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Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

JeffersonClay posted:

What


Yes, this is exactly why Franken resigning now would result in fewer victims coming forward. I have no idea what point you're trying to make and I don't think you do either. Like are you saying it makes no difference if more victims come forward? I think it does. There's a collective action problem here, and every victim that comes forward makes it easier for the next one to come forward. Resignations are intended to thwart that dynamic.

why is it important victims come forward to be smeared? That's why I'm saying this whole stupid argument is about either protecting men in power or shaming women for being victimized - you're salivating over getting more details on what he did.

Have you considered just visiting literotica.com instead?

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

What the holy gently caress. That's not something I wanted to read about today. The internet was a mistake.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

What the holy gently caress. That's not something I wanted to read about today. The internet was a mistake.

The internet is probably fine, if you remove comment sections, facebook and twitter.

I mean really, think about who's bright idea comment sections were. I bet you it involved the words "Marketing" and "Engagement"

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich
The forums are just one big comment section

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Boon posted:

The forums are just one big comment section

We know what we signed up for, terrible terrible people and things.

SA never risked Nuclear War for the sake of protecting Nazis.

JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich

Harik posted:

why is it important victims come forward to be smeared? That's why I'm saying this whole stupid argument is about either protecting men in power or shaming women for being victimized - you're salivating over getting more details on what he did.

Have you considered just visiting literotica.com instead?

I’m pretty sure “you just want more victims to come forward so you can jerk it to their plight” is the dumbest argument so far, and that’s saying a lot. It certainly beats “senate investigations are misogyny” and “it’s bad if democrats get more power to investigate sexual assault”. But at least you’re making a coherent argument, terrible as it may be, so you’re doing better than the majority of posters here.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


JeffersonClay posted:

I’m pretty sure “you just want more victims to come forward so you can jerk it to their plight” is the dumbest argument so far, and that’s saying a lot. It certainly beats “senate investigations are misogyny” and “it’s bad if democrats get more power to investigate sexual assault”. But at least you’re making a coherent argument, terrible as it may be, so you’re doing better than the majority of posters here.

is the rape apologist part of your red tag new? it really suits you

JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich

Condiv posted:

is the rape apologist part of your red tag new? it really suits you

I tend to view the criticism of idiots with terrible opinions as encouraging, so thanks!

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

JeffersonClay posted:

I tend to view the criticism of idiots with terrible opinions as encouraging, so thanks!
I mean, you're also the font from which all wrong ideas spring, so...

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


JeffersonClay posted:

I tend to view the criticism of idiots with terrible opinions as encouraging, so thanks!

personally, i find weak comebacks from slavery and rape apologists encouraging :)

JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich

Condiv posted:

personally, i find weak comebacks from slavery and rape apologists encouraging :)

I think you’d struggle to find a post where I’m apologizing for rape, and our forum is modded by someone who will defend the GULAG, so

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

I salute your bravery, jeffclay, in the face of dnd's oppressive mod regime and its clear anti-liberal bias

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


*rises. the only man standing in a field of seated comrads*

I will defend the GULAG.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

The Kingfish posted:

*rises. the only man standing in a field of seated comrads*

I will defend the GULAG.

Do you know who else supported forced labor for the state?

Hillary Clinton

:getin:

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Calibanibal posted:

I salute your bravery, jeffclay, in the face of dnd's oppressive mod regime and its clear anti-liberal bias

Which form of liberalism has Jefferson Clay been manifesting today? I would also like to remind you all that China provided a wonderful solution to liberalism.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

JeffersonClay posted:

and our forum is modded by someone who will defend the GULAG, so

tbf you make a persuasive argument for it yourself

Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000
These things usually come in threes, so what is JC going to defend next? Payday loans? Civil asset forfeiture? Genocide?

Rodatose
Jul 8, 2008

corn, corn, corn

JeffersonClay posted:

I tend to view the criticism of idiots with terrible opinions as encouraging, so thanks!

Basically "i'm a deplorable bc it triggers the libs"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Was there a net neutrality thread?

I keep seeing libertarians go on about how NN is an attempt to prop up monopolies like it's buried in the Title II. Where the hell does this idea keep coming from?

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Alan Smithee posted:

Was there a net neutrality thread?

I keep seeing libertarians go on about how NN is an attempt to prop up monopolies like it's buried in the Title II. Where the hell does this idea keep coming from?

libertarians have brain spiders hth

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

stone cold posted:

libertarians have brain spiders hth
Even spiders are smart enough to cooperate and act in concert for the betterment of the whole.

Libertarians are dumber than spiders.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Even spiders are smart enough to cooperate and act in concert for the betterment of the whole.

Libertarians are dumber than spiders.

having brain spiders does not mean being a spider you see

but also, you are technically correct

a wash

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Do you know who else supported forced labor for the state?

Hillary Clinton

:getin:

This is a good post and I thank you for making it, friend.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Just a reminder that the libertarians you encounter on the internet who mostly talk about drug decriminalization and ending mass incarceration and foreign wars are absolutely not representative of the ideology. The goofy college stoner libertarian is way less relevant or influential than the state's rights libertarians who absolutely do believe in social coordination and assistance - specifically in that they want the freedom to use local government more brutally than what is currently allowed. Here's famous libertarian Murray Rothbard calling for a program of "libertarian populism" back in 92. Some representative positions:

quote:

4. Take Back the Streets: Crush Criminals. And by this I mean, of course, not “white collar criminals” or “inside traders” but violent street criminals – robbers, muggers, rapists, murderers. Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment, subject of course to liability when they are in error.

