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Beatrice just performed a splendid bit of Magic. I'm a witch, though, so my vote can count as much as you want it to. That said, I don't want to double back later, so I think I'd like to see Trick first.
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Nov 25, 2017 21:07
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So way back in episode 4 it was proven that magic is real. And if Ange wants to imagine a Greek chorus of her That being said, I think I'd rather see trick ending first.
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Nov 25, 2017 21:13
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Magic is real, but for the sake of ending the LP on a happier (?) note, let's first see the ending where Ange decides it to be a trick, demonstrating that she has learnt nothing.
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Nov 25, 2017 21:35
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Magic is real. View the trick ending first.
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Nov 25, 2017 21:51
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It's magic, but let's see the trick ending first.
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Nov 25, 2017 22:19
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Magic is real, and a happy ending will happen because of love and belief and all these fine things. And Ange is a smart girl now, who'll get her brother back. However, ending the game on the trick ending would be depressing, so that one should go first.
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Nov 25, 2017 22:30
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It's a trick. We tell ourselves and each other white lies to get by; sometimes they are beautiful, and generally they are kindly meant. But let's believe in magic for one more day.
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Nov 25, 2017 22:51
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Obviously it's a trick, she never showed us her right hand was empty  But Battler seems to be pushing her towards magic, which means that's probably the "happy" or "better" ending, so let's see trick first and end on a high note.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:16
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ProfessorProf posted:There isn't a "both" button. I know, and that's what makes me a bad witch.  I know my personal choice is that magic is real, and also that I want to see the trick ending first because it's the one I have decided is less real.Basically what the mackerel said, but in reverse.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:17
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Magic is real, and should be what we end on so go with Trick first.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:31
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The mackerel?!
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Nov 25, 2017 23:34
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Just think of it as being a gangster alias. "I heard the Mackerel is back in town. You guys had better get out before... OH poo poo! SHE'S HERE!"
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Nov 25, 2017 23:43
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Magic is as real as you want it to be, but let's see how things unfold if Ange treats Beato's magic as a trick.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:51
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It's a trick because magic isn't real () and I'd like to see the magic end first.
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Nov 26, 2017 00:10
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I'd like to say "neither," since Beatrice never showed us her right hand, meaning there was no need for magic or tricks. However, since this is a binary choice, I'd say it was a trick, though the trick was not the appearance of the candy, but the assertion that something unnatural even occurred. And since magic sounds like a nicer ending, let's see the trick ending first.
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Nov 26, 2017 00:59
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It is with a heavy heart that I betray my magical avatar and choose it's a trick. Simply accepting that it is magic means that you stop short of fully understanding it - think where we'd be if Battler simply gave up in episode 1 or 2. Because the magic ending is likely to be the good one (as the expected answer), I'll say trick ending first
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Nov 26, 2017 01:16
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Thanks to some internet shenanigans I had almost missed my chance. Man the last few updates have been a ride and I am glad that my hope was not misplaced after all, even if the author sure likes to make things seem extremely bad. Though then again, where is the fun in hoping for a good ending if a bad one does not seem all but inevitable? (Though I suppose there are still some actual endings to go through, who knows how these will shape out) As for my vote, I will go with magic because as has been shown several times, magic can not just be a means to decieve someone with bad intentions, but also as a way to bring joy. Adding a little bit of "magic" to what is essentially giving a child candy is not a bad thing but instead can make a simple act of kindness even more meaningful to them. And I wonder if magic is also not to mean the act of knowingly "tricking" yourself, believing to talk or interact with something or someone who isn't there. And while most people would call it a delusion, I personally cannot blame someone for creating a person who can listen to their troubles and give advice by virtue of acting as if they were a step removed from the troubles of the person imagining them. As for which ending, I also agree to go with the trick ending first.
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Nov 26, 2017 01:48
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Well, it was a trick, obviously. But the greater question is: does it being a trick preclude it from being magic? I mean, consider the placebo effect; people think they're actually receiving medicine for what ails them, and it works- on a level slightly more than can be accommodated by the explanation of people just thinking they're sick. What of its greater cousin, the Make-A-Wish foundation, granting the wishes of children with terminal cancer; it's not just out of pity because those kids have barely begun to live, it's because these granted wishes do seem give some rallying power for to put the cancer into remission. And there is a movie out right now about the power of music to help the elderly remember... Fairy stories might be stories, but why do we tell these stories? Not to tell children that there are dragons, but that dragons can be beaten. And once a dragon is truly beaten... it seems to send out an energy to everyone else who fights dragons in their lives. And it makes us think that, someday, maybe all the dragons can be beaten, even the impossibly large ones with no visible weaknesses... maybe we won't die to melting icecaps and imbalanced weather. Maybe we will leave the earth one day. Maybe we will live to do something extraordinary. And when that feeling steals upon you, and it does actually manage to chase dread from your heart... what can that be called but magic? (Of course, having said all of that, I did acknowledge ti as a slight of hand trick... so since I said that first, I move we see Trick first.)
