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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Does anyone know how the rest of the Senate is getting elected? I saw they expanded it to 50 senators but they just elected only 23 of them and I'm wondering where they're gonna get the other 27.

Non Serviam posted:

Hopefully Piñera will secure the place on the second round and the left will be finally removed from government.

Truly the left has dominated Chile for too long.

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Redczar
Nov 9, 2011

From what I see, they’re planning to vote in the other 27 in 2021

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

So they’re just gonna have a 23 person senate for four years?

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
No? Senators serve for eight years, but there's Senate elections every four years (half of the districts at a time). The Wiki page explains it simply enough.

Is that... not normal? :confused:

wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010

SexyBlindfold posted:

So uh, how about those chilean elections :staredog:

Even though the numbers were way off, the end result is still more or less what was expected on the presidential level (Piñera and Guillier to the runoff, but with Piñera far from having it in the bag as previously predicted by pretty much all polls), but on the parliamentary level things are looking a bit insane on all accounts.

The center got murdered and both the far right and far left gained seats. Going to be a bumpy ride. O.o

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


That makes a change, it's usually just the left being murdered in Chile.

wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010
Whose idea was the new AV?

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

forkboy84 posted:

That makes a change, it's usually just the left being murdered in Chile.

If the Marxists of the Frente Amplio get their way, there will be plenty of murdering going on, as they have this big hard on with Venezuela.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
What's with leftists and naming parties Frente Amplio? Seems like there's one in every South American country (or at least the cool ones).

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Polidoro posted:

What's with leftists and naming parties Frente Amplio? Seems like there's one in every South American country (or at least the cool ones).

It's basically the keyword for when you have a wide coalition of leftist/progressive factions. That magical moment in which we stop stabbing each other and play nice, and hopefully don't get bamboozled into privatizing everything that generates an ounce of revenue!

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
I still can't decide between Frente de Izquierda and Izquierda al Frente!

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Ahh, that mystical moment of socialist cooperation... you know we could have more of them if wr just got rid of the schismatic trotskyists?

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012
so what's the deal with the lost submarine in Argentina? was it negligence on the poor state of the navy? Or the submarine was secretly carrying the invasion plans of Uruguay and the government is all :doh: about it?

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/935140932789374978

lol get hosed National Alliance

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011


eat poo poo hillary

Tony Sorete
Jun 19, 2011

Manager de rock

El Chingon posted:

so what's the deal with the lost submarine in Argentina? was it negligence on the poor state of the navy? Or the submarine was secretly carrying the invasion plans of Uruguay and the government is all :doh: about it?

All of the above (potentially).

In reality, lots of theorizing but no real clue beyond an explosive event very close to the last known registered position of ARA San Juan in November 15, and a few reports of repairs mismanagement, especially focused around the battery banks (it's a diesel-electric unit), which may have caused a hydrogen gas explosion after inadvertently getting in contact with some water, either from an exposed hull section or a snorkel failure.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

Nice name. Please manage my rock band

Fat Lowtax
Nov 9, 2008


"I'm willing to pay up to $1200 for a big anime titty"


https://resultadosgenerales2017.tse.hn

The votes are still coming in (lol) and Nasralla's lead is getting smaller and smaller. On the surface it actually sounds like a very feasible non-fraud election scenario (Tegucigalpa + San Pedro Sula apparently came in early, rurals come in later). But...why the gently caress is this taking three days? What are you doing, Honduras

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

El Chingon posted:

so what's the deal with the lost submarine in Argentina? was it negligence on the poor state of the navy? Or the submarine was secretly carrying the invasion plans of Uruguay and the government is all :doh: about it?

Uruguayan pirates boarded it and commandeered it and are now threatening to make their careful and meticulous photography of it public.

Tony Sorete posted:

All of the above (potentially).

In reality, lots of theorizing but no real clue beyond an explosive event very close to the last known registered position of ARA San Juan in November 15, and a few reports of repairs mismanagement, especially focused around the battery banks (it's a diesel-electric unit), which may have caused a hydrogen gas explosion after inadvertently getting in contact with some water, either from an exposed hull section or a snorkel failure.

Glorious Argentinian submarine probably would not, for example, accidentally operate the toilet incorrectly and sink to the bottom of the ocean.

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!

Fat Lowtax posted:

https://resultadosgenerales2017.tse.hn

The votes are still coming in (lol) and Nasralla's lead is getting smaller and smaller. On the surface it actually sounds like a very feasible non-fraud election scenario (Tegucigalpa + San Pedro Sula apparently came in early, rurals come in later). But...why the gently caress is this taking three days? What are you doing, Honduras

... so I knew they ousted Zelaya for (allegedly) wanting to change the Constitution in order to seek reelection, only to have their own guy later seek re-election, but I had somehow missed that they didn't even amend the Constitution for him to do so, they just pretended the article explicitly forbidding reelections and allowing to strip the citizenship of anyone who seeks reelection suddenly doesn't count because of reasons. That's wild

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


GreyjoyBastard posted:

Uruguayan pirates boarded it and commandeered it and are now threatening to make their careful and meticulous photography of it public.


Glorious Argentinian submarine probably would not, for example, accidentally operate the toilet incorrectly and sink to the bottom of the ocean.

The British torpedoed it because it got close to the Falkvinas.

There's gotta be this rumor going around, come on.

NothingMatters
Nov 17, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/elespectador/status/935695811492700165

https://twitter.com/GdFrancisco/status/935843005583581185

We dun had some fun on twitter.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011

Negrostrike posted:

The British torpedoed it because it got close to the Falkvinas.

There's gotta be this rumor going around, come on.
Open any Argentine newspaper with a public comments section and scroll down.

That the British sunk it is probably on the tamer side of the proposed theories.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/938890465482551298

El Chingon
Oct 9, 2012
They interviewed Christina's lawyer in the mexican radio, he is certain those charges won't hold in the court and are just made up by Macri's government. How true is that?

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

A clown who has twice been elected to Brazil’s Congress under the slogan “It can’t get any worse” has said he is too embarrassed by his fellowpoliticians to run again.

Francisco Everardo Oliveira Silva, known as Tiririca, this week has said he is ashamed of his colleagues – more than half of whom are reportedly under investigation for corruption – and will not run again in 2018.

As a member of the Chamber of Deputies, Tiririca had continued working in a circus on weekends and he said he was returning to clowning full-time.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
It's funny because he apparently is also a shitbag in Congress and yet somehow he comes off as less of a shitbag than his fellow representatives.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

El Chingon posted:

They interviewed Christina's lawyer in the mexican radio, he is certain those charges won't hold in the court and are just made up by Macri's government. How true is that?

Nobody that has actually read the written denunciation made 2 years and half ago thinks it makes any degree of sense. Even conservative media panned it back then.

She might still end up in jail over it. The justice system is fond of "preventive prison" lately, which essentially consists of locking people up first and finding actual evidence of their wrongdoings later. Sometimes years later.

Mind you, I'm sure she must have some dirty laundry like 90% of politicians in this country, but accusing her of Treason of all things is complete nonsense.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
If Argentina is anything like Brazil, and it is except it's worse at soccer, it being a solid case or not doesn't really matter, what matters is who's judging that process.

Tony Sorete
Jun 19, 2011

Manager de rock

Dias posted:

If Argentina is anything like Brazil, and it is except it's worse at soccer, it being a solid case or not doesn't really matter, what matters is who's judging that process.

Well, the guy that asked for her to be locked up (although this has to go through a