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goose willis posted:When the various races interact with each other how exactly do they communicate Bullets.
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goose willis posted:When the various races interact with each other how exactly do they communicate Ultraviolence
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Nov 28, 2017 14:10
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Yeah I know that but I mean the non-violent encounters like Orks being recruited as mercenaries or Eldar and inquisitors talking
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Nov 28, 2017 14:16
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goose willis posted:Yeah I know that but I mean the non-violent encounters like Orks being recruited as mercenaries or Eldar and inquisitors talking Well, you kind of answered your own question there?
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Nov 28, 2017 14:21
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Yeah but isn't there some massive language barrier going on there
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Nov 28, 2017 14:22
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Eldar live for millennia so, they probably know a bit of everything. Farseers need to know how to communicate with the other races, so they can do their job of protecting their Craftworld. Dark Eldar have translators, mechanical or otherwise, to do the speaking for them since everything else is considered inferior to them and wouldn't sully themselves by speaking anything other than their own language. Orks pick poo poo up just fine. They're good like that.
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Nov 28, 2017 14:28
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All orks have Looted Language: Base cost +25pts but minus 25% vowels. And no, it is not a typo that they can upgrade the language with big shoots as they see fit..
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Nov 28, 2017 14:34
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ineptmule posted:Along these lines, someone round here posted a cool little thought-scenario a while back imagining an Imperial Guard commander, upon seeing an Astartes assault out of the blue, frantically getting their Wikipedia-servitor to look up the marine heraldry to try and figure out if the newcomers are friendly or not. That mental image really appealed to me. there was a short story in one of the old old anthologies about a non-military imperial starship under attack by some kind of xenos. they're rescued mid-crisis by astartes, but as just chump imperial citizens they don't recognize the marines' heraldry until the sorcerer in what happens to be a thousand sons warband turns one of the mortals into chaos spawn for their own amusement Artum posted:Their original plan to beat chaos was to wipe out the most populous non-ork species in the galaxy, they rather maxed out their genocide quota. the cabal wasn't an eldar-exclusive thing, though they did have an autarch of indeterminate craftworld on their ruling council. according to things said in the epilogue of the last Beat Arises book eldrad was aware of the cabal plot but played no part in it, for instance. and besides, humanity's easily the most genocide-prone species in the galaxy since the last time the necrons woke up, probably would've been for the best if the cabal's plan had succeeded. too bad alpharius hosed up the battle of pluto e: as a biel-tan player myself i've decided to lean in to the 'death to the barbarians, long live the empire of ten million suns' side of things, to the extent of being willing to put my wins towards the nurgle side in the konor campaign 1994 Toyota Celica fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 16:06
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goose willis posted:When the various races interact with each other how exactly do they communicate Interpretative breakdance. Or at least that's the Orky version of universal speech.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:11
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Entropy238 posted:If I wasn’t playing the tyranids I’d probably play the Eldar. They seem like pretty nice dudes who’ve learned from their mistakes, though I don’t really know much about the lore. Have they committed their own genocides etc ... as well after their fall? Eldar love using guardsmen as slaves :/ ...or was that Tau? Can't remember now..
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Nov 28, 2017 16:16
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Zaphod42 posted:Eldar love using guardsmen as slaves :/ T'a'u have gue'vesa. Eldar don't really need slaves.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:17
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zeal posted:there was a short story in one of the old old anthologies about a non-military imperial starship under attack by some kind of xenos. they're rescued mid-crisis by astartes, but as just chump imperial citizens they don't recognize the marines' heraldry until the sorcerer in what happens to be a thousand sons warband turns one of the mortals into chaos spawn for their own amusement This is cool but Thousand Sons don’t really seem like ‘lol spawn’ kinds of guys to me.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:18
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zeal posted:i know an embarrassing amount of eldar lore and how it intersects with wider 40k, so Pre age of strife humanity was also pretty ridiculous tech wise, in one of the novels theres an old earth ship that shoots at a eldar ship the farseer onboard of course predicts it and dodges, so the ai in the human ship goes gently caress no you don't and rewinds/changes the past so it can lead its shot to hit the eldar ship. said human ship was also shooting black holes.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:18
