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AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/RangerXML/status/934168812609445888

# ? Nov 27, 2017 23:58

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AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:01

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/935275947611303938

Available for a limited time: *

*in stock

More of that implicit lying that pisses me off so much - I could be :pgabz:

levels of angry.

A nonexistent ship, with nonexistent weapons, in a game that hasn't been made and is the perfect ship for someone aspiring to use a game mechanic that has not yet been invented, much less planned out, coded, and included in the game, is for sale!

Every line in this blurb implies that the entire game is already out, or that its release is imminent and a foregone conclusion.

Whether or not it legally qualifies, in my book this kind of poo poo is fraud. Don't say you have something you don't have, don't say it will do something when you have no idea if it will even make it into the product, or if there will be a product. Don't say it's the perfect ship for "insert feature with literally not even a single minute of whiteboarding". Just say what it is - a theoretical ship with undetermined features that will help fund the game. That's all you need to say. This is why they're scum.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:02

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Blue On Blue posted:

"Luckily I have 32gigs on this machine"

Dear lord, the fps never breaks 20 hahahah

Yeah, and it's just him. Alone. No other clients. No multi-crew. No weapons fire. No combat. Nuthin'.

Yes, this poo poo is so funny.

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# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:03

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Beet Wagon posted:

I never see posts from anyone complaining about me being a mod (because they're all already on my block list )

LOL!!! Well, I'm not complaining. I'm just citing history. :grin:

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# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:04

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Beet Wagon posted:

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER! MoMA WON'T STOP ARCHERING MY POSTS! STOP IT MoMA!

Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:04

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Scruffpuff posted:

More of that implicit lying that pisses me off so much - I could be levels of angry.

A nonexistent ship, with nonexistent weapons, in a game that hasn't been made and is the perfect ship for someone aspiring to use a game mechanic that has not yet been invented, much less planned out, coded, and included in the game, is for sale!

Every line in this blurb implies that the entire game is already out, or that its release is imminent and a foregone conclusion.

Whether or not it legally qualifies, in my book this kind of poo poo is fraud. Don't say you have something you don't have, don't say it will do something when you have no idea if it will even make it into the product, or if there will be a product. Don't say it's the perfect ship for "insert feature with literally not even a single minute of whiteboarding". Just say what it is - a theoretical ship with undetermined features that will help fund the game. That's all you need to say. This is why they're scum.

At some point several years ago they went way over the line of "dude we're just trying to crowdfund a game" and went into fraud territory as far as I'm concerned. I don't know when the exact date that I went from being excited about spaceships to being repulsed by every throb of their weird marketing organism, but poo poo like the way they're pitching the 890 Jump - especially after it being MIA for years and now pushed back behind the 600i - legit makes me sick.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:06

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

532 left, hurry, hurry, hurry.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:09

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

The Titanic posted:

This is why I just draw porn, for free. Because Fenoxo is the EA of porn.

now that I'm almost done healing from surgery and not popping painkillers like max payne I need to get with you about some artwork stuffs

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:12

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

AP posted:

532 left, hurry, hurry, hurry.

I'm getting one for Uncle Derek and I to share so he can tweet about it and Reddit can whine that "well actually you see it's leased by Beet!" as we run them over or however combat works in this lovely non-game

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:14

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?

jfc. Now you'll start another tangent on how that AI game can beat a human player.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:15

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Beet Wagon posted:

I'm getting one for Uncle Derek and I to share so he can tweet about it and Reddit can whine that "well actually you see it's leased by Beet!" as we run them over or however combat works in this lovely non-game

Looks like a good buy, might be in white box phase by December 2018, then the question will be if it makes it into patch 3.1 for late 2019.

Moma, do you have one of these beauties?

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:16

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Jesus Christ on crutches, please watch this poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l67r64mYshA

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# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:17

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

gently caress, they must be desperate for cash if they're selling everything like this.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:17

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:21

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

D_Smart posted:

Jesus Christ on crutches, please watch this poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Xh4zTCa-8

Well done, Derek - glad you took the high road on this one. It was a funny video.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:25

Abuminable: Mar 30, 2017; Now, aside from the Abuminable, business goes on as usual.

