I'd say the old discipline bonuses are just rolled into the new ones. I.e. so we shouldn't double dip on ep gain if we take Curing. If we don't overwrite a discipline with its upgrade then we should still benefit from it. Solarius sounds like a good set of skills, we should go for that.
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There's no need to vote for specific disciplines or lore circles yet, we're just voting on which way we'll be choosing them at this stage. We'll pick which actual disciplines or circle to take in the next vote. (If you specified a particular circle already then I'll count that as a vote for lore circles in general). And if we do keep our Kai powers, they will be overwritten by the relevant Magnakai powers. So if we get Curing we'll still only get 1 EP per section regardless of whether we're still counting Healing or not. We won't be able to use Healing and Curing at the same time to recover twice as fast.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 02:55 |
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Circles and Retain.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 03:25 |
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Tiggum posted:We obviously still have our Kai Disciplines and the text of the books will refer to them at times, but those abilities listed above are not mentioned in the rules as printed in the Magnakai series books. So do we get to keep them, or do we start from scratch? I vote start from scratch. I always interpreted it like: whether or not you actually played any of the earlier gamebooks, the Magnakai series rests on the assumption that Lone Wolf has already completed these earlier missions and become a Kai Master. So whatever new and greater challenges we encounter in these books should be already balanced around the idea that Lone Wolf has all this innate healing and weaponskill, etc. As for the skills, let's aim for a Circle at least here at the start when we're picking out a few at once.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 04:23 |
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I could be wrong, but I *think* that the books make a lot of reference to Mindblast quite often (aka, this creature is immune to Mindblast, but not Psi-surge). Indicating we keep them. Also, we cannot go into this series without Weaponmastery! We Will Have A Bow And Wish To Use it. So my vote is not to start with a circle but choose individual skills.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 05:27 |
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Comstar posted:I could be wrong, but I *think* that the books make a lot of reference to Mindblast quite often (aka, this creature is immune to Mindblast, but not Psi-surge). Indicating we keep them. The rules specifically say you can either use Mindblast or pay EP to kick up to Psi-Surge in the Psi-Surge section, so that doesn't help anything (and arguably cuts the other way since they don't mention that for Curing or Weaponskill etc).
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 05:35 |
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Also with Weaponmastery, we not only get to choose our starting weapon proficiency, but we get to add one (and eventually get them all, like with the disciplines in general). Not that it's likely to come up often since we'll be carrying over the Sommerswerd (and, if I know my goons, Wishing To Use Our Bow) anyway. But if we get a wild hair up our nose in one of these books and decide to fool around a warhammer or a quarterstaff just to prove we can, there's still a potential +3 CS bonus to be had.Bifauxnen posted:I vote start from scratch. I always interpreted it like: whether or not you actually played any of the earlier gamebooks, the Magnakai series rests on the assumption that Lone Wolf has already completed these earlier missions and become a Kai Master. So whatever new and greater challenges we encounter in these books should be already balanced around the idea that Lone Wolf has all this innate healing and weaponskill, etc. I also agree with this, generally. Also in a meta-sense it's more fun to strategize with backpack space and the Healing/Hunting combo almost makes that game play element redundant, so I say we ditch those bonuses. I'm also inclined to ditch weaponskill since the Sommerswerd is beast enough anyway (and already carries the +2 Weaponskill bonus if you have it in swords if I recall the Sommerswerd rules section from Book 2 correctly). Mindblast I'm fine with letting us still use since the game rules specifically call it out as a case of you having the option to either go low power or pay the cost for High Power.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 06:32 |
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I'm also not making any input on discipline choice because I read the poo poo out of these books as a kiddo and even just following this thread has caused me to remember too much meta-knowledge. So I'll just be over in the corner making my personal trip down memory lane if you don't mind. The rules do say we can complete any book no matter what our starting stats/skills are, after all
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 06:36 |
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Same. I was heavily involved with the last thread, so for the most part from now on I'm just going to sit back and see who else gets us killed six times in this next book.
