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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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EU4 and Vicky 2 are great games for indulging in reverse settler revenge fantasies. although it's a lot harder to play catch up in Vicky 2.

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

EU4 and Vicky 2 are great games for indulging in reverse settler revenge fantasies. although it's a lot harder to play catch up in Vicky 2.

Extra points if you play a post-Sunset Invasion Aztec, which literally has a "kill whitey" idea

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.





also theres a weird rear end mod for hoi 4 where the soviets win the cold war and the us collapses into a bunch of different states and you can have supreme leader Bernie Sanders take over the northeast and bring the light of socialism to the americas :bernin:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Dreddout posted:

Extra points if you play a post-Sunset Invasion Aztec, which literally has a "kill whitey" idea

some guys figured out that Cado cultural ideas combined with the Aztec religious group is one of the most OP countries in the game, and you can easily beat off the Europeans until 1650, when morale still counts more than firepower.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Dreddout posted:

Yeah but it's arguably the most global of the modern paradox games. Even HOI is basically concerned with the major powers of WW2, to the point of Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Mexico having the exact same focus tree. EU at least has regional idea groups.

Typo's right, but it's also to offset Lazer Fairy being objectively the worst economic system in the game. Being able to subsidize/build factories is an insanely strong advantage that makes going free market absolutely insane.

Vic is mainly concerned with "balance" which is the reason ancaps exist in the 19 century and socialists can't pass social reforms.

Ur still wrong about Endless Legend

intervention/state capitalism is good earlier in the game, l-f is good late game especially if you are germany or usa cuz your capitalists builds so much stuff it doesn't matter if 50% it are glass factories in siberia. It's way too hard to manually build factories at that point

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

it's not hard, just time consuming. planned economy and state capitalism are always the best for developing countries, because there's no wasted production while trying to industrialize.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's not hard, just time consuming. planned economy and state capitalism are always the best for developing countries, because there's no wasted production while trying to industrialize.

if i wanted to micromanage everything i would play starcraft

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Dreddout posted:

Yeah but it's arguably the most global of the modern paradox games. Even HOI is basically concerned with the major powers of WW2, to the point of Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Mexico having the exact same focus tree. EU at least has regional idea groups.
Step 1: Download HOI-Darkest Hour.

Step 2: Install Kaiserreich.

Step 3: Play syndicalist Mexico.

Step 4: Invade the United States during the Second American Civil War and seize the West.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
tbf you can probably beat America as regular HoI4 mexico if you declare at the point where they have like 22 regiments.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

HerraS posted:

also theres a weird rear end mod for hoi 4 where the soviets win the cold war and the us collapses into a bunch of different states and you can have supreme leader Bernie Sanders take over the northeast and bring the light of socialism to the americas :bernin:

Red World? Seems like a cool idea but really incomplete so far, China doesn't even have a focus tree.

E: Also apparently Bernie is a cryptofascist and his whole focus tree branch is a ruse? I think the person who makes this mod might be insane.

Fallen Hamprince has issued a correction as of 02:11 on Nov 24, 2017

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's not hard, just time consuming. planned economy and state capitalism are always the best for developing countries, because there's no wasted production while trying to industrialize.

I like my games being games and not literal soviet gosplan planner simulation

that being said if you are playing like argentina or something then yeah absolutely go for state capitalism cuz there's like 5 factories instead of 5000

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
also in a lot of cases intervention/planned economy causes like a million factories losing money to exist and you are subsidizing all of them and your country is in like a zillion dollar worth of debt paying for it but you are afraid of unsubsidize cuz then your hard-won industrial score drops and also the unemployed craftsmen might revolt

it's basically latin american economic simulator

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Typo posted:

I like my games being games and not literal soviet gosplan planner simulation

There was a game that was specifically this, where the goal was to have an industrial base big enough to resist the German invasion in 1941, but the harder you pushed industrialization, the more people you killed through famine and failures of collectivization and suppression of dissent.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

E: Also apparently Bernie is a cryptofascist

Well yeah, he's a Social Democrat. :v:

Typo posted:

also in a lot of cases intervention/planned economy causes like a million factories losing money to exist and you are subsidizing all of them and your country is in like a zillion dollar worth of debt paying for it but you are afraid of unsubsidize cuz then your hard-won industrial score drops and also the unemployed craftsmen might revolt

it's basically latin american economic simulator
In my experience, it's pretty hard to go into debt even if you are subsidizing 20 failing factories.

