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I'm not gonna poach the client, they will just leave when they find out I'm gone. A quick check of my LinkedIn will show where I went
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Sepist posted:I'm not gonna poach the client, they will just leave when they find out I'm gone. A quick check of my LinkedIn will show where I went Still... tread lightly, and make sure you fully understand your non-compete if you have one. Some non-competes won't even let you work for another company in the same space without threat of lawsuit. Others might just say you can't poach their clients, which even if you don't and the company does it on their own (like you said), you may still get a lawsuit sent your way. It's not about the client at that point, it's about making your life miserable.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I have no clue what the gently caress he was thinking, but it was The last few interactions I've had with NetApp support have made me want to kill myself.
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listening to him ty to grasp the issue even after I explained it several times.
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TheFace posted:Still... tread lightly, and make sure you fully understand your non-compete if you have one. Some non-competes won't even let you work for another company in the same space without threat of lawsuit. Others might just say you can't poach their clients, which even if you don't and the company does it on their own (like you said), you may still get a lawsuit sent your way. It's not about the client at that point, it's about making your life miserable. My second to last boss and my systems architect counterpart both went to competing VARs and a few clients took their business with them, no lawsuits filed.
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Thanks Ants posted:The last few interactions I've had with NetApp support have made me want to kill myself. After being acquired the talent leaves.
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Sepist posted:My second to last boss and my systems architect counterpart both went to competing VARs and a few clients took their business with them, no lawsuits filed. Lucky. One of my former co-workers left the MSP I was at for another MSP, one customer did that and my employer went after my former co-worker. It wasn't about the loss of business (it was a relatively small customer) it was more of a "gently caress you" for leaving. Legal costs for this BS add up. It was one of the first tells to me that I needed to get out of that toxic company.
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That sucks. I worked for a MSP about 10 years ago. One of the clients reached out to me to do side work for them, and when the MSP found out they sent me a reminder that I was in violation of the non-compete. I kept doing the work anyway though. Kind of a different scenario though. I think my side business was the violation, not so much their customer coming to me.
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client lists are not enforceable in non-compete agreements
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Mad Wack posted:client lists are not enforceable in non-compete agreements Plus I think there's like three or four states where non-competes are unenforceable. And a handful of others where they're pretty limited.
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And that's expanding. Non-competes are becoming a thing of the past, thankfully.
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Colonial Air Force posted:And that's expanding. Non-competes are becoming a thing of the past, thankfully. Right to work, however, is not. Two steps forward, three back.
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Colonial Air Force posted:And that's expanding. Non-competes are becoming a thing of the past, thankfully. From a non US viewpoint, how the gently caress is this even legal? Sure, confidentiality and industry secrets and whatnot but unless you are going to pay me pension for adhering to a non-compete, how are you supposed to make a living?
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TerryLennox posted:From a non US viewpoint, how the gently caress is this even legal? Sure, confidentiality and industry secrets and whatnot but unless you are going to pay me pension for adhering to a non-compete, how are you supposed to make a living? You aren't. That's the whole idea of loving up socialized insurance as well; it's another thing that keeps people stuck in hellish jobs.
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My understanding is that if you're in a sales role and take all your accounts with you when you switch jobs then it's understandable why the company might get pissy. But attempts to prevent you from continuing with your career can get hosed.
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TerryLennox posted:From a non US viewpoint, how the gently caress is this even legal? Sure, confidentiality and industry secrets and whatnot but unless you are going to pay me pension for adhering to a non-compete, how are you supposed to make a living? That's precisely the argument that has led many courts to throw them out.
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I think a lot of it had to do with senior employees with access to product roadmaps and trade secrets being poached by competitors. There was a whole lot of high-level poaching going on in Silicon Valley in the late 90's early 2000s that resulted in companies suing the ever living poo poo out of each other. I seem to remember that Intel(?) got a 6 month injunction in place to prevent one of their chief engineers starting at AMD (or something like that) until their latest processor hit the market.
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Sickening posted:After being acquired the talent leaves. NetApp hasn’t been acquired.
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Meanwhile, in many industries, like law, it is perfectly normal for you to take clients with you when you leave a firm. In fact, law firms can get into a lot of trouble for not cooperating and handing over info/documents when an attorney leaves and the client wants to go along with. They also aren't ethically allowed to give you free legal advice, which means they don't get quite so bombarded by friends and family for help like IT folks do. Hmmm... there's something to be said for being able to write the rules. 