D_Smart posted:

Jesus Christ on crutches, please watch this poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l67r64mYshA

I tried. Fell asleep within the first minute.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:26

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Scruffpuff posted:

Well done, Derek - glad you took the high road on this one. It was a funny video.

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# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:27

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l67r64mYshA&t=276s

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:29

Spiderdrake: May 12, 2001

Scruffpuff posted:

Every line in this blurb implies that the entire game is already out, or that its release is imminent and a foregone conclusion.

And then someone with vested interest in it goes and inputs those facts into a wiki. Then they start linking it up, quoting all these quotes about all its features. It sounds like a real thing, though there's no shots of the model. Everything is taken as far as possible at every step to pretend that this is either in the game, that there is a game, and that it is ready for you to engage with. From tweet to ad to pledge to wiki to videos on youtube talking about it. So you, the end user, you look it up and it says the ship is "in production" and you're like oh so they're in this game?

And that actually means it's somewhere in the pipeline, because CIG literally refers to a stage of building the models before you can use it as 'in production' like it's a loving product in real life. Like it's being built in the lovely jpeg factory and it'll be in the supply chain any day now! It reminds me of reading about the Sochi olympics, except there's no wild dogs, because CIG can't program much of anything. Or you know, a giant loving scam.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:29

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Spiderdrake posted:

And then someone with vested interest in it goes and inputs those facts into a wiki. Then they start linking it up, quoting all these quotes about all its features. It sounds like a real thing, though there's no shots of the model. Everything is taken as far as possible at every step to pretend that this is either in the game, that there is a game, and that it is ready for you to engage with. From tweet to ad to pledge to wiki to videos on youtube talking about it. So you, the end user, you look it up and it says the ship is "in production" and you're like oh so they're in this game?

Yes - that's exactly what I mean. The entire project started to take on this smell between 1 and 2 years ago and like Beet, I can't pin it down exactly. It started as "here are some concept ships, we give them out when you pledge, we're hoping they'll do these things, but we'll see how it plays out." That's when they got my 45bux.

Then somewhere along the way they started to make it sound like this game is literally finished, and just needs a bit of polish. All these systems, ships, gameplay elements (loving "nonlethal weapons" alone implies fucktons of specialized gameplay systems), the universe etc. is all just out there waiting to be discovered. Sure it's in "pre-alpha" but if you're willing to put up with some rough edges the deepest game ever made is waiting for you right now. All that supported by their site, Reddit, Twitter, PC Gamer et al; everything you read reinforces this illusion.

So you buy in and log in and boom - there's no game, no systems, no universe, no flight model, no fun, and no plan. Just Chris Roberts playing Make-A-Wish foundation with him as the beneficiary, hoping to keep the money strung out long enough to figure out what the gently caress he's doing.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:40

Nyan Bread: Mar 17, 2006

Spiderdrake posted:

So you, the end user, you look it up and it says the ship is "in production" and you're like oh so they're in this game?

There are no endusers in the context of this scheme, only space content-locusts devouring space dreams

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:40

Ash1138: Sep 29, 2001; Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

Milky Moor posted:

gently caress, they must be desperate for cash if they're selling everything like this.

yes and if they come out of this still down for the year then :lol:

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:42

Dementropy: Aug 23, 2010

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:42

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

Job vacancies at CIG just hit 70. That's 7 new posts in the last few weeks after being at 63 since March 2016. There are now 5 audio vacancies (UK) including the junior audio tech job which was only filled a few months ago. In fact they've listed some of these audio vacancies twice because it turns out that using freesound.org samples for your weapon sounds in a $167 million space dollah game sucks all kinds of balls. All kinds.

edit - they're actually posting UK vacancies like crazy on the UK jobs sites. 3 new ones in the last 3 days including Senior Level Designer (they already have a level designer vacancy since March). Trying to recruit like crazy in the UK.

PROGRAMMING TALK
I learnt BASIC on my Sinclair ZX81 at the age of 11. I remember opening the manual on xmas day and seeing the following example on page 1:

10 LET L=10
20 PRINT L

and the result upon execution:

10

That simple concept flashed across my young brain like a bolt of blinding plasma. I went from not knowing that programming existed to understanding one of the foundational concepts within 0.2 seconds. I was hooked. Fast forward a decade or so, and after a couple of years sitting at a desk writing database code to sit on UNIX boxes I thought 'gently caress this for a game of pissy tits' and went and learned how to fix stuff so I could spend most of my time driving around the country doing support and just dabbled in AMOS and Blitz BASIC on the Amiga. The first time I tried to learn an object oriented language I just gave up, I couldn't get my head around it coming from the old linear way of thinking.

