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Hakkesshu posted:I don't see one as an extension of the other at all, despite their overt connections. It's literally an extension of breaking bad. Like as in literally, they broke the idea while writing breaking bad. You can "not see it" as an extension of breaking bad all you want, but that doesn't make it not an extension of breaking bad. Hakkesshu posted:loving what Did you forget everything involved with Hector, Gus, Mike, and especially Nacho? It was the secondary plot of the season. quote:Also how is the Mike/Gus stuff even remotely incomprehensible? Everything about their actions is explained entirely within the context of the show. Again, as I mentioned above, you don't have any context as to why Gus arriving is so frightening, why everyone respects and at times even fears him, do you don't get any of the textural nuance that makes his reappearance so effective. He's just A Dude That Shows Up. It still more or less works, but it works far less effectively and completely ignores what made Gus great and how BCS comments on what made Gus great if you just skip to BCS without watching BB. Hakkesshu posted:You're right about the stylistic stuff, but how is that relevant to what we're discussing? I didn't say they were dissimilar shows in terms of direction. They are incredibly similar in theme, with both being about relatively good men being dragged into moral turpitude via their own actions, it's just in BCS it's about a person with a checkered past sliding back into it even as he tries to "go straight", over BB going from the now-cliched line "Mr. Chips to Scarface". They ruminate, constantly, on the same ideas, just in different ways - Walter White's arc is about him repeatedly failing himself, and Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman's arc is about being failed, and how his constant attempts to "be good" are stymied by a combination of outside forces and his own refusal to actually play by the rules. And again, they're similar in direction, but not only that they're similar in framing narratives and the way episodes are edited or its long-form storytelling (Breaking Bad frequently did act-long scenework which compromises most scenes of BCS) or its dialog or its sense of humor, not to mention the literal parts that are literally exactly the same like entire characters or prequel plotlines. You can prefer one to the other or even like one and not like the other, but to pretend that they aren't fundamentally linked shows with one reflecting on and ruminating on the exact same ideas and arcing of the other is absurd. They are two halves of the same whole.
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Like there's a more compelling argument to be made that Twin Peaks: The Return is a fundamentally different show with little necessary connection to the original run of Twin Peaks, that should be enjoyed on its own merits, than there is that BCS is a fundamentally different show with little necessary connection to BB that should be enjoyed on its own merits. And if you argue that you should watch The Return without having watched original run TP, especially FWWM, I would regard you as not a sane person.
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Nov 26, 2017 21:25
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That's a continuation, not a prequel. I haven't seen BCS, but maybe a better comparison would be saying it's stupid to watch Gods of the Arena before the first season of Spartacus. Or hell, watching FWWM before OG Twin Peaks.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with watching Better Call Saul without having watched Breaking Bad. You won't pick up on some things or get some of the references but it won't be some inscrutable puzzle. It's probably not good for your blood pressure to get so mad about tv shows.
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Nov 26, 2017 21:31
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precision posted:It's probably not good for your blood pressure to get so mad about tv shows. Yeah, this. Unless it's someone interpreting Revolutionary Girl Utena the wrong way.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Did you forget everything involved with Hector, Gus, Mike, and especially Nacho? It was the secondary plot of the season. There wasn't that much action, though? Like, it was tense, but not loving automatic machine gunsmowing down nazis or drug explosions. Lick! The! Whisk! posted:They are two halves of the same whole. Absolutely not. Not until this point, anyway. Okay, yes, the Gus/Mike stuff is arguable, since it has yet to pay off (but I'm sure it will have a full arc within BCS), but the entire relationship between Jimmy and Kim and Chuck and Howard, which in my mind is the core of the show, is entirely compelling for reasons that have absolutely zero of anything to do with Breaking Bad.
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Hakkesshu posted:There wasn't that much action, though? Like, it was tense, but not loving automatic machine gunsmowing down nazis or drug explosions. This is good though because Breaking Bad was always laughably incompetent when it did action scenes. Like the final shoot out with Hank. It's terrible.
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The cousins vs Hank is an all-time great TV action scene tho
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esperterra posted:Unless it's someone interpreting Revolutionary Girl Utena the wrong way. this but KEY: The Metal Idol
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Escobarbarian posted:The cousins vs Hank is an all-time great TV action scene tho This is true actually.
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McSpanky posted:I hate picking one "best" but here's some of the best: The Addams Family, The Man from UNCLE, Dragnet, Blues Brothers, Wayne's World, Mask of the Phantasm, The Naked Gun, Star Trek II, Batman '66. There's got to be enough movies based on SNL sketches for them to have their own category, surely.
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precision posted:I don't think there's anything wrong with watching Better Call Saul without having watched Breaking Bad. You won't pick up on some things or get some of the references but it won't be some inscrutable puzzle. Best case scenario with watching BCS before Breaking Bad is that you spoil the latter for yourself even if the former remains unaffected. So many of the beats and reveals and developments of BB would be ruined by going into it already knowing who everyone is and where they're coming from and what they're capable of, and the writing and performances will also suffer if you're seeing them as the cameos and last-minute replacements they were originally written as and not the much deeper and better-understood characters they are at the end of BB and the beginning of BCS. And I am incredibly mad about this, as evidenced by the fact that I am a person who is disagreeing with you on the internet.