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Internet Explorer posted:They also aren't ethically allowed to give you free legal advice, which means they don't get quite so bombarded by friends and family for help like IT folks do. I'm not ethically allowed either, it works out really well
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Internet Explorer posted:Meanwhile, in many industries, like law, it is perfectly normal for you to take clients with you when you leave a firm. In fact, law firms can get into a lot of trouble for not cooperating and handing over info/documents when an attorney leaves and the client wants to go along with. It is also really hard to work as a lawyer since the field is crowded. IT sucks, but there are jobs.
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Banking talk: I am the IT manager at a $3b community bank (which is tiny compared to any wall street bank) and it owns. We are very profitable so I can take care of the people who report to me, we play with a lot of cool poo poo, etc.. The regulatory burden is real though, and it really does suck.
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adorai posted:The regulatory burden is real though, and it really does suck. Words cannot convey how much it can suck at times. For $JOB-1 I worked 6 years in the global security group for an international bank. And herding all those loving cats (global infrastructure teams and regional security groups) to remediate findings from SRABOX, various EU, and SWIFT certification audits was a loving nightmare.
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Thanks Ants posted:My understanding is that if you're in a sales role and take all your accounts with you when you switch jobs then it's understandable why the company might get pissy. But attempts to prevent you from continuing with your career can get hosed. I've always heard that if they sue for going to a competing company, they will lose, but if its for taking clients with you, that part is where courts start ruling in the companies favor Colonial Air Force posted:That's precisely the argument that has led many courts to throw them out. I'd expect this to start changing back with the way our legal system is going. Corporations are going to have all the power for quite a while longer due the stacking of the judiciary that is happening right now
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It's possible, but mostly it's been state courts, rather than Federal.
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Colonial Air Force posted:It's possible, but mostly it's been state courts, rather than Federal. The same thing has been happening in a lot of states, it's just not as high profile as the federal courts. It's why comparable lawsuits in, say, California and Kansas have wildly different results.
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MANime in the sheets posted:The same thing has been happening in a lot of states, it's just not as high profile as the federal courts. It's why comparable lawsuits in, say, California and Kansas have wildly different results. are those lifetime appointments like a fed judge? only way to get rid of the federal ones is impeachment, which isn't easy
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Our Tier 1 people have been renamed to "System Engineers" and our Tier 3 are now "Infrastructure Administrators". 
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Methanar posted:What's tier 2?
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Methanar posted:What's tier 2? Fired.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Fired. 
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RFC2324 posted:are those lifetime appointments like a fed judge? only way to get rid of the federal ones is impeachment, which isn't easy Depends on the state.
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Methanar posted:What's tier 2? Heh, at my place, I'm Tier 1, called Service Desk. Tier 2 is called Tier 1 (X department) as it splits to areas of responsibility. Tier 3 is called Tier 3 (X department) but is actually all handled by the same small group of people.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Heh, at my place, I'm Tier 1, called Service Desk. Tier 2 is called Tier 1 (X department) as it splits to areas of responsibility. Tier 3 is called Tier 3 (X department) but is actually all handled by the same small group of people. You're Tier Zero. And I am Tier Infinity since I do everything...
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Yea well I'm tier infinity plus one
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My Tier only exists in a conceptual framework of theoretical dimensions posited by mathematicians.
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Proteus Jones posted:My Tier only exists in a conceptual framework of theoretical dimensions posited by mathematicians. O̶̲̻͖̯͍̺̞̪͂̎̋ͤ͋ͤ̄͑̚M̦͖̟̼̰̪ͭ̄͆ͯ̔͜ͅE̶̷͉̟̰̣̮̻̣͖̅̈́ͧͧ̐ͅG̱͎͙̈́̔͑ͅA̤̠̙̙͕̺͛̃͑ ͈̙̼̺̆͗̋ͩͥ̅̚T̖͍̻̓̆̋̎͐I̵ͦ͂̚͏͚̪̖̟͓͙͚Ȩ̡̳̬̤̯̫͉͛̇̌ͨ̓R̠̙̣̙͉͔̉̈́̊ͮ́͒̿́
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I was tier until they nerfed my set bonuses.
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Sepist posted:Yea well I'm tier infinity plus one I'm in tier [The set of all rational numbers]
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