Blitz on the Amiga was a great language, I had a friend who wrote a 3d engine in it then optimised parts of it in 68000. It ran around the same framerate as Star Citizen 3.0 but it did eventually turn into a released game right at the end of the Amiga's life, unlike Star Citizen which has yet to turn into a working proof of concept imo.

SomethingJones fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Nov 28, 2017

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Sabreseven: Feb 27, 2016

Milky Moor posted:

gently caress, they must be desperate for cash if they're selling everything like this.

The best thing about CIG is, when they throw all their eggs in one basket, you know the next thing they'll do is put on their blindfolds, don their trusty wobbly wheeled roller skates, and try to run down some stairs at full burn.

This is literally a final push, a flash sale, a garage cleanout, one final desperate grab at whats left of that sweet nerd money. All the shills are shilling, all the twitchers are twitching, all the mouthpieces are loudly promoting the product, the company is pushing hard to sell all the things that do not exist, 3.0 being suddenly touted as a 'SC 1.0 release candidate' would not surprise me as soon as this round of nerd farming ends.

Somewhere within the upper reaches of the CIG ivory tower, first class plane tickets to an undisclosed location are being bought and designer suitcases are being stuffed to bursting with foreign currency.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:46

VictorianQueerLit: Aug 25, 2017

Milky Moor posted:

gently caress, they must be desperate for cash if they're selling everything like this.

Well their customers are desperate to give them cash so it's a win-win for everyone involved really.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:49

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

You know if there were a studio closer to me I think I'd be willing to apply for a job with no experience whatsoever and see if I can land the position as a meme. It's amazing how desperate they are for people who can try to save them from their impending doom and all they're getting are people barely out of college.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:52

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

D_Smart posted:

Yes, that's just it. They dumped 2.0, patched it to 2.6.3, then hosed off back in April. Then in Nov, seven months later, they dump 3.0, and it's going to have the same fate.

Last I checked, 2.6.3 had over 3000+ bugs, NONE of which appear as fixed in the 3.x dev schedule. Yes, I checked. That's how my brain works. I like to keep track of mundane things so that I can loving cite them until I'm Blue in the face. Then I got write a blog.

Anyway, because they were so far ahead with the standard multiplayer game that's sitting on top of a single player fps, they kept putting poo poo on top of it until eventually every loving thing breaks. Completely.

It's like you building a house, and instead of making sure you have a concrete foundation, you build it on tectonic plate, then keep adding stories to it. In fact, hilariously, there is a super expensive building in San Francisco mired in lawsuits over this very analogy.

A fast layman's example. You have a thin hose and you have water flowing from the tap through this hose into a bucket. The water is only going to flow as fast as the water pressure and the amount of water that can be pushed through the hose. You don't have the option of buying a bigger hose, so that trough you have sending water through it, isn't going to change.

The hose is the amount of data you can send.

The water pressure is the amount of bandwidth you have at your disposal.

The trough of water is all your data that needs to go through that hose.

So, CIG, in their infinite wisdom, not only kept putting more water in the trough, they also put in waste water which ends up not only clogging the hose, but also slows down the water flowing through.

And the reason they can play the game offline is because that's how most engines are designed whereby a client can be a server using command line options. I've done this in several of my games actually. And it allows you to host and play on the SAME machine. So you can start one session in "listener/server" mode, minimize it, then start another session in server mode, connecting to the former via commandline parameters.

Basically, that's what most games do in that when you join via a server browser, those parameters are stuff into the connection string for you by the game. And if you want to do matchmaking, then you also need a master server which is going to broadcast and show all the available games in a server browser. Back in the day, nobody wanted to write that poo poo; so some devs used GameSpy. Then SteamWorks came along and did it better.

So, to play offline, you just need to figure out what they're doing, then hack it out. That's what they're doing over on sc/leaks. And it's not completely detached because there are still some bits that need to communicate to the CIG master server.

