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Telling GMs "not all situations need a pass/fail die roll" was great, the problem is that the initial example Skill Challenges we're taken as a proper template for all of them, so a lot of effort was put into trying to fix "rules" that weren't intended.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Christ, Iron Man Magic has been around since at least Unlimited. I remember people being proud of playing it. I guess they weren't "true nerds", though. I remember a published article that ended with the writer describing his sole surviving card: a Lord of the Pit adorned with a streak of ketchup and a handlebar moustache drawn in pen. Now I'm torn between flushing my collection down the toilet, or making them into a quilt. After fishing my dual lands out, of course.
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Bieeardo posted:I remember a published article that ended with the writer describing his sole surviving card: a Lord of the Pit adorned with a streak of ketchup and a handlebar moustache drawn in pen. card quilt sounds amazing, do that one.
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Nov 26, 2017 22:12
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superglue them to the bumper of your car e. hell, coat an old car with magic cards and call it an art car
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Nov 26, 2017 23:26
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I'd rather see people ripping cards up than painting MLP characters on the power nine. Let those cards die with dignity.
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Nov 26, 2017 23:33
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Peas and Rice posted:Thanks for the advice on stock art - DT had some decent fantasy stuff that matched what I wanted so I grabbed that, but nothing else really. I may be looking at commissioning some - is my best bet to search DeviantArt until I find someone I like (which I've had mixed results doing in the past), or is there a better way to find an artist or artists who can help? There's G+ and Facebook groups.
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Nov 26, 2017 23:59
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Leperflesh posted:superglue them to the bumper of your car I don't drive, but I'm sure I can find an idling bus around here. "My other car is an Atog."
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Nov 27, 2017 00:10
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I have a bunch of magic and still play occasionally. The cards are my goddamn property and if I want to wipe my rear end with them I will do so and gently caress you if you have a problem with it.
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Nov 27, 2017 00:23
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I'd like to see numbers on 'people who happen to buy and play Magic cards' and 'people who attend tournaments on the regular', because I imagine that a large percentage of cards are already effectively out of circulation because they never see anything bigger than FNM.
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Nov 27, 2017 01:26
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Comrade Koba posted:While we’re on the subject, has there ever been an introductory-level D&D where the central premise was something other than a band of kobolds/goblins/orcs/bandits/1HD creatures menacing the countryside, and who turn out to be led by some sort of boss monster with a couple of hit dice more?
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Nov 27, 2017 01:49
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Bieeardo posted:I'd like to see numbers on 'people who happen to buy and play Magic cards' and 'people who attend tournaments on the regular', because I imagine that a large percentage of cards are already effectively out of circulation because they never see anything bigger than FNM. WotC has said many times that the numbers of product being bought and the numbers of people in tournaments don't come close to matching, and that the vast majority of magic players only play at their kitchen table
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Nov 27, 2017 01:51
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Nuns with Guns posted:I'd rather see people ripping cards up than painting MLP characters on the power nine. Let those cards die with dignity. Why give a gently caress at all? They're old cards, 95% of which have been reprinted anyway.
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Nov 27, 2017 01:57
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:WotC has said many times that the numbers of product being bought and the numbers of people in tournaments don't come close to matching, and that the vast majority of magic players only play at their kitchen table Yep. And then they eventually get thrown in the garbage or shoved in a white cardboard box that will never see the light of day again.
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Nov 27, 2017 02:04
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Liquid Communism posted:Why give a gently caress at all? They're old cards, 95% of which have been reprinted anyway. As far as I'm aware the Power Nine haven't been reprinted.
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Nov 27, 2017 02:13
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Liquid Communism posted:Why give a gently caress at all? They're old cards, 95% of which have been reprinted anyway. I don't give a crap about anyone ripping up cards of any type, even $8,000 mint moxes or whatever, but no person or object deserves to be tainted by bronies senrath posted:As far as I'm aware the Power Nine haven't been reprinted. I guess it depends on whether you consider alpha, beta, and unlimited to be reprints or additional print-runs of the same set?
