achieve the goals you're projecting onto it.
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Refried Hero posted:What should we do then? What is the solution? I don't think bombing helps all that much, but doing absolutely nothing to stop groups like ISIS is a pretty lovely plan too. All else being equal, I would say sure, let's support groups in that region who are fighting against tyranny and let's do that with no strings attached either in a political or economic sense (or if you must be rationally self-interested with the understanding that a peaceful region free of tyranny is in our best interests as well). However I do not trust this government to do that, nor do I trust the boundless generosity of the American people - who I will remind you recently elected some rear end in a top hat who suggested we "take their oil" - to commit to such a strategy. So yes, nothing. Of course, that won't actually happen, and we're probably not going to have peace in the Middle East until about 70 years after the collapse of the West, which is to say we're never going to have peace in the Middle East at all, since by the time that happens climate change will be in full "gently caress everything up forever" mode.
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Friends, I see some of you are new to empathy and compassion, if you're just open about it we can help.
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Prester Jane posted:Personally I think we could start by not using nightmare machines to indiscriminately rain death upon the people we are pretending to "help" from clear blue skies, but that is just me. (And no, the fact that Trump has been even more indiscriminate than Obama does not excuse Obama's actions here.) You should read, "The Irony if American History" before continuing this critque.
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VitalSigns posted:Why does ISIS exist, friend Refried Hero? ISIS exists because of an unending history of western imperialism and fuckery in the middle east, everyone reasonable should know and understand this. Look, the closest you have come to providing an answer to what should be done about extremism in the middle east is to skirt around the question by pointing out that what we are currently doing sucks. NO poo poo. That doesn't really help anything though. Hell, our greatest 'allies' in the region are some of the worst examples. Isreal and Saudi Arabia are both poo poo and constantly take actions that make the region worse. Yes, US foreign policy sucks and yes, drone strikes are lovely terror weapons. What is the solution beyond just leave?
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VitalSigns posted:The Obama administration was lying about the civilian casualties of its murder campaign by retroactively classifying any male they inadvertently killed as a terrorist as long as they could plausibly say he looked old enough to hold a gun and not too old to aim it, I've told you this before, yet you continue lying about it. And I've caught you lying by saying they were targeting children. THe difference is that even if we expanded thelargest estimate of civilian casualties 10 fold, it still comes under the number of confirmed operatives killed. But your BS about Obama targeting children is still BS. Prester Jane posted:Let me lay out my comprehensive plan for solving the Middle East in a single forums post. Why no, I don;t consider your claims that I propose a viable solution to a centuries old problem because I criticized specific actions taken by our President to be an unreasonable demand. And now you're just continuing to make up what words mean. You cannot be "more" indiscriminate. The simple fact that Trump proved how much worse poo poo could be proves Obama was careful in choosing how the drones were used. And if that's the case and you're still gonna criticize, then yeah, you are gonna have to present a better alternative. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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Please quote the Goons in this thread that engaged in the kinds of blanket dismissals hyperbole you are alleging here. Because from my point of view view you are confusing being considered an equal as persecution/criticism (textbook white fragility). All you need to disprove my charge here is simply quote the Goons who are displaying this clear hatred of all things education and Ivy League.
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Kilroy posted:All else being equal, I would say sure, let's support groups in that region who are fighting against tyranny and let's do that with no strings attached either in a political or economic sense (or if you must be rationally self-interested with the understanding that a peaceful region free of tyranny is in our best interests as well). However I do not trust this government to do that, nor do I trust the boundless generosity of the American people - who I will remind you recently elected some rear end in a top hat who suggested we "take their oil" - to commit to such a strategy. So yes, nothing. This is the most reasonable post I think I've ever seen you make, and I generally agree with this idea while we have poo poo people like Trump in charge, but what about when there are actual adults making decisions?
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Refried Hero posted:This is the most reasonable post I think I've ever seen you make, and I generally agree with this idea while we have poo poo people like Trump in charge, but what about when there are actual adults making decisions? Like if the Obama administration counts as "adults in charge" for you, well I have some bad news for you about their clear-headedness and benevolence in developing a strategy in the Middle East: they weren't loving able to do it either. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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Your Taint posted:McDonalds is never closed. At least mine isn't. From a ways back Long ago when I worked there, a group of us used to get together in the parking lot next door and troll people on Thanksgiving. Either we'd laugh at the people lined up at the speaker, or one of us would go pull up and watch the line back up. You'd be surprised just how many people want to go to McD's on turkey day
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Kilroy posted:Maybe you're just not smart enough for this stuff, Refried Hero. Alright dude, you haven't really addressed anything beyond saying you feel like what we are doing with drones is the wrong thing to do. Your previous post almost made me forget about all the dumb poo poo you post usually, but here this one is to remind me. Thanks, I guess. Trump won't be in charge forever and, assuming humans still exist then, progressives will come to power again at some point. Radicalization of people in general is something that needs to be addressed and one area this is a major problem is where western societies have intervened. Just leaving will not work. I agree that one of the best possible options is to unconditionally support fledgeling democracies in the area (like the Kurds), but that is not a possible solution with the current government we have and looking backwards and saying we did the wrong things in the past doesn't really help now either. Edit: some grammar mistakes
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Enkmar posted:Can you please just loving live closer to your work No problem, I'll just move to orange county, cost of living is no factor, should be no problem. Also shut up.
