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Aerox posted:We've played the first two scenarios now, and my group is loving the game, but my Mindthief player is getting very frustrated because he can't figure out the tempo of Mindthief. In his words, all he can do is big melee attacks, but claims to have no way to defend himself or escape without instantly getting blown up. He's the only one of us who's been exhausted, and he exhausted in both scenarios. Invisibility cloak is huge. First make sure he is rocking the +2 to attack, always. Midfreak gets by killing things, not taking hits. He should be going after smaller guys and not trying to trade blows with elites. Use the invisibility card/cloak to get in and do damage to elites if you aren't going to kill them. Check out the X cards, I swapped out a couple for the '1' cards. They are good and give you more options. The 2 problems you face with mindfreak are movement, he's slow and before you level up you don't have a ton of movement options. You just have to be careful, use your move 3 attack 1 card and stamina potion to get it back. He's also too fast for his own good, meaning enemies will agro on him, invisibility or murder things. Preferably murder things. As the game goes and enemies get more stats he becomes way more useful. Suddenly that 'make and enemy attack 2' now have an enemy pierce another's shield and that one retaliates back and you can do a lot of awesome things. After you get some perks, throw in all the muddle cards and muddle everything that you touch. Also bless yourself at the temple of the Great Oak.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:We have the previous generation model (8.9" Kindle Fire) and the companion is completely unusable. It's sluggish at best to begin with but the companion app just causes the whole thing to poo poo itself until the tab crashes. I guess there are some other browsers available for it, but I haven't looked into trying any of those yet. No idea on the newer model you're looking at, but I had been getting the impression that newer models weren't a very big step up. Is the app that terribly optimized? The fire 7 can run games just fine. Ill test the app in a few hours when I get home.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:22
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Not having the game yet, I'm confused on which is the good monster app. There's Gloomy Companion which is a web app, but there's also an Android app. Which is being used in these two examples with the 8.9" and the 7"?
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Nov 27, 2017 21:32
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Yeah I dunno, it doesn't seem super well coded but also it's a super simple app. I tried it a handful of times and just couldn't get it to work at all on our Kindle, we got it as a hand-me-down though so maybe the thing has hardware/software issues.KingKapalone posted:Not having the game yet, I'm confused on which is the good monster app. There's Gloomy Companion which is a web app, but there's also an Android app. Which is being used in these two examples with the 8.9" and the 7"? I was talking about the Gloomy Companion web app, running via a browser.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:34
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OgreNoah posted:I got a first edition so nothing was wrong with mine, but 3M makes good stuff. screech on the beach posted:3M Super 77 works like a charm. It's a huge can and you can keep it handy if you have any cardboard tear for any other game you have ever. Thanks!
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Nov 27, 2017 21:38
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My phone runs Gloomy Companion on Chrome perfectly, and it's a cheapo budget phone, albeit a recent model (Moto e4). When I'm at home I'll usually cast the chrome tab from my laptop to the TV.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:38
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Yeah I dunno, it doesn't seem super well coded but also it's a super simple app. I tried it a handful of times and just couldn't get it to work at all on our Kindle, we got it as a hand-me-down though so maybe the thing has hardware/software issues. Gotcha. Ill test on the 7 in a few hours, it'll still be on sale then. That tablet loads things slowly but then runs them fine. Like Mario Runner which is pretty intensive takes 3x as long to initially load the app as my new phone, but then runs it flawlessly. Theres something seriously wrong with a test displaying app if it doesn't work.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:43
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Test out the Android app (which I can't say I know the name of) and the Gloomy Companion web app if you can please. I might just go get one at Best Buy since it's the same price. I realize that I can probably use this thing as a recipe display when I'm cooking too which is convenient since my board gaming and cooking take place in the same area.
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Nov 27, 2017 22:30
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KingKapalone posted:Not having the game yet, I'm confused on which is the good monster app. There's Gloomy Companion which is a web app, but there's also an Android app. Which is being used in these two examples with the 8.9" and the 7"? I was talking about the web app which runs fine on the 7" in the silk browser. Downloaded the MonsterAI app off the google play store and that also runs smooth as butter, if that's the one people are talking about. We just use the web app because that's what we tried first.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:10
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Single Tight Female posted:I was talking about the web app which runs fine on the 7" in the silk browser. Downloaded the MonsterAI app off the google play store and that also runs smooth as butter, if that's the one people are talking about. We just use the web app because that's what we tried first. Thanks! I might pick a spare one up. Because we are in the future where I spent more to sleeve the game then the tablet to run the companion app.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:14
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Thanks. I'm going to get the 7" one. Saw this in the tablet thread to get Google Play Store on it: https://www.howtogeek.com/232726/how-to-install-the-google-play-store-on-your-amazon-fire-tablet/
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Nov 27, 2017 23:32
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KingKapalone posted:I realize that I can probably use this thing as a recipe display when I'm cooking too which is convenient since my board gaming and cooking take place in the same area. Triggered!