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Well at the very least dark eldar love torturing everybody, and as we said before most people can't differentiate between types of space elves. Also as much as drew careys may not get along with craftworlders, they aren't like loyalists and chaos; they will team up against anybody else. Elves are super racist and think even elves they disagree with are better than humans. So when half the eldar torture you and the other half are their friends, you tend to distrust the whole lot.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:20
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ineptmule posted:This is cool but Thousand Sons don’t really seem like ‘lol spawn’ kinds of guys to me. Eh, its plenty tzeentch.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:21
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Zasze posted:Pre age of strife humanity was also pretty ridiculous tech wise, in one of the novels theres an old earth ship that shoots at a eldar ship the farseer onboard of course predicts it and dodges, so the ai in the human ship goes gently caress no you don't and rewinds/changes the past so it can lead its shot to hit the eldar ship. this is extra humbling when you consider that pre-strife humanity was still just a footnote as far as the pre-fall eldar empire was concerned both humans and elves have fallen a long, long way since then
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Nov 28, 2017 16:23
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Zasze posted:Pre age of strife humanity was also pretty ridiculous tech wise, in one of the novels theres an old earth ship that shoots at a eldar ship the farseer onboard of course predicts it and dodges, so the ai in the human ship goes gently caress no you don't and rewinds/changes the past so it can lead its shot to hit the eldar ship. Yeah, I seem to remember that most references to Age of Strife human tech as being basically god-tier. I can only assume that they simply weren't around long enough to make an impact on the greater galaxy, before the whole "oh poo poo, psychers can become portals for daemons" thing combined with the whole "oh poo poo, our super powerful robot slaves are murdering us" thing came together to wipe them out.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:25
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ineptmule posted:This is cool but Thousand Sons don’t really seem like ‘lol spawn’ kinds of guys to me. if i were a chaos sorcerer i'd be doing that poo poo every chance i got turning one of their fellow passengers into a sort of bony flesh-lump definitely got the rest of the mortals' attention too
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Nov 28, 2017 16:32
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I'm enjoying these fluff discussions. How powerful are each of the Chaos Gods? I know Slaanesh gets the short end of the stick in the actual game itself, but are they all of equal power to one another? Also, will GW ever create a 5th Chaos Faction for Malice?
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Nov 28, 2017 16:58
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zeal posted:this is extra humbling when you consider that pre-strife humanity was still just a footnote as far as the pre-fall eldar empire was concerned And yet the Orks were a thorn in both their sides.  'bout time for a proppa Waaagh.
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Nov 28, 2017 16:59
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Liquid Communism posted:And yet the Orks were a thorn in both their sides. in some ways an eldar-dominated galaxy was probably better for the orks, the eldar would've been a lot less proactive about purging them in areas away from their own empire's territory, and probably saw some merit in using the orks as deterrent or pest control against chaos-worshipping or necron-derived xenos societies. there would've been more opportunities to build up the green mass necessary for higher end waaagh manifestations like the ambassadorks and mega-bosses that show up in The Beast Arises or the unique features of Thraka's horde. when the eldar did choose to leave their shining post-scarcity paradise to burn out a potentially troublesome ork empire, those orks would've had time to build up the fightiest, dakka-est waaaghs they could after munching on other xenos a while, and they'd get to fight the fightiest and dakka-est elf construct-hosts and starships ever constructed what a time to be green
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Nov 28, 2017 17:06
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Corrode posted:T'a'u have gue'vesa. Eldar don't really need slaves. Aren't Gue'vesa slightly above just a slave. I know their options were "join the Tau empire or die" but thought that they otherwise were treated pretty well and left to operate fairly autonomously. Side note, in game terms, what's the best way to represent gue'vesa at the moment? Do you just run them as a firewarrior team counts as or just an AM list with Tau bits? I'm not sure how closely they actually operate in the fluff with regular Tau units or if it would be ok for Gue-vesa guardsmen to jump out of a devilfish.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:13
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ineptmule posted:This is cool but Thousand Sons don’t really seem like ‘lol spawn’ kinds of guys to me. TS Sorcerer's tend to run the gamut between beaten down mopey serious dudes thinking of a bygone era and moustache twirling deamon worshipers. Ahriman himself makes a sort of heel-face flip through his different novel appearances.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:14
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Mef989 posted:Aren't Gue'vesa slightly above just a slave. I know their options were "join the Tau empire or die" but thought that they otherwise were treated pretty well and left to operate fairly autonomously. Castration, pheromone control, probably nerve-stapling, etc.. The Imperium may be oppressive but at least they have the goddamn common courtesy to admit it, the If the Imperium is 1984 the Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 17:16
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Who's actually in the best position to win the conflict at the moment? Tyranids? Chaos?