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Prester Jane posted:You know fuckall about the real world because you have been too chickenshit to ever leave your privileged bubble. There are fundamental aspects of the human experience and human behavior that you have no concept of because you have never known any deprivation. That is something that those of us in this thread who know a bit about suffering can see clearly in your thinking; you are incredibly naive and have the particular arrogance that is only sustained by a life of uninterrupted abundance. You are also deeply insecure about the slightest of perceived criticisms because you don;'t know anything about what actual pain or persecution is like. I don't need to leave my "privileged bubble" to believe that your average person admitted to Harvard is above the smartness level of 50th percentile of people, which is what "often" somewhat implies. There are many children of wealthy, privileged, well-connected people that didn't get into Harvard. There wasn't a single person in my graduating class that got into Harvard. Beyond that, I don't know a single person from my childhood area that got into Harvard -- and that includes people from varying wealth, privilege, and connectedness. It may be comforting to believe that everything equal you'd be admitted to the <1% or whatever of graduating seniors that go to ivy league schools. And that you're just as "smart" as them. There are injustices and wrongs in the world, but maybe it just ain't in the cards. Maybe if my parents were college graduates and lived in Manhattan with the ability to pay for fancy ivy-level extracurriculars I would have had a better shot. But realistically I'm probably just not that "smart." I just don't find it useful to bitch and moan about how all ivy league graduates are actually dumb and bad. Claiming that Harvard graduates are more often that not dumber than your average person is included in that, as a rational human being could look at admission rates and determine that not to be true. While there are the Kushners and Mnuchins of the world, these individuals are generally not your enemy. Fight against the systems that enable generational wealth and privilege, but calling a hypothetical centrist Cornell chem major naive/arrogant and someone "dumber the average person" that only obtained their education through privilege and grift isn't helping your cause. KingNastidon fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Why does ISIS exist, friend Refried Hero? Because for some goddamn reason, America decided the government of Iraq was in any way competent. They, in turn, decided to free all of Isis's top leadership from Bucca, and to disband and repress the Sons of Iraq, because of sectarianism. As in any situation where you remove the only natural predator, the vermin flourished. Oh, wait, sorry, it was "because of eeeevil AMericans forcing the noble people to band together against the dreaded American imperialism, which caused the people of Iraq to cry out in joy as one" Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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We've all seen what happens when a terror group has a safe enclave to operate from. Al Quaeda had Afghanistan in the 90s/early 2000s and planned and coordinated 9/11 from there. ISIS had Syria and Iraq just a few years ago and planned numerous attacks from there like the Paris attacks. So if we are to simply leave these areas, then attacks on Western countries are sure to increase. Can we at least all agree on that? So what do we do then? Just live with it?
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Refried Hero posted:Alright dude, you haven't really addressed anything beyond saying you feel like what we are doing with drones is the wrong thing to do. Your previous post almost made me forget about all the dumb poo poo you post usually, but here this one is to remind me. Thanks, I guess.  and anyway I edited my post.I don't know if you realize it or care, but you're presenting a false dilemma here and we're not buying it. You asked "what else can we do?" and were given an answer, and now you're just imposing arbitrary constraints on it so you can justify continued warmongering. Do you think the rest of us are too stupid to see this transparently obvious thing? The American state as currently constituted (and that includes not just its national government but also the people responsible for forming it i.e. the electorate) lack the credibility, the means, and the strategic acumen necessary to intervene in the Middle East in a positive way. When confronted with this fact, your reaction is apparently "so what? we just have to keep bombing them, then?" which reflects poorly on your character. Sorry about that. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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KingNastidon posted:I just don't find it useful to bitch and moan about how all ivy league graduates are actually dumb and bad. i lived with a harvard grad and he literally did not know how to change a lightbulb. he had never had to do it or even think about it good guy, pretty smart but with a suspicious and hilarious hole in his knowledge. it's like if he didn't know how to tie his shoe
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