5. Take Back the Streets: Get Rid of the Bums. Again: unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares? Hopefully, they will disappear, that is, move from the ranks of the petted and cosseted bum class to the ranks of the productive members of society.

quote:

8. Defend Family Values. Which means, get the State out of the family, and replace State control with parental control. In the long run, this means ending public schools, and replacing them with private schools. But we must realize that voucher and even tax credit schemes are not, despite Milton Friedman, transitional demands on the path to privatized education; instead, they will make matters worse by fastening government control more totally upon the private schools. Within the sound alternative is decentralization, and back to local, community neighborhood control of the schools.

Further: We must reject once and for all the left-libertarian view that all government-operated resources must be cesspools. We must try, short of ultimate privatization, to operate government facilities in a manner most conducive to a business, or to neighborhood control. But that means: that the public schools must allow prayer, and we must abandon the absurd left-atheist interpretation of the First Amendment that “establishment of religion” means not allowing prayer in public schools, or a creche in a schoolyard or a public square at Christmas. We must return to common sense, and original intent, in constitutional interpretation.

So far: every one of these right-wing populist programs is totally consistent with a hard-core libertarian position. But all real-world politics is coalition politics, and there are other areas where libertarians might well compromise with their paleo or traditionalist or other partners in a populist coalition. For example, on family values, take such vexed problems as pornography, prostitution, or abortion. Here, pro-legalization and pro-choice libertarians should be willing to compromise on a decentralist stance; that is, to end the tyranny of the federal courts, and to leave these problems up to states and better yet, localities and neighborhoods, that is, to “community standards.”

Libertarians are not anarchists. They are actually in favour of must stricter and harsher social controls and key libertarian philosophers (Hans Herman Hoppe is another good example, read literally anything he's written and keep in mind the guy regularly win awards and gives presentations at libertarian conferences), and influential libertarians have the same degree of contempt for the college-stoner-libertarian crowd that everyone else does. Actual libertarians just want to undo any hint of wealth redistribution or enforced racial equality.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Helsing posted:

Just a reminder that the libertarians you encounter on the internet who mostly talk about drug decriminalization and ending mass incarceration and foreign wars are absolutely not representative of the ideology. The goofy college stoner libertarian is way less relevant or influential than the state's rights libertarians who absolutely do believe in social coordination and assistance - specifically in that they want the freedom to use local government more brutally than what is currently allowed. Here's famous libertarian Murray Rothbard calling for a program of "libertarian populism" back in 92. Some representative positions:



Libertarians are not anarchists. They are actually in favour of must stricter and harsher social controls and key libertarian philosophers (Hans Herman Hoppe is another good example, read literally anything he's written and keep in mind the guy regularly win awards and gives presentations at libertarian conferences), and influential libertarians have the same degree of contempt for the college-stoner-libertarian crowd that everyone else does. Actual libertarians just want to undo any hint of wealth redistribution or enforced racial equality.

yeah like

idk what part of brain spiders you missed

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
I was responding to Rent-a-Cop's insinuation that the Libertarians are primarily dumb and that their surface level ideas about abolishing society are sincere. Actual libertarians are well aware that the state (in particular the police) are necessary to create and enforce their ideal society.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Helsing posted:

I was responding to Rent-a-Cop's insinuation that the Libertarians are primarily dumb and that their surface level ideas about abolishing society are sincere. Actual libertarians are well aware that the state (in particular the police) are necessary to create and enforce their ideal society.

yeah, because they have mondo brain spiders

also there’s the ones like john mcafee that are just straight up murderers

or the ones here that are on about “it’s ephebophilia!!!”

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

JeffersonClay posted:

I’m pretty sure “you just want more victims to come forward so you can jerk it to their plight” is the dumbest argument so far, and that’s saying a lot. It certainly beats “senate investigations are misogyny” and “it’s bad if democrats get more power to investigate sexual assault”. But at least you’re making a coherent argument, terrible as it may be, so you’re doing better than the majority of posters here.

Hey look you're refusing to engage with my argument again, even after I bolstered it with a quip and dog tax.

Why, forums poster JeffersonClay, do more women need to come forward? You're treating it as axiomatic but it's unfounded. How do these hidden women benefit from their assaulter staying in power until enough (defined always as N+1) come forward? How is their justice not served by watching Franken et al being forced to resign in disgrace without having to endure the media spotlight themselves?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Helsing posted:

Libertarians are primarily dumb
Yes.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Helsing posted:

I was responding to Rent-a-Cop's insinuation that the Libertarians are primarily dumb and that their surface level ideas about abolishing society are sincere. Actual libertarians are well aware that the state (in particular the police) are necessary to create and enforce their ideal society.

Not far enough. Coin operated light posts is the future (or well the present. The future it just scans your credit card and you get billed for how many you come near)

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax
https://twitter.com/NBCNewsPR/status/934798127319732233

Rodatose
Jul 8, 2008

corn, corn, corn
https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/934804550900260869


welcum to the sex pest spin zone

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



:stonk:

get out pelosi

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Really want to hear the pelosi defenders have a go at this

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

yikes no way dude

i may be nancy pelosi's most ardent defender on these forums, but not even i am willing touch this

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
If you said last year that a major party is facing collapse of its establishment figures because of a massive amount of sex scandals and tone-deaf responses to them...

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Inescapable Duck posted:

If you said last year that a major party is facing collapse of its establishment figures because of a massive amount of sex scandals and tone-deaf responses to them...

Well we knew it wasn't going to be the GOP, their voters don't care as long as someone dog-whistles racism.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


https://twitter.com/WaywardWinifred/status/934843667768111105

dem leadership obv. doesn't care either

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Really want to hear the pelosi defenders have a go at this

The_Pelosi_Defender has logged on

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
As a reminder, the public option actually passed by the House was weakened to the point it would actually charge higher than private rates and would have estimated to have only covered 6 million people.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/711728

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