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Nov 27, 2017 02:45
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i tore my blue hurricane in half eat it nerds
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Nov 27, 2017 02:53
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Liquid Communism posted:Why give a gently caress at all? They're old cards, 95% of which have been reprinted anyway. Yeah, the thing about the power 9 is that they specifically cannot be reprinted in any form.
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Nov 27, 2017 03:04
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this, and adjacent talk about what you personally feel it's appropriate to do to pieces of cardboard, is definitely a more important discussion to have than the absolutely rampant and horrifying levels of harassment and abuse even low-profile female Magic players have had to endure for literal years and which nobody has given even a passing poo poo about until this particular moment, and will be forgotten in the wake of WOTC's milquetoast, vague, and useless response to it. I definitely love that I have to wade through everyone's personal take on flip it or rip it or loving power every time this comes up lately, and definitely don't wish everyone that feels a need to weigh in on that first would take a running jump up their own asses
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Nov 27, 2017 03:07
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Kurieg posted:Yeah, the thing about the power 9 is that they specifically cannot be reprinted in any form. Are you suggesting Wizards is legally prohibited from reprinting those old cards? Or is this just a "promise" with zero legal power behind it?
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Nov 27, 2017 03:20
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Leperflesh posted:Are you suggesting Wizards is legally prohibited from reprinting those old cards? Or is this just a "promise" with zero legal power behind it? As in its a part of their official policy because at one point they *were* reprinting these old cards and devaluing the old ones. They can print obviously fake commemorative ones but that's it.
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Nov 27, 2017 03:29
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Leperflesh posted:Are you suggesting Wizards is legally prohibited from reprinting those old cards? Or is this just a "promise" with zero legal power behind it? People have spent years arguing about the reserved list please don't kick this off with the stupidest take possible And in any case they won't reprint the power nine because they're loving game breaking
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Nov 27, 2017 03:29
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Kurieg posted:As in its a part of their official policy because at one point they *were* reprinting these old cards and devaluing the old ones. They haven't even done that. The only "set" p9 exist in outside ABU is Vintage Masters WHICH I STKLL GET PEOPLE ASKING FOR IN MY STORE E over sized Sliver Queen is the only reserved list "reprint" I can think of in the last five years
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Nov 27, 2017 03:30
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:They haven't even done that. The only "set" p9 exist in outside ABU is Vintage Masters Yeah. From The Vault: Relics had some cards off the reserved list (not even P9, just cards off the reserved list) and people lost their poo poo, making WOTC change their policy to be more explicit.
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Nov 27, 2017 03:38
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Kurieg posted:Yeah. From The Vault: Relics had some cards off the reserved list (not even P9, just cards off the reserved list) and people lost their poo poo, making WOTC change their policy to be more explicit. They don't even do functional reprints anymore, although Rosewater has tested the waters and asked how people would feel about functional duals so who knows, and that was a guideline not a hard rule anyway
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Nov 27, 2017 03:40
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Sorry, I haven't been a party to those stupid arguments. I was asking a real question, mostly, although I strongly suspect I know the answer. It's not important though.
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Nov 27, 2017 03:41
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Leperflesh posted:Sorry, I haven't been a party to those stupid arguments. I was asking a real question, mostly, although I strongly suspect I know the answer. It's not important though. There is nothing legally preventing them from doing it I suspect but the amount of backlash they'd get from the community for doing so would not be worth it. BENGHAZI 2 posted:They don't even do functional reprints anymore, although Rosewater has tested the waters and asked how people would feel about functional duals so who knows, and that was a guideline not a hard rule anyway All they'd have to do is remove the basic land types. It'd kill the utility for the pain fetches but that's really only a modern issue.