The real protip is to Westernise China, then you don't even need factories cause you have millions of artisans pumping out high quality Chinese goods

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

The red world mod sucks and was made by a centrist monarchist lol

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Plutonis posted:

The red world mod sucks and was made by a centrist monarchist lol

idk what that means, but the guy’s ussr focus tree has like 3 different paths for making them fascist so I’m guessing he’s a nazi

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



98% of paradox players are turbofascist morons, this is nothing new

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Extremely normal fanbase in which 80% of players have at least one swastika mod installed

THS
Sep 15, 2017

stellaris is better because my displacement of billions of aliens is way more abstract, to me

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

aliens don't have human rights

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Endless Space 2 is on sale right now for 20 bux just fyi. I'm impressed that they've been doing free content updates since launch.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

it's good advertising. you get all the old players kicking up the game again and telling their friends about it.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

terraria has sold a shitload of copies on this model

e: or D3 if you want a higher-budget example

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

It's just nice to see a major 4X title doing free content updates, instead of succumbing to Paradox's DLC creep - and they just released another new EU4 expansion this month. The undiscounted EU4 collection bundle is 192 dollars. :psyduck:

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Endless Space 2 is on sale right now for 20 bux just fyi. I'm impressed that they've been doing free content updates since launch.

it’s about 4 euro if you have access to a third world currency bank card it’s great

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

it’s about 4 euro if you have access to a third world currency bank card it’s great

Almost everything is cheapest in the ruble market.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

it’s about 4 euro if you have access to a third world currency bank card it’s great

can yoiu gift me it i'll make it up i'm sure

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Prav posted:

aliens don't have human rights

a bunch of fly-like bug refugees fled into my human galactic federation once and I instituted restrict reproductive rights on them because they looked evil and I didn't want them to take lebensraum from my human colonists who were on their way to breed humanity into the largest spieces in the galaxy

then I realized who the REAL monster was :(

Typo has issued a correction as of 00:38 on Nov 25, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Typo posted:

a bunch of fly-like bug refugees fled into my human galactic federation once and I instituted restrict reproductive rights on them because they looked evil and I didn't want them to take lebensraum from my human colonists who were on their way to breed humanity into the largest spieces in the galaxy

then I realized who the REAL monster was :(

Paradox Gamer Voice: it was the bugs

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

what kind of piece of poo poo axis is laissez faire/pluralistic?

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

this is kind of a mess

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
thiz iz pur' ideology

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Map these to SMAC factions so I can understand them

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Dreddout posted:

Map these to SMAC factions so I can understand them

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

what kind of piece of poo poo axis is laissez faire/pluralistic?

i'm guessing 'laissez faire' has more to do with social than economic policy, i don't imagine there are a whole lot of thatcherites in china

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 26 days!)

Fallen Hamprince posted:

i'm guessing 'laissez faire' has more to do with social than economic policy, i don't imagine there are a whole lot of thatcherites in china

Either way, a laissez faire attitude doesn't jive with pluralism in any sense of the word. Enforcements have to be guaranteed to maintain coexistence between pluralities, and treating it all hands-off invites unchecked power for the dominant group.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Either way, a laissez faire attitude doesn't jive with pluralism in any sense of the word. Enforcements have to be guaranteed to maintain coexistence between pluralities, and treating it all hands-off invites unchecked power for the dominant group.

Yes but that would require more to represent than a two dimensional graph, in this case it's one end of a continuum of more/less state repression.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

almost correct, except believers are bottom right instead of top left, "tradionalists" in china are basically the people who rambles on about how great things were back when china had an emperor and we just need to go back to reading confucian text in the 21st century. kinda like how evangelicals in america want things to back to the way they were sometime between 1850-1950.

also gaia is more equality advocate than mao lovers imo

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Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Either way, a laissez faire attitude doesn't jive with pluralism in any sense of the word. Enforcements have to be guaranteed to maintain coexistence between pluralities, and treating it all hands-off invites unchecked power for the dominant group.

this is like the chinese political spectrum laissez faire is a lot less libertarianish than what it means in the us

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