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Skwirl posted:Can we make Trouble the terrible joke comic we recommend to people instead of Avengers 200? at least the sex in that one is consensual. X-O posted:I think it should be Marville. Everyone should experience that. I legitimately like both of these, you monsters. There's even written proof thanks to Gavok and the late 4thletter
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Isn't the worst thing about Trouble just the gross coquettish teen model covers?
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Nov 23, 2017 11:37
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Reading the wikipedia to Trouble and wtf were Marvel thinking
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Nov 23, 2017 12:43
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Teenage Fansub posted:Isn't the worst thing about Trouble just the gross coquettish teen model covers? Yeah. It's basically just a sex farce that uses the names "May" and "Ben".
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Nov 23, 2017 12:48
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The idea of Marvel execs coming up with getting Mark Millar to do Trouble to appeal to girls and women is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Marvel_Trouble_1.jpg quote:These covers were to appeal to a female audience (Marvel originally hoped for high sales outside the comic scene, particularly with a collected edition that was to be heavily promoted in many bookstores, but never published after the series did not do well in the direct market). Hmm yes I can see many women were involved in the process here Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Nov 23, 2017 |
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Nov 23, 2017 12:52
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In the early 2000s he'd come off of a pretty great all-ages Superman run. At one time you could have considered him versatile.
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Nov 23, 2017 13:14
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Well the idea of doing a series that's targeted at young girls and women related to Spider-Man isn't a bad idea in general, the execution was just godawful. I mean, even the Dodsons were perfect for the job. Hell, just a few months after Trouble ended, the first issue of what would become Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane was released. And I maintain that series still holds up to this day. (With the exception of the non-McKeever stuff).
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Nov 23, 2017 16:36
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Yeah, I can't fault them for trying, but boy does this look like a scene from that Mel Gibson movie, What Women Want.
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Nov 23, 2017 17:00
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Marvel trying to get that manga money was pretty funny, but at least we got Runaways out of it.
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Nov 23, 2017 17:56
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Open Marriage Night posted:Marvel trying to get that manga money was pretty funny, but at least we got Runaways out of it. I was thinking about this the other day and was trying to think of what great comics came out of terrible or failed imprints? Runaways came out of Tsunami and Transmet came out of Helix.
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Nov 23, 2017 18:07
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Teenage Fansub posted:Isn't the worst thing about Trouble just the gross coquettish teen model covers? It's also painfully unfunny and dumb.
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Nov 23, 2017 18:58
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Madkal posted:I was thinking about this the other day and was trying to think of what great comics came out of terrible or failed imprints? Runaways came out of Tsunami and Transmet came out of Helix. Hard Time, a series from Steve Gerber, came out of DC Focus. I like it.
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Nov 23, 2017 19:08
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Open Marriage Night posted:Marvel trying to get that manga money was pretty funny, but at least we got Runaways out of it. Sentinel was fun as well.
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Nov 23, 2017 19:08
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Rhyno posted:Sentinel was fun as well. RIP Livewires
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Nov 23, 2017 21:09
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Soonmot posted:RIP Livewires Adam Warren absolutely kept trying to make "all the abandoned robots/tech in this world with sentience have their own subculture" a thing. See also: Iron Man: Hypervelocity (the final issue of which is probably one of my favorite ideas in all of Marvel) The series has followed a failsafe suit launched with an AI fashioned after Tony's brain when the real one is incapacitated. Over the course of the issues it realizes "wait I don't need the limiters or protections that save human-Tony from G forces or heat or whatever" and it's been upgrading itself past its limits, as the person who attacked the real guy reveals itself. The last issue is the rogue AI vs. the Tony AI on a SHIELD helicarrier over the course of 3:30 in scaled-back time with occasional glimpses from the view of the loving terrified humans on the ship watching this dervish go down and unable to comprehend it. The grounding point for the timescale is that Tonybot is listening to Search and Destroy for the entire battle.