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Nov 27, 2017 03:44
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Kurieg posted:There is nothing legally preventing them from doing it I suspect but the amount of backlash they'd get from the community for doing so would not be worth it. OK. I was thinking there was a small chance maybe they lost the license to the artwork/design or some poo poo, like the Harmony Gold situation with Battletech and the Unseen mechs. But actually it's just "they can't do it without engendring major backlash, today, as things stand, which tells us nothing about what they'd be willing to do in, say, 10 years or 20 years or whatever."
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Nov 27, 2017 03:47
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Reene posted:this, and adjacent talk about what you personally feel it's appropriate to do to pieces of cardboard, is definitely a more important discussion to have than the absolutely rampant and horrifying levels of harassment and abuse even low-profile female Magic players have had to endure for literal years and which nobody has given even a passing poo poo about until this particular moment, and will be forgotten in the wake of WOTC's milquetoast, vague, and useless response to it. I definitely love that I have to wade through everyone's personal take on flip it or rip it or loving power every time this comes up lately, and definitely don't wish everyone that feels a need to weigh in on that first would take a running jump up their own asses We can talk about this since I somehow started another weird argument with an offhand joke Other people are talking about harassment from MTGHeadquarters or general harassment from the MTG community in the wake of this https://twitter.com/nanikuzu/status/934660982491693056 https://twitter.com/TolarianCollege/status/934262602040930305 https://twitter.com/efropoker/status/934629766828769280 https://twitter.com/moxymtg/status/934589184785858560 https://twitter.com/_Elantris_/status/934254971205296128 https://twitter.com/TheManaSource/status/934277798847500294 https://twitter.com/TheManaSource/status/934280539632226305 https://twitter.com/TheManaSource/status/934461891912577025
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Leperflesh posted:OK. I was thinking there was a small chance maybe they lost the license to the artwork/design or some poo poo, like the Harmony Gold situation with Battletech and the Unseen mechs. But actually it's just "they can't do it without engendring major backlash, today, as things stand, which tells us nothing about what they'd be willing to do in, say, 10 years or 20 years or whatever." i mean, considering they've poked at the edges of it a few times and had to tighten up their stance, it does tell us something but okay guy who literally admits to not knowing poo poo about this situation Kurieg posted:There is nothing legally preventing them from doing it I suspect but the amount of backlash they'd get from the community for doing so would not be worth it. depends on if they're printed in a regular expert level expansion or a supplement. if they put them in some weird supplement they could easily keep the basic types and make them legendary or have some rule about how they interact with ABUR duals or whatever there's no way "enters untapped" duals with no drawback will be in standard again tho
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Here's a good tweet that explains MTGHeadquarter's history of super lovely behavior too: https://twitter.com/PleasantKenobi/status/934472359616147456
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Nov 27, 2017 03:58
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:i mean, considering they've poked at the edges of it a few times and had to tighten up their stance, it does tell us something but okay guy who literally admits to not knowing poo poo about this situation Hi friend, there's no need to be hostile. I pointed out a semantic difference between "can't" and "won't" out of interest in clarity, not to score points or something: and I was right about that, which means little in context, because I understand the intent was to state a strong opinion that the company won't reprint those cards. Which in the context of the conversation is a fine thing to say, and nothing more. It's all good, OK? I'm sorry there's clearly been really terrible conversations around this topic that have set folks on edge about it. I didn't know that.
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The whole situation with this MTGHQ dude sounds incredibly lovely, and half the responses to that WotC tweet are from the sorts of people who unironically think there's an SJW conspiracy to make free speech illegal or something, but I'm actually not entirely sure what WotC can do about the rear end in a top hat in question since from what everyone's been saying he's not actually an officially sanctioned representative, employee, or whatever. It sounds like he's just a dude who does unboxing-type videos, and WotC apparently stopped sending him preview stuff after his first meltdown. They could bar him from officially sanctioned events if they wanted to, and I'd probably do so because he seems like a huge dickhead, but beyond making a strongly worded statement they don't really have a lot of say-so over this guy's behavior.