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Nov 28, 2017 17:22
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zeal posted:in some ways an eldar-dominated galaxy was probably better for the orks, the eldar would've been a lot less proactive about purging them in areas away from their own empire's territory, and probably saw some merit in using the orks as deterrent or pest control against chaos-worshipping or necron-derived xenos societies. there would've been more opportunities to build up the green mass necessary for higher end waaagh manifestations like the ambassadorks and mega-bosses that show up in The Beast Arises or the unique features of Thraka's horde. when the eldar did choose to leave their shining post-scarcity paradise to burn out a potentially troublesome ork empire, those orks would've had time to build up the fightiest, dakka-est waaaghs they could after munching on other xenos a while, and they'd get to fight the fightiest and dakka-est elf construct-hosts and starships ever constructed Depending on which version of the fluff you go with, there were Warbosses the size of Knights in those days. Need some of that back, then we can give the bugs a good stomp.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:25
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Also Tau are space Fascists and not, as commonly asserted, space Communists.Entropy238 posted:Who's actually in the best position to win the conflict at the moment? Tyranids? Chaos? Tyranids. Chaos can't actually win in any meaningful sense, since destroying humans ultimately destroys them. They do best in the year 999.M41 scenario of ever-increasing war.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:26
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Mef989 posted:Aren't Gue'vesa slightly above just a slave. I know their options were "join the Tau empire or die" but thought that they otherwise were treated pretty well and left to operate fairly autonomously. depends. i seem to recall some early tau fluff where they took to chemically sterilizing human populations to make them more manageable. there's also a persistently ominous feel for the way vespids have been integrated into the empire, something about mind control or at least persuasion devices in the helmets of vespid stingwing leaders. e: Corrode posted:Also Tau are space Fascists and not, as commonly asserted, space Communists. worse than either, they're space platonists. ethereals are the philosophers/head of plato's republic, fire caste is the arms, air and water caste the legs, earth caste the body. and it's just as essentially tyrannical as any actual realization of plato's republic would be 1994 Toyota Celica fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 17:27
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Zuul the Cat posted:Also, will GW ever create a 5th Chaos Faction for Malice? No. One of the novel writers was asked that in an interview, and he confirmed that Malal is not a thing in 40k and GW considers it something best forgotten.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:34
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5th chaos god is the horned rat anyway
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Nov 28, 2017 17:35
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I'd settle for them making Undivided-qua-Undivided a thing again.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:36
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zeal posted:5th chaos god is the horned rat anyway I'd be pretty down for a new race of space skaven.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:37
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Liquid Communism posted:Depending on which version of the fluff you go with, there were Warbosses the size of Knights in those days. Need some of that back, then we can give the bugs a good stomp. the megabosses in Beast Arises got up to at least dreadnought scale, and that was after just a dozen-odd centuries of uninterrupted development after the Ullanor Triumph in the Great Crusade give the octarius orks a few centuries of nid fighting to really get the juices flowing and you're gonna see some serious waaagh
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Nov 28, 2017 17:39
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Mef989 posted:Side note, in game terms, what's the best way to represent gue'vesa at the moment? Do you just run them as a firewarrior team counts as or just an AM list with Tau bits? I'm not sure how closely they actually operate in the fluff with regular Tau units or if it would be ok for Gue-vesa guardsmen to jump out of a devilfish. One of the guys at my club built a bunch of Fire Warriors with Guardsman legs and arms, but Tau torsos, guns, and helmets. We let him use them as Tau with Guardsman stats, but Tau weapons. No Bonding Knife Ritual or anything, but we let them otherwise use Tau keywords and rules (overwatch shennanigans) for most stuff.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:40
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Speaking of Orks, what's Gazghkull been up to since Armageddon?
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Broken Record Talk posted:One of the guys at my club built a bunch of Fire Warriors with Guardsman legs and arms, but Tau torsos, guns, and helmets. We let him use them as Tau with Guardsman stats, but Tau weapons. No Bonding Knife Ritual or anything, but we let them otherwise use Tau keywords and rules (overwatch shennanigans) for most stuff. That could be cool. I've just been really wanting to convert up some gue'vesa. Had I gotten to it in 7th they would have just been an allies force, but keywords kind of stops that until FW decides to make rules again.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:44
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Zuul the Cat posted:I'm enjoying these fluff discussions. It depends, waxing and waning depending on factors in the material realm. At the moment Nurgle is ascendent due to Morty's attack on Ultramar while Khorne has been weakened by Angron's abortive attack on Terra. At one point Tzeentch was more powerful than all 3 of it's siblings but they ganged up and forced Tzeentch to shatter it's staff of power. Slaanesh was pretty strong when first born but expended a lot of their power fighting the Eldar gods. Also according to Andy Chambers' AMA on Reddit, Malal as a concept was dead and buried before he'd even got there, Malice was just a shout-out.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:50
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Mef989 posted:That could be cool. I've just been really wanting to convert up some gue'vesa. Had I gotten to it in 7th they would have just been an allies force, but keywords kind of stops that until FW decides to make rules again. If you play with friends, houserule it. If you play more publicly, good luck!
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Nov 28, 2017 17:53
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Entropy238 posted:Who's actually in the best position to win the conflict at the moment? Tyranids? Chaos?
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Mef989 posted:Speaking of Orks, what's Gazghkull been up to since Armageddon? AFAIK, he jumped over to hang out with the Orks fighting the Nids.
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