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Nov 23, 2017 21:44
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Madkal posted:I was thinking about this the other day and was trying to think of what great comics came out of terrible or failed imprints? Runaways came out of Tsunami and Transmet came out of Helix. Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane I'd argue was successful - 28 issues isn't bad at all. Ditto Spider-Girl for the MC2, considering that title managed to reach 100 issues and then got relaunched twice. If you want to take the long view, Ultimate Spider-Man outlasted every other Ultimate book (although the question of when its dropoff in quality began is A Matter Of Some Debate).
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Nov 23, 2017 22:51
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END ME SCOOB posted:Adam Warren absolutely kept trying to make "all the abandoned robots/tech in this world with sentience have their own subculture" a thing. See also: Iron Man: Hypervelocity (the final issue of which is probably one of my favorite ideas in all of Marvel) How many times has Tony fought an empty suit come to life? Because that makes 3 off the top of my head
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Nov 23, 2017 23:56
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Oh, no, the empty suit is the good guy. The actual Tony is basically in surgery for the entire miniseries.
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Nov 24, 2017 00:23
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END ME SCOOB posted:Adam Warren absolutely kept trying to make "all the abandoned robots/tech in this world with sentience have their own subculture" a thing. See also: Iron Man: Hypervelocity (the final issue of which is probably one of my favorite ideas in all of Marvel) Gothic Lolita teamed up with, I think, Deadpool in the last couple years. I remember that.
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Nov 24, 2017 03:13
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Teenage Fansub posted:Isn't the worst thing about Trouble just the gross coquettish teen model covers?
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Nov 24, 2017 04:22
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CapnAndy posted:I think you're thinking of the Emma Frost prequel series, which was actually pretty good and could have appealed to teen girls except every cover was softcore porn. Same for the BKV Mystique series. They both had lovely Greg Horn covers.
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Nov 24, 2017 04:40
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Man, I used to be a big fan of Rurouni Kenshin and hearing that the creator is a pedo really sucks. I don't know if I'll ever be able to enjoy it again.
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Nov 24, 2017 04:49
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muscles like this! posted:Man, I used to be a big fan of Rurouni Kenshin and hearing that the creator is a pedo really sucks. I don't know if I'll ever be able to enjoy it again. quote:Watsuki is quoted as telling authorities, “I liked girls from the upper grades of elementary school to around the second year of junior high school.” Christ.
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Nov 24, 2017 05:08
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CapnAndy posted:I think you're thinking of the Emma Frost prequel series, which was actually pretty good and could have appealed to teen girls except every cover was softcore porn. That series had some too, but he's definitely right about Trouble: http://www.comicbookdb.com/title_covergallery.php?ID=870
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Nov 24, 2017 05:08
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https://twitter.com/BenjaminJS/status/933829844265205765
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Nov 24, 2017 09:41
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The Bugle's gonna have a field day with this.
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Nov 24, 2017 10:24
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Roth posted:You don't have to read Watchmen. Just watch the movie and read sone essays Madkal posted:I was thinking about this the other day and was trying to think of what great comics came out of terrible or failed imprints? Runaways came out of Tsunami and Transmet came out of Helix. e: She-Hulk was also a victim of those Greg Horn covers. They were so bloody awful. irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Nov 24, 2017 15:25
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Greg Horny is a truly repugnant artist.
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Nov 24, 2017 16:57
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I don't want to poo poo up the DC thread, but what the gently caress, Doomsday Clock? Johns aping Moore's style was ridiculous. I don't know exactly what I expected, but yuck.
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Nov 24, 2017 18:58
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Soonmot posted:I don't want to poo poo up the DC thread, but what the gently caress, Doomsday Clock? Johns aping Moore's style was ridiculous. I don't know exactly what I expected, but yuck. poo poo it up. Everyone has different opinions.