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Kai Tave posted:The whole situation with this MTGHQ dude sounds incredibly lovely, and half the responses to that WotC tweet are from the sorts of people who unironically think there's an SJW conspiracy to make free speech illegal or something, but I'm actually not entirely sure what WotC can do about the rear end in a top hat in question since from what everyone's been saying he's not actually an officially sanctioned representative, employee, or whatever. It sounds like he's just a dude who does unboxing-type videos, and WotC apparently stopped sending him preview stuff after his first meltdown. They could bar him from officially sanctioned events if they wanted to, and I'd probably do so because he seems like a huge dickhead, but beyond making a strongly worded statement they don't really have a lot of say-so over this guy's behavior. Nintendo literally monetizes any video that has their content in it, period, WotC has hasbro money to persuade YouTube with, it's entirely possible for them to do something if they want
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Kai Tave posted:The whole situation with this MTGHQ dude sounds incredibly lovely, and half the responses to that WotC tweet are from the sorts of people who unironically think there's an SJW conspiracy to make free speech illegal or something, but I'm actually not entirely sure what WotC can do about the rear end in a top hat in question since from what everyone's been saying he's not actually an officially sanctioned representative, employee, or whatever. It sounds like he's just a dude who does unboxing-type videos, and WotC apparently stopped sending him preview stuff after his first meltdown. They could bar him from officially sanctioned events if they wanted to, and I'd probably do so because he seems like a huge dickhead, but beyond making a strongly worded statement they don't really have a lot of say-so over this guy's behavior. There doesn't seem to be much they can do other than say that he's now on the DCI suspended list and they have no relationship with him or condone his actions. I can't imagine this guy being popular with his FLGS but it's a game you can buy at Walmart or Target and Youtube won't do much other than unmonetize his channel, if they haven't already, if it's not a DMCA violation.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nintendo literally monetizes any video that has their content in it, period, WotC has hasbro money to persuade YouTube with, it's entirely possible for them to do something if they want In a practical sense, yeah, but I personally don't hope for more companies actively twisting fair use into a pretzel and then shoving it up the asses of people who can barely afford to meet eyes with a lawyer, even if those so abused are huge pieces of poo poo themselves.
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I wonder: is Magic: the Gathering considered a "core brand" at Hasbro? That is, one of their highest moneymakers like Transformers, My Little Pony, Monopoly, etc. (Dungeons & Dragons has never been able to reach that height, for the record.) That would give a lot of indication as to how willing they are to actually throw money at Magic in general.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I wonder: is Magic: the Gathering considered a "core brand" at Hasbro? That is, one of their highest moneymakers like Transformers, My Little Pony, Monopoly, etc. (Dungeons & Dragons has never been able to reach that height, for the record.) That would give a lot of indication as to how willing they are to actually throw money at Magic in general. In 2012 they were bragging, in a press release sort of way, that Magic had made somewhere in excess of $200 million that year and was estimated to continue climbing. I have no idea if that puts it in "core brand" territory by Hasbro's metrics but it's not exactly small potatoes, and it has substantial market penetration given that you can find Magic at big box stores, gas stations, any place that sells nerdy tat, etc.
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It is, if you look at shareholder reports the cover’s stuff like ponies and trucks next to a realistic wizard.
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Nov 27, 2017 07:22
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nintendo literally monetizes any video that has their content in it, period, WotC has hasbro money to persuade YouTube with, it's entirely possible for them to do something if they want edit: He should still receive a DCI ban, but no Hasbro should have no legal authority over people filming their product period. No one should ever.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yes that'd just be great another company purposely abusing and undermining fair use. I also love convincing the taskmasters to beat another slave to slighted me. I would like him to not make money off being a toxic rear end in a top hat off this game, so at the very least I would like WotC to get him demonetized
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