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Mister Perky posted:I'm also inclined to ditch weaponskill since the Sommerswerd is beast enough anyway (and already carries the +2 Weaponskill bonus if you have it in swords if I recall the Sommerswerd rules section from Book 2 correctly). Here's the relevant footnote from Project Aon: "The Sommerswerd is a weapon-like Special Item. The +10 COMBAT SKILL bonus referred to for Weaponskill is a combination of the +8 COMBAT SKILL that the Sommerswerd grants naturally and +2 for Weaponskill with Short Sword, Sword, or Broadsword (as each of them grant proficiency with the Sommerswerd). It is not an additional bonus. When used in combat, treat it like a one-handed sword, regardless of Weaponskill bonus. The text or footnotes will always remind you to double your enemy’s ENDURANCE point loss if it is undead." Mister Perky posted:I'm also not making any input on discipline choice because I read the poo poo out of these books as a kiddo and even just following this thread has caused me to remember too much meta-knowledge. So I'll just be over in the corner making my personal trip down memory lane if you don't mind. Materant posted:Same. I was heavily involved with the last thread, so for the most part from now on I'm just going to sit back and see who else gets us killed six times in this next book.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 07:16 |
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Keep 'em and revel in our god-power as a reward for slogging through these five books, pick freely We'll probably need everything we can get... eventually.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 08:18 |
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Retain bonuses Fire and Solaris have a synergy, go with below to complete Fire this book and Solaris next book Weaponmastery: Bow Huntmastery Pathsmanship <--- also this Jackard fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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Tiggum posted:Attack Haakon with anything but the Sommerswerd and you'll find out why you should have been paying attention back in book two when it said "It is the only weapon in all of Magnamund that can kill a Darklord". A few books later then, we'll find out that this is not true, because all the Darklords possess weapons that can kill each other. And we have the option to eliminate a couple with the Dagger of Vashna, which I don't remember if there was anoption to use in this combat... As for the Skill I say Keep Weaponmastery (Bow), Huntmastery and Invisibility. So one Circle is completed and we'll be in a good point to complete a second one. Guy Fawkes fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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Retain the bonuses. Having those as a bonus for doing the previous books doesn't seem too out of line. Vote for circles, not because I care that much about circle bonuses but because it has a good chance of simplifying the actual voting process.
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# ? Nov 24, 2017 21:11 |
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No bonuses for previous abilities. Let the circle be unbroken, by the Kai, oh, by the Kai.
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# ? Nov 25, 2017 01:34 |
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Retain bonuses, pick freely. Picking Weaponmastery, Huntmastery (completes Circle of Fire), then get Nexus.
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# ? Nov 25, 2017 15:39 |
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So I'm not so great with reading and kinda skimmed over the initial choice post. Lemme revise.Jackard posted:Retain bonuses Skills (not circles) Weaponskill (bow, sword, hammer) Huntmastery Pathsmanship
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# ? Nov 26, 2017 07:20 |
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OK, back to Legends. Let's talk about our straw-haired buddy: Banedon At the start of Eclipse of the Kai, he's sent out by the Guildmaster of the Brotherhood of the Crystal Star to warn the Kai of Vonotar's treachery. Vonotar commits the sin of studying both left-handed (good) and right-handed (bad) magic to become more powerful, and when the good guys balk he detonates an elder and high-tails it to the Darklands. More on him at another time, though. Banedon mostly stumbles through this little intro chapter, meeting people that he briefly helps out before they're graphically slaughtered by the Kraan et al and hiding in the woods. He eventually encounters Lone Wolf in some ruins, where the two of them dispatch a pack of Giak before exchanging introductions/condolences and parting ways. These initial adventures are detailed in the mini CYOA adventure included in the Magnamund Companion. Anyhow, on his way he encounters a mysterious omnipotent manic pixie dream girl named Alyss. She'll have her own entry in a little bit (involving Lone Wolf's death), but suffice it to say for now she speaks repeatedly of the future she and Banedon will share and buffs his magic sufficiently to get him home safely at the end of the day. After returning, he slowly rises through the ranks and actually serves as the final pupil to Loi Kymar (the Brotherhood dude we rescued in book 3) in his final months, and picks up a slug of "second level magic" before Loi shuffles off the mortal coil. He has an adventure to Vassagonia prior to Lone Wolf's excursion, but to fully discuss that we need to meet Qinifer. All in good time.
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# ? Nov 26, 2017 07:38 |
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OK, the results are in and we've decided to keep our Kai abilities (10-3) and to pick a Lore Circle to complete (8-5). So it's time for book six!The Kingdoms of Terror posted:The Story So Far … OK, let's start with our equipment. We get an additional 18 Gold Crowns, bringing our total to 50 (which is the maximum amount we can carry) and a new map. We also get to pick up to five of the following:
Next we need to choose our Magnakai Disciplines. We voted to complete a Lore Circle as soon as possible, so we need to decide which one it'll be; Fire, Light, Solaris or Spirit?