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Nov 26, 2017 02:03
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Although I'm kinda confused why the choice is broken into two questions, a trick is something a whore does for money. ... or candy! And even then, where did the candy come from? That's the illusion--er, magic. But since we don't have to worry about giving away trade secrets, let's get the trick ending out of the way first, because I'm assuming it's the 'bad' end. And because this wasn't accompanied by 80s European synth riffs or performed by an incompetent misogynist. 
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Nov 26, 2017 03:59
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I vote for trick because regardless of what Ange calls herself, she's still a human first and foremost. Humans have a lot of tricks they can use to get by. We're resilient like that, I'd like to think.
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Nov 26, 2017 04:45
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I checked in at the right time! It's magic! Or rather, this ending is about magic, and hope, and moving forward through pain. So I want to see the trick first! And after that, we can have our magic tea party, as is fitting of Ange finding the Single Truth and moving forward anyway. 
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Nov 26, 2017 05:51
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It's magic, but I'd like to see the trick ending first. God, I can't believe we're actually about to see an ending. How many years has it been since Beato's Wild Ride first began? What a trip it's been...ProfessorProf posted:
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"Beato. Don't act too cozy with my big brother. I still haven't accepted your relationship, got it?"
"*cackle*cackle*! It was your own foolishness to revive me! It's too late. My charming subordinates and I will be tormenting you until the day you die!! And I'll make you watch Battler flirt with me every day!!"
"Wah?!"
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Nov 26, 2017 05:55
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The first post went up September 14th, 2016. The full project took between 14 and 15 months and a great many hours of my spare time. I have had a great time and I love you all platonically, but I currently have no plans for another LP after this one.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:This thread is like the breakfast club. Dooooooon't you Foooorget about me ProfessorProf posted:The first post went up September 14th, 2016. The full project took between 14 and 15 months and a great many hours of my spare time. So it'll be four weeks instead of two before you start on another one. Got it.
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idonotlikepeas posted:So it'll be four weeks instead of two before you start on another one. Got it. don't call me out like that what if a girl sees this
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Don't worry, your secret is safe with me and a bunch of witches and detectives and the entire Internet.
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idonotlikepeas posted:Dooooooon't you Cut to a montage of the Umineko characters. Gohda and Kumasawa happy in the kitchen creating some new mackerel recipes. Kyrie beating everyone at clay pigeon shooting. Battler therapist diagnosing Genji with a severe case of butleritis (it's fatal). Kinzo cackling in front of a fireplace surrounded by Halloween decorations and the demon crew while Maria is having a good time.
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I could totally see Battler punching his fist in the air. Anyway, Ange's been tricked. It's all a trick. We can see that ending first, too. 
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E-flat posted:a trick is something a whore does for money. ... or candy! Um... Did you mean to write a different word there? Because it kind of seems like you did...
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Nov 26, 2017 10:01
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All right, according to the group consensus, we'll be starting with the Trick Ending.