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Nov 24, 2017 20:12
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 Good mail day today
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Nov 24, 2017 20:44
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I think low-key Tsunami was actually a pretty good set of comics that gets remembered as a fiasco because Marvel was really flinging out a lot of experiments at the time and "let's do a Manga line!" was dumb marketing and they killed the Tsnami branding after a year. But really, the complete line of Tsunami-branded titles was: - Runaways, one of the more universally acclaimed series/new characters of the past fifteen years - Mystique/Sentinel/Inhumans, generally well-liked books that helped launch Brian K Vaughn and Sean McKeever's careers - Emma Frost, which as mentioned was a solid YA-style book with awful softcore covers - Human Torch, which I don't remember being terribly well received but was Skottie Young's first big break The only real stinkers in the batch were Daniel Way's quote:THE PULSE: You've got a lot of different projects coming out from Marvel. How tough is it to write for various audiences and be working on a variety of comics instead of just one genre and style?
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Nov 24, 2017 22:58
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Wow, what an absolute cretin! I've never read any of his work before (thankfully), but I just looked him up, and he never ended up writing Ant-Man after all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Way Was that because of this terrible interview, or did other things transpire?
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Nov 24, 2017 23:03
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Retro Futurist posted:
drat, crazy good haul
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Nov 24, 2017 23:03
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Edge & Christian posted:since I looked it up here is that Daniel Way Ant-Man interview:
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Nov 24, 2017 23:04
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I will forever be irritated that Trouble was not a The Trouble With Girls relaunch.
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Nov 24, 2017 23:28
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Wow, what an absolute cretin! I've never read any of his work before (thankfully), but I just looked him up, and he never ended up writing Ant-Man after all: Like a lot of the "expansion" publishing initiatives, MAX had a lot of chaos and not-great planning behind it, and there's an excellent chance that played the prime role in green lighting then canceling the Ant-Man MAX book. Daniel Way was working on several Marvel books prior to that interview, and only got higher-profile gigs (Wolverine Origins, Deadpool) in the years following, writing consistently for almost a decade after that interview. If anything, maybe some higher-up caught wind of the Ant-MAX book because of the ado about this interview, and since this woul have been right around the time the early plans for Marvel Studios/Marvel Films would have been percolating, nixed having an Avenger (one of the few characters they held the rights to back in 2003-4) and potential film star in a book about buttfucking and used panties. Actually looking it up, this would have been around the time Edgar Wright first pitched what (eventually, circuitously) would turn into the 2015 "Ant-Man as Struggling Family Man" film, so I wouldn't be shocked at all if that's the case. I know they killed off Scott Lang and did that Irredeemable Ant-Man book a few years later, but even that seemed like a dunderheaded attempt to sort of finesse Ant-Man into a "clean" film franchise status quo, even if Kirkman forgot to ever get around to the "heart of gold" part of the scoundrel.
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Edge & Christian posted:since I looked it up here is that Daniel Way Ant-Man interview: Cocaine's a helluva drug
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Nov 24, 2017 23:39
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My comic shop was having an amazing deal on backorders today. $1 per comic. He said he just need to make space. I didn't know Jim Zub was doing a Samurai Jack comic, but I bought their entire stock. I also didn't know that guy had an employee. That employee, well. Listen, the main seller has opinions but he always tries to avoid shiting on anything. He may have a negative opinion, but he also knows he's trying to sell poo poo. Sure, we'll shoot the poo poo about making fun of Civil War II, but this kid was saying how Doomsday Clock is the radioactive glow of the death of the comic book industry. When you're still trying to sell that loving book, don't say that poo poo. Sure, we both already had a copy, but keep your mouth shut. Don't mislead people, and be honest if you think they may not like something, but also remember that you sell poo poo for a living. Like, you shouldn't lie to customers cuz that hurt you in the long run, but probably temper your feelings and talk more neutral.
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Thinking of failed line launches and what not I remember DC You being considered a dud even though it had critically acclaimed books like Martian Manhunter, Midnighter and the super excellent too good for it's time Prez. Also Daniel Way is a hack who pretended to be a bad boy but thought the best way to have that image was to say gently caress a lot.
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