As an example, just two weeks ago, I decided to update my space/planetary fighter combat game, which I had developed exclusively for Turner GameTap who gave me a ton of money. Similar to the BCM Gold title I had done exclusively for GameStop. Anyway, since it's one of the games I made that, though a bit more complex than most, isn't as complex as the BC/UC games, I decided to update it. Since I had already taken the master servers offline, It took me all of 10 minutes to strip the multiplayer kernel, update the main menu image, remove ReplicaNet (the networking middleware I was for it) from the Visual Studio solution, built it, ran it. It works. And boom, no more multiplayer. And the single player remains untouched and doesn't even know that the multiplayer components are gone. Here, read the changelog (I released the patch on Thanksgiving Day).

When you have years of experience, poo poo like this is second nature. Meanwhile, we have a company with $166 million and they somehow can't get a multiplayer game working properly - six years later. They're so hosed.

loving amateurs.

LoL

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:55

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/Cashgamer65/status/935277978275151872

https://twitter.com/Tallon_Hunter/status/935292828569149440

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:55

SomethingJones: Mar 6, 2016; <3

thatguy posted:

You know if there were a studio closer to me I think I'd be willing to apply for a job with no experience whatsoever and see if I can land the position as a meme. It's amazing how desperate they are for people who can try to save them from their impending doom and all they're getting are people barely out of college.

From the amount of UK vacancies they've been posting I would say that the only qualification for working for CIG is that you want to work for CIG

# ? Nov 28, 2017 00:58

Nanako the Narc: Sep 6, 2011

AP posted:

890 Jump back on sale, they are throwing absolutely everything at this.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/16259-ORIGIN-Anniversary-Special-Sale

It's not working.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:06

Ash1138: Sep 29, 2001; Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

Latin Pheonix posted:

It's not working.

about $462k for today

seems low for a "pulling out all the stops" kind of day

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:10

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

big nipples big life posted:

Can I get these alerts sent to my phone?

They usually are. Most Star Citizen type alerts are amber alerts.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:15

Anticheese: Feb 13, 2008; $60,000,000 sexbot

I really have no idea who greenlit the Hammerhead video all but saying "Hey this thing is a white elephant and maintaining this thing is a pain in the rear end that requires a lot of manual busywork" right before going HEY BUY THE HAMMERHEAD!

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:15

Strangler 42: Jan 8, 2007; SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Ash1138 posted:

about $462k for today

seems low for a "pulling out all the stops" kind of day

They've managed to buy themselves another week of life. Maybe a little less, like 5 days at the estimated burn rate. But then again, those new job postings might mean that they are cutting the fat.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:20

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

Anticheese posted:

I really have no idea who greenlit the Hammerhead video all but saying "Hey this thing is a white elephant and maintaining this thing is a pain in the rear end that requires a lot of manual busywork" right before going HEY BUY THE HAMMERHEAD!

You don't understand mental illness development.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:21

intardnation: Feb 18, 2016; I'm going to space!

Latin Pheonix posted:

It's not working.

viagra isnt holding we need moar.

# ? Nov 28, 2017 01:23

Nanako the Narc: Sep 6, 2011

Raskolnikov posted:

How the gently caress am I going to get on that block list? The trials of being a white noise poster

I like your posts :shobon:

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shrach: Jan 10, 2004; daylight ssssaving time

SomethingJones posted:

Job vacancies at CIG just hit 70. That's 7 new posts in the last few weeks after being at 63 since March 2016. There are now 5 audio vacancies (UK) including the junior audio tech job which was only filled a few months ago. In fact they've listed some of these audio vacancies twice because it turns out that using freesound.org samples for your weapon sounds in a $167 million space dollah game sucks all kinds of balls. All kinds.

edit - they're actually posting UK vacancies like crazy on the UK jobs sites. 3 new ones in the last 3 days including Senior Level Designer (they already have a level designer vacancy since March). Trying to recruit like crazy in the UK.

You have to be in the mindset of Chris Roberts. He mentally checked out on this game a few years ago, as he prophecised it got stale for him around three years in, after he directed the motion capture. It's like Brewster's millions, the only way Chris can leave and relax with the millions he's taken out is if he can sell the company or bankrupt it. It neatly explains how they have 380 employees that do the work of about 20 and yet still want to add more employees.

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