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Nov 27, 2017 23:33
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KingKapalone posted:Thanks. I'm going to get the 7" one. Saw this in the tablet thread to get Google Play Store on it: https://www.howtogeek.com/232726/how-to-install-the-google-play-store-on-your-amazon-fire-tablet/ This is what I did and it worked no problem. It works like any other android after that.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:34
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The kindle fires are seriously an insane deal. If the kids edition isn't too much more, it has a two year no questions warranty. Which, if you are using it for cooking, may be interesting.
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Nov 27, 2017 23:39
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Bombadilillo posted:Also bless yourself at the temple of the Great Oak. Blessings are great when you're rocking big attacks off the cards and/or have a poorly optimized modifier deck where you have a lot of negative results (they then increase the odds of you getting something good). But the Mindthief can pare their modifier deck down to almost exclusively positive modifiers with a lot of nice bonuses, and throws out a lot of tiny attacks (admittedly with the possibility of that +2 from the attack augment), so blessings become increasingly non-optimal for them. Personally I would recommend a few things: 1) Be careful about positioning - as a mindthief you never want to be stuck standing in a door as the next room charges at you, or really in a position where you're the primary target for more than a couple of attacks. And as you said, the mindthief trends very fast so will be primary target if they're equidistant from enemies compared to other party members. (There's a way to fix that but it's not immediately available.) 2) While the +2 damage augment is great, if survivability is the issue the one that heals the Mindthief for 2 on a melee attack affords them the possibility of up to four points of healing in a turn and will go a long way towards keeping them up. Personally I felt like this was the mandatory augment right up until level 5 unless things were going much better than usually happened and I had room for some free hits without return fire. 3) Remind them that as long as someone survives to complete the objective it is perfectly okay for them to become exhausted - there's no real penalty aside from missing a couple of turns that might have gotten them cash or XP (but if you burn yourself out playing XP cards you'll get more XP than surviving, so). Unless of course the actual objective is for everyone to survive, which does happen occasionally.
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Nov 28, 2017 01:09
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It feels good sometimes to know you are about to win and just burn a bunch of cards. As mindthiefs you can go first. Get 4xp and do massive damage to a scenario winning boss and if you are out. Your buddies will get the last 2 points who cares.
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Nov 28, 2017 01:17
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Just to make sure we're playing right, when you level up you get to only pick one new card of your level or lower and add it to the pool of cards you can pick from when you go adventuring. Not ALL the level 2 cards when you hit level 2.
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Nov 28, 2017 01:27
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Just to make sure we're playing right, when you level up you get to only pick one new card of your level or lower and add it to the pool of cards you can pick from when you go adventuring. Not ALL the level 2 cards when you hit level 2. I am wrong, ignore me. Sounds like you were doing it right. jmzero fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 01:29
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jmzero posted:No - all the cards for that level enter your pool. You can always use anything that's your level or below (always including X's). Unless this was errataed I don't believe that's correct. From the 2nd ed manual: 
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Nov 28, 2017 01:37
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Aerox posted:Unless this was errataed I don't believe that's correct. Huh. We certainly did this wrong (for hundreds of hours of play...) And I'd guess we weren't the only ones, as the new wording/emphasis is stronger than what's in the old manual. I'm not sure I like this rule. I mean, I get that it makes a (considerable) balance difference, but where do you track what cards are in your pool? I also liked being able to respec/experiment a bit more than this would let you do. Huh.
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Nov 28, 2017 02:10
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jmzero posted:Huh. We certainly did this wrong (for hundreds of hours of play...) this was kind of how I felt, like ONE card? That seems silly especially if I'm retiring my first character before I even hit level three, but whatever I guess he can keep leveling up if I play him outside of the campaign, right?
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Nov 28, 2017 02:14
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jmzero posted:Huh. We certainly did this wrong (for hundreds of hours of play...) What we do is sleeve the cards that are currently in the cardpool and keep the rest in the platic envelope they came in originally. And yeah, having all the cards unlocked sounds like it would make you insanely powerful.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:this was kind of how I felt, like ONE card? That seems silly especially if I'm retiring my first character before I even hit level three, but whatever I guess he can keep leveling up if I play him outside of the campaign, right? Before you're even close to done with the campaign your characters will start their existence at level 4 or 5 and be picking several additional cards before you've even played them once. But also, you're going to be playing enough different characters in the game that it's nice to have decisions to make that (can) make a new character of a class that's already been played (which despite the vast number of classes will happen sooner or later - again, we might be half done with the campaign, after about 9 months, and we've unlocked all but about four classes) different from the previous one.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:this was kind of how I felt, like ONE card? That seems silly especially if I'm retiring my first character before I even hit level three, but whatever I guess he can keep leveling up if I play him outside of the campaign, right? You will soon be starting with a level 3 with 5 perks from building the character. Gotta let them go. Get to the good stuff. Can't retire my character now. He's at 19 out of 20 different monsters killed. And we keep getting the same monsters in the scenarios. 
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Are there any particularly interesting pairs or trios from the starting classes? Ideally a trio that breaks down into an interesting duo or two. I've been hearing that Tinkerer's a bit unsuited to two-character play. The main thing is know where your damage is coming from. The tinkerer is a supporting/enabling class and a lot of his big damage cards are one shot. To me the most interesting class combos are ones that heavily use the elemental track as you get great synergies from each other. So Cragheart Spellweaver might be a fun opener. None of the other starting 6 have big elemental usage, but both of those classes do some heavy lifting on the durability and damage side of the equation so you have a lot of flexibility as to who the third is. I'd probably go mindthief as they have a lot of flexibility.
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:To me the most interesting class combos are ones that heavily use the elemental track as you get great synergies from each other. This is my only disappointment with Mindthief/Brute so far, but I did swap in the X card that lets the Mindthief consume the frost he generates.
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Anybody gotten to enhancing cards yet? We unlocked the ability last night, and so far have only done one: the Mindthief's Scurry. We added a +1 to the Move line, to more reliably trigger the Horned Helm's +1 attack. It's a stressful choice: it's very expensive, we can only enhance one card per class (so far), and we want to use a card that will always be useful even after more level ups. We're thinking of adding Curse to one of the Tinkerer's area attacks. Dropping 3 misses in the monster deck has got to be nice. Not sure what card to go for with my Brute. The one I get the most use out of is Skewer, but adding a third hex seems bad, and while +1 attack would be nice I'm wondering if there's a better option.
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Nov 28, 2017 05:14
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:The main thing is know where your damage is coming from. The tinkerer is a supporting/enabling class and a lot of his big damage cards are one shot. Hey that's exactly the combo we're going on, cragheart/spellweaver 2p. It's fun! The elements definitely come into play, where they might kinda not for a lot of other starters.
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keldon posted:Anybody gotten to enhancing cards yet? We unlocked the ability last night, and so far have only done one: the Mindthief's Scurry. We added a +1 to the Move line, to more reliably trigger the Horned Helm's +1 attack. It's a stressful choice: it's very expensive, we can only enhance one card per class (so far), and we want to use a card that will always be useful even after more level ups. Enhancing cards isn't going to be a frequent thing, just because of how much it costs. Because of that, you aren't really going to just add +1 damage to things--it just isn't very efficient, and making a big number bigger is actually usually going to be worse than upping a small one. On the Cragheart the one upgrade I had while I was playing the character (I took one after cashing out my stuff before retiring as well, but never played with it) was upgrading Heaving Swing from Push 1 to Push 2, which made it so much better for shoving people through rocks or into traps. On my current character, my two upgrades are both for movement, which has done wonders for being able to do my thing. For the brute in particular, I think I'd look for a good status effect--and remember, multi-target cards cost more to upgrade.
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keldon posted:Anybody gotten to enhancing cards yet? We unlocked the ability last night, and so far have only done one: the Mindthief's Scurry. We added a +1 to the Move line, to more reliably trigger the Horned Helm's +1 attack. It's a stressful choice: it's very expensive, we can only enhance one card per class (so far), and we want to use a card that will always be useful even after more level ups. some later classes are particularly reliant on enhancements. the (symbol spoiler) sun class in particular. also curse is one of the 3 most important abilities in the game.