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Guy Mann posted:And I am incredibly mad about this, as evidenced by the fact that I am a person who is disagreeing with you on the internet. The only person I was referring to is Occupation, if he isn't mad then my bad but the posts certainly come across... unhinged.
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esperterra posted:Unless it's someone interpreting Revolutionary Girl Utena the wrong way.
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Wheat Loaf posted:There's got to be enough movies based on SNL sketches for them to have their own category, surely. Their own category of suck, maybe. E: I guess Coneheads was okay too.
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McSpanky posted:Their own category of suck, maybe. E: I guess Coneheads was okay too. Movies by sketch comedy groups are almost always terrible though: Brain Candy was a miserable fiasco, Run Ronnie Run was a turd that broke up the Mr Show crew, Miss March is one of the worst reviewed films of all time, and Mystery Team was really mediocre and gross. Lonely Island is like the one exception and both Hot Rod and Popstar still underperformed despite being fantastic comedies.
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Nov 27, 2017 01:48
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Wheat Loaf posted:There's got to be enough movies based on SNL sketches for them to have their own category, surely. Off the top of my head: Blues Brothers Blues Brothers 2000 Waynes World 1 & 2 Coneheads Superstar Ladies Man Night at the Roxbury
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swickles posted:Off the top of my head: It's Pat Stuart Saves His Family Office Space (arguable)
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how did you forget macgruber
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Arist posted:how did you forget macgruber Everybody did, sadly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIXdCQZYP0&t=68s JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO FUUUUUUUCK! 
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Nov 27, 2017 02:50
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i would absolutely watch a 90 minute long version of the Bill Bratzky sketch
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I can't believe Gotham has turned into a good show.  Where should I jump back in? Beginning of the current season?
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Godless has been great. I just finished ep 4, and I’m really into it. That said, the marketing was bad. So bad. I told my wife it was a show about this town of women who don’t need no stinking men... well, it’s actually about a bunch of men and the town of women that need them. But drat is it still enjoyable and beautiful.
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omg hungry like the wolf thank you for this tviv people.
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esperterra posted:Yeah, this. Utena was a silly show about a really pretty guy and his cool-rear end car imo. please don't kill me i love utena
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Just watched the pilot of Future Man. I thought it was just okay, but I can see why goons would love it. I'll power through the 8 half hour eps since it seems like the kind of show best binged.
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Yeah, I wasn't really digging it right out of the gate but it grew on me after a couple of episodes. Its not so much a case of the show getting better but that it expands beyond the video game satire and bounces around a lot of other ideas and becomes less gimmicky and more of a show.
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I somehow managed to start the show unspoiled. I thought it was about some enhanced/armored in the future fighting bad guys like Robocop or something.
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Netflix apparently has a show about the Medici family starring Dustin Hoffman and Brian Cox and Robb Stark from game of thrones but I've literally never heard about it and they didn't promote it. Sean Bean joined the cast for season 2 which is upcoming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvKzPZl3Bds
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Mu Zeta posted:Netflix apparently has a show about the Medici family starring Dustin Hoffman and Brian Cox and Robb Stark from game of thrones but I've literally never heard about it and they didn't promote it. Sean Bean joined the cast for season 2 which is upcoming. They really did themselves a disservice by not casting Richard Madden as Ezio Auditore
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Mu Zeta posted:Netflix apparently has a show about the Medici family starring Dustin Hoffman and Brian Cox and Robb Stark from game of thrones but I've literally never heard about it and they didn't promote it. Sean Bean joined the cast for season 2 which is upcoming. It's a Rai show I think (Rai is Italy's public broadcaster).
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Josh Lyman posted:I somehow managed to start the show unspoiled. I thought it was about some enhanced/armored in the future fighting bad guys like Robocop or something. Awesome, enjoy the ride.
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Josh Lyman posted:I can't believe Gotham has turned into a good show. Last season was where it really turned itself around, particularly when Ra's al Ghul shows up and kicks the Bruce Wayne plot into high gear.
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Princess Meghan Markle yall. Is she still on Suits?
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zoux posted:Princess Meghan Markle yall. Is she still on Suits? I don't give a single iota of a gently caress about "royals", but I did hear on the radio on the way to work that she was apparently leaving after this season anyway.
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Mu Zeta posted:Netflix apparently has a show about the Medici family starring Dustin Hoffman and Brian Cox and Robb Stark from game of thrones but I've literally never heard about it and they didn't promote it. Sean Bean joined the cast for season 2 which is upcoming. huh, that actually looks pretty good
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I didn't realise Suits was still on. I feel like I remember reading about it being cancelled a couple of years ago.
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IRQ posted:I don't give a single iota of a gently caress about "royals", but I did hear on the radio on the way to work that she was apparently leaving after this season anyway. https://twitter.com/spectator/status/935098939522633729 Wallis Simpson was also a NAZI SYMPATHIZER DURING WWII but twas the divorce that sullied her.
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