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 BGM: Wingless I walked over to the door that represented the answer I had chosen. Then, I put the golden key into the keyhole, and turned to face everyone.   "...That's right. Sorry."I gripped the key tightly and twisted. Then, the key and the door flashed brilliantly... and slowly faded away. Beyond the door... was a strangely colored space. If I step into this, I'll reach the future I chose. Before taking that single step, I spoke without turning back.  "The Ushiromiya eagle never turns back. So I won't turn around, but I'll say this! Thank you, everyone. But this isn't goodbye! I'll always be with you all!!" "Yeah. You won't turn back. But we'll always be standing behind you." "...That's not it!! Despite it all, I still believe. I'm positive... that everyone will come back!!" "...Ange..." "That is good. Ange. I look forward to the day when we all meet again." "Ange, my adorable granddaughter. We may be away for some time. Here, don't forget this. It's your prize from that quiz party."  "...This was lying next to me when I woke up on the sofa, wasn't it? This was... my prize." "Take it back to the future with you, and treasure it." "Thanks, everyone."I... took a step forward. Forward... into the future.  BGM: None   Video: Good EndMy nose was filled with the smell of the sea. I must have been standing still for a very long time. This is... a point cutting through the sea. I was standing on the bow of a boat. I was still holding that thing.  "...Lady. If you stand around there too long, you'll freeze." BGM: The End of the World Captain Kawabata's face peered out at her.  "You can see it now. That's the old Ushiromiya family dock." "Whoo. Not even a trace of it left." "...I see. I've come back here. It's been a really long daydream... no, a long and windy side trip."No matter what sort of tales are woven and written about the past, they have nothing to do with my tale of the future. I swore to live life looking only to the future, without turning back. If swearing that has a purpose, then this hasn't all been just a daydream. And besides, I've brought many things back with me from that long side trip. Among those, there are even some things that are immediately useful.  "...But yeah, this isn't going to be useful for anything."  "...What was that?" "My regrets. I've shed my old shell." "So, with old Rokkenjima right in front of you, you're having a change of heart?" "...That's not what I meant. I meant I've had enough of being human." "?"I won't waste that long journey. I now have a new way to live. And that isn't as the human called Ushiromiya Ange. I am... reborn.  BGM: None  "Hmm? Sure, whatever you say."Captain Kawabata buried his face in the driver's seat. "...What is it, Lady? Why the troubled face?" "I feel like taking a step into a new life." "You already have." "True. If I could sell off all the Ushiromiya family wealth that's burdening me, maybe donating it to some charity, that would be a huge relief. Then, I'd finally be able to escape from the shell called Ushiromiya Ange." "...It seems a waste of all that money. You could do anything you wanted with it." "Who cares? My point is that I don't need it." "...That may be true. Then again, not everything that you'd be selling off belongs to you exclusively. For example..." "Are you talking about the Ushiromiya group stock?" "...That's right. They may be little more than scraps of paper to you, but doing something like that could shatter the whole company... I don't think my boss could bear to have that happen." "Yeah, I know. It's like that for the Sumaderas and President Okonogi alike. There are plenty of people who're in a tough spot because I can do as I please." "...There's no doubt that you're a VIP, Ange-san. Wouldn't it be better to stay hidden here, instead of doing something extravagant...?" "What would be the fastest and most convenient way to prevent this VIP from doing as she pleases, I wonder?" "...Hmm, what would be the best way...?! Well, we could break out the drinks, have a good time, and..." BGM: Lie-alaiaa "...Well, that may be true." "The Sumadera family is chasing me. They even managed to barge into President Okonogi's building with perfect timing. Someone leaked the fact that I was there." "Are you saying my boss sold you out? Then why would he give you a bodyguard?" "Since he doesn't know what sort of whims I'll act on, President Okonogi wants to have both the Sumadera family and me indebted to him. That way, he can sell information about me, let me slip out by a hair, and keep track of my whereabouts, having both me and the Sumadera family in his debt while keeping a trump card in his hand." "You're definitely over-thinking things there..."Amakusa wore a forced smile, trying to smooth things over.  "After that, you will kill the Sumadera hit men, and President Okonogi will have a trump card to use in negotiations with the Sumaderas. If I die, the Ushiromiya group will be stable for the time being. Plus, they'll be able to draw the line with the Sumadera family. On the other side, the Sumadera family itself will be able to neatly do away with Kasumi oba-san, the leader of their overenthusiastic radical faction. Both sides will finish their bargaining with a draw, and everyone'll be happy." "...Whew. That's a pretty interesting story you've thought up there." "The golf bag you brought with you. I've had a look at what's inside. Are you planning to start a war or something with all those guns? But it had a sniper rifle. Would a bodyguard who's always by my side really need something like that?" "Well, you never know what might happen..." "Why would a bodyguard, who works best when traveling light, choose to abandon his position for a whole day to get a gun like that, and right before we leave for Rokkenjima?" "...Lady, you're over-thinking this, okay...?" "When I reach Rokkenjima, you'll suggest that I go visit the place they died or something, getting me alone. That's the bait. The bait to lure in Sumadera Kasumi and the others waiting for me on Rokkenjima. After that, you'll use that ridiculously huge gun to round them up. The end." "...Well, what's wrong with rounding them up? Isn't that what a guard's supposed to do?" "In addition to a cutting-edge sniper rifle, you also had a modern German submachine gun." "Those are really handy. No matter how many people the Sumaderas have, I could round them all up, no trouble..." "There was one more. A handgun. Even though the sniper rifle and the submachine gun were the best and the newest models, the handgun alone is beat up and old-fashioned. See?"  "C, cut it out. This isn't funny..." "A handgun is something you're always supposed to have on your person, right? So, why would you go get a second handgun, and go to the trouble of getting an unusually old one? There's a theory that explains this. That is... that it's the same kind of gun Sumadera Kasumi and the others are using. This is a Tokarev. A gun once used by the Soviet military, which has gotten pretty popular in the Japanese underground. A very likely weapon for the Sumaderas to be using. Also, having Sumadera Kasumi die would be convenient for the Sumadera family as well. They could have leaked... no, exchanged information from their side as well. Therefore, it is possible that you knew beforehand that the Sumadera hit men would be using Tokarevs."Amakusa was speechless. Was he speechless because this was all true, or because he was stunned by the determination with which Ange pointed that gun at him? "The plan that you... no, the plan that all of you made together... It was to use me as bait to lure Sumadera Kasumi to an uninhabited island, to set it up so that both sides appeared to have finished each other off, and to settle everything nice and neat for both President Okonogi and the Sumadera family." "..."A single line of cold sweat dripped down Amakusa's forehead... With the wind whipping through her hair, Ange spoke coldly.  "...You haven't taken the safety off." "I know. Tokarevs don't have a safety." BGM: About Face It shot into his gut, making him double over in pain. Ange, who knew that he had a gun hidden in his pocket, plucked away his chances of a counterattack. Amakusa, with blood spurting from his forehead, did not close his eyes again. "...The perfect, easiest way to confirm a death, without even being a doctor." Kawabata, whose face went pale as he noticed the gruesome scene on the deck, stuck his face out. This time, Ange pointed the barrel of the gun at his forehead. "Before we left, you said that you needed more time because there was something wrong with the boat. However, if you've been bought, then we can say for sure that you were buying time so that Sumadera Kasumi could set up her ambush on Rokkenjima." "...I, I have no... no idea what you're talking about...!!" "You're a cat box, inside of which is a Kawabata who was bought and betrayed me, and a Kawabata who hasn't betrayed me. Now then, how can I kill the part that betrayed me?" "S, stop...!! Don't shoot...!!" "I just have to shoot the whole cat box to death." BGM: None Then, with a second bullet, she performed a perfect examination. She had... survived. Surely, she had survived the web of conspiracy that had been wrapped around her so skillfully. Ange returned to the bow of the boat, faced the strong winds head on, and peered into the future in front of her. The boat whose owner was gone... headed towards the endless horizon, on and on in a straight line. She prayed that the truth she truly desired to reach lay before her. Then, she heard the sound of clapping. The sound of clapping, on a boat where Amakusa and the captain were no more. However, Ange didn't look surprised. She calmly and slowly turned around.  BGM: L&D Circulation "...Oh, you're here, Erika." "Anytime there's someone who wants to expose the truth, I am there. *giggle*giggle*." "Hey, Erika." "What...?"The boat had already passed by Rokkenjima. The island's silhouette was now off in the distance. The boat headed towards the endless horizon, continuing on its endless journey. The new Witch of Truth announced the beginning of this endless journey to her fellow witch.   "Sounds splendid." "At the end, will there be a truth for me to find?" "After all this, just what sort of truth are you looking for?" "..." "..." "...Hmph. You're right. I know that the truth isn't worth anything. And there's one more thing I've figured out." "What's that?" "That bewildered look on Amakusa's face when his scheme was exposed. That was pretty good." "*giggle*!" BGM: Umineko no Naku Koro ni  THE END
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Nov 26, 2017 15:11
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A little justified double  to end the tale on. 
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Well, the second murder might have been justified or it might not. I guess the truth is in the catbox now.
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Zandar posted:Well, the second murder might have been justified or it might not. I guess the truth is in the catbox now. Uh, clearly Ange is the witch of Truth, and thus the killing was lawful, if extrajudicial. Just by the presence of Erika, this level of reasoning is possible for The Mackerel. What do you think, everyone?
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Nov 26, 2017 16:30
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So is this the good end to magic's bad end or to magic's best end? Because I'll admit, "Ange murders two people," while clearly justified by the excellent reasoning of the Witch of Truth, is perhaps less than ideal in terms of personal growth.
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Nov 26, 2017 16:40
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It's the <good> end.
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Poltergrift posted:So is this the good end to magic's bad end or to magic's best end? On the contrary, it shows that Ange wants to live and is actually exercising her intellect to preserve her life and liberty. I'd totally read about the adventures of Ange the pirate. I hope she finds Erika's pirate hat. 
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