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Played the first 8 scenarios and one later down the line. Will probably finish the current storyline and then go for some sidequests. Regarding the Mindthief; it simply cannot go toe to toe with any enemies, which is very rough in the beginning. There are a lot of options to work around this, though not all are available right away; * Summons. If you are next to some big bad, dump a summon there. Their initiative is always lower than yours, so they will be targeted first by the enemy. * Invisible. You have an L1 Invisible move and the cloak is available for purchase as well. Bonus points since you can set up choke points and blockades with this. You cannot box in enemies with obstacles, but invisible characters will work. * Stun, you have 2 stun moves at L1. One requires frost so that isn't always an option, but the ranged one will still work in close combat. While with disadvantage you'll probably do no damage, the stun effect is applied. * Disarm, same as above * Muddle, not as good as the above, but it will prevent crits. * Immobilize, back away out of their range. * Push, works just fine with slow guys like Earth Demons, but other enemies can still be pushed closer to an ally who is capable of taking hits. Always have one of these things ready to use. Never move next to an enemy you cannot kill, attack and remain there unless they are stunned/disarmed or at least muddled if you do not have invisibility ready.
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Aerox posted:We've played the first two scenarios now, and my group is loving the game, but my Mindthief player is getting very frustrated because he can't figure out the tempo of Mindthief. In his words, all he can do is big melee attacks, but claims to have no way to defend himself or escape without instantly getting blown up. He's the only one of us who's been exhausted, and he exhausted in both scenarios. He should try to get into the rhythm of the character. Alternate slow and fast turns. Go slow round one, after the monsters - move up and stab. Round two, go really fast - stab and run back out of range. Once our mindthief got this, her play experience got a lot more enjoyable. Other "glass cannon" characters play like this too.
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ketchup vs catsup posted:some later classes are particularly reliant on enhancements. the (symbol spoiler) sun class in particular. I'm really looking forward to upgrading the Shield 1 for the whole game to Shield 2 card for that class. I'm not sure what else to upgrade at the moment.
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Played the first game with my kid last night. He was the Brute and he chose Tinkerer for me. We got off to a rocky start but rolled through the rest of the first scenario without any hiccups. We screwed up at the very end - thought that we had time to loot before leaving the dungeon, so we ended up redoing the last turn, but otherwise it went really well. By the end of the game my son was making his own decisions without prompting, and he was really happy when we beat the last monster. I need to get an app for tracking characters though. I really don’t like their paper solution.
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Jordan7hm posted:I need to get an app for tracking characters though. I really don’t like their paper solution. I like this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.timmcode.ghcampaigntracker.droid&hl=en That lets you manage all your characters, parties, and campaigns. When you enter your scenario completions and looted treasure numbers, it logs achievements and unlocks automatically. Also, if you want to lock down scenario spoilers and you can't stop yourself from glancing ahead on a page, this app lets you reveal scenario info bit by bit: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmail.roygon.Gloomhaven_Scenario_Viewer&hl=en
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Is this something I can play with just me and my wife or will we be missing a lot with just 2 players?
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OgreNoah posted:I'm really looking forward to upgrading the Shield 1 for the whole game to Shield 2 card for that class. I'm not sure what else to upgrade at the moment. Oh yeah, I got that upgrade. It's so good. Combined with other shield moves and items I basically take no damage ever, unless a roomful of monsters gangs up on me.
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Womyn Capote posted:Is this something I can play with just me and my wife or will we be missing a lot with just 2 players? It plays perfectly fine at two players, the scaling is really well-done.
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So based on current news, all those copies that retailers sold as preorders and expected in November aren't going to see the light of day until like Jan/Feb at the earliest, right?
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Womyn Capote posted:Is this something I can play with just me and my wife or will we be missing a lot with just 2 players? Works great. Also drop in drop out for different scenarios works great as well. Had a great game last night, I was try to (battle goal) Stay under 7 xp for doublecheckmark So I as mindthief rushed into the last 2 elites and burned some great cards to get them to both to a couple HP each tanked myself to death over the round. Also I did a loot 2 and picked up 6 gold and a chest! Rest of the party strolled in and poked them to death. It can be cool/good to go down in a blaze of glory. Bombadilillo fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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