If we choose Spirit then we're not going to be able to get all four Disciplines required, so (regardless of which circle you actually vote for) you can also vote for which of the four Spirit Disciplines you least want. Weaponmastery also lets you pick three weapons (out of spears, daggers, maces, short swords, warhammers, bows, axes, swords, quarterstaves & broadswords - the Sommerswerd counts as sword, short sword and broadsword) to get a bonus with, so if you pick it then specify that as well. So your vote should look something like this: quote:I want to pick up the potion of laumspur, the bow and quiver and the rope. I want to put the new potion straight into storage along with the meal of laumspur and the jewelled mace. Tiggum fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Nov 29, 2017 |
# ? Nov 27, 2017 03:38 |
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Circle of Fire, Pathsmanship. Bow, normal sword, hammer Bow, sommerswerd
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 05:00 |
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Circle of Solaris. Bow instead of Jeweled Mace. Short Sword, Bow , & Spear for Weapon Mastery.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 09:35 |
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Circle of Fire, Invisibility. (We're a Predator. Only we don't get the FWASHLAMP when we switch eye colour). We Will Have A Bow And We Will Wish To Use It, Sword, dagger Bow, Sommerswerd Padded Leather Waistcoat (+2 EP, replaces chainmail), Quiver and Arrows
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 09:57 |
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Circle of Fire plus Nexus. We will be forest Jedi-ninja. Picking Weaponmastery in Sword, Bow, Dagger. Stash the Mace and all the potions except for 1 Laumspur. We want the backpack space for fresh loot. Get Bow, Quiver, Laumspur, Rope, Meal, so that should leave us with the Bow and the Sommerswerd as our weapons. anakha fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Nov 28, 2017 |
# ? Nov 27, 2017 10:35 |
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Circle of the Spirit leaving out Nexusanakha posted:Picking Weaponmastery in Sword, Bow, Dagger.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 10:43 |
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Mmmm..... Skills: Circle of Fire + Invisibility. Weaponmastery: Bow, Sword, Dagger. Items: In the Storage the Jeweled Mace goes, with the Meal of Laumspur and 2 Potion of Alether. Take Bow (+ Quiver and Arrows), Sommerswerd, Rope.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:35 |
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Ratatozsk posted:Circle of Fire Guy Fawkes posted:Invisibility. Comstar posted:Bow, Sommerswerd This puts our Combat Skill up to 33 while our Endurance remains 32. And with that we're ready to begin our quest for the Lorestone of Varetta. The Kingdoms of Terror posted:The courtyard of the Kai Monastery is strangely silent the morning you begin the quest. A blanket of frost sparkles on the battlements and the air is crisp and clear as you guide your horse down the steep hill track that disappears into the Fryelund Forest. It is only a little later when you look back to see the tall grey towers of your stronghold silhouetted against the sky. You bid a silent farewell before entering the densely packed trees. You do not look back again.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 15:04 |
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North Gate
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South Gate
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South
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 16:28 |
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It seems we are going west so south is left. What is that on the third shield?
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 17:27 |
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I think it might be an attempt at something like a lantern shield or scissor, with a flail or mace instead of a sword, and a wing as the shield? Or it's a stylised pegasus' hindquarters? WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Kanthulhu posted:What is that on the third shield? A spur over a wing.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 18:15 |
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lol I wasn't close at all.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 18:18 |
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Think it’s a spur.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 18:23 |
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Ratatozsk posted:Think it’s a spur. Yeah I guess it could just be a winged spur.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 18:34 |
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Qinifer If nothing else, Qinifer is a character of color. I don't think it's fair to say that this makes up for the volumes and volumes of swarthy foes dispatched in the CYOA series, but it's something. Anyhow, she's just a regular old peasant girl who sees her family graphically slaughtered in front of her. She hides under a bed until the raid passes and then extricates herself and begins to wander. This wandering quickly turns bloody and through the course of making her way to Holmgard she begins to reveal an innate aptitude in some basic Kai practices. Most pointedly, she slaughters a shitload of the spawn of the Darklords, including putting a Helghast to flight after he leers at her while she bathes. So that's creeperific. She's immediately enlisted upon making it to Holmgard and rises quickly through the ranks. In fact she is so well received that they briefly consider sending her to get the Somerswerd rather than Lone Wolf. Granted, she does seem to have a spark of the Kai within her, but it does seem a bit risky given that a non-Kai hand wielding the Somerswerd purportedly snuffs its power out for good. As we all know, LW goes a-questing and she stays to guard the homefront with some spectacularly successful military maneuvers against the spawn of the darklands before Zagarna gets nuked. After the war ends, she heads off to help rebuild the Kai Monastery and Order with Lone Wolf. When he gets kidnapped by Haakon for a few years (more on this later), she keeps things from falling apart, and the two of them build a very close relationship. As noted earlier, she accompanies Banedon on a little quest to Vassagonia and discovers a portal allowing hellspawn to enter the city which helps set the stage for Shadow on the Sand. OK, I think after a brief...ish entry on Alyss we'll have all the major characters on board and can start to talk about the spectacularly unfortunate misadventures of Lone Wolf hidden behind the scenes and catch up to the thread's progress. I will offer this caveat now - Legends stops well short of the end of the Magnakai series, so get yourself ready to be left hanging on some weird points.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 19:21 |
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Ratatozsk posted:Qinifer I must admit I've never understood Quinifer as a character; she always felt to me like a filler, something added but without giving anything to the plot, but it could've been me all along. By the way North.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 20:11 |
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Ratatozsk posted:In fact she is so well received that they briefly consider sending her to get the Somerswerd rather than Lone Wolf. Granted, she does seem to have a spark of the Kai within her, but it does seem a bit risky given that a non-Kai hand wielding the Somerswerd purportedly snuffs its power out for good. We can be pretty sure this has never been tested.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 23:23 |
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ulmont posted:We can be pretty sure this has never been tested. I think in one of the early books, someone tries to steal the 'Swerd from you, but it burns the poo poo out of him and he has to drop it. Granted, that's not wielding, but... Spoiled because I can't remember if that's a thing in the books we've read or the ones after.
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# ? Nov 28, 2017 23:28 |
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Qinifer would probably be an even better wielder for the Sommerswerd than Lone Wolf. What with her obvious Mary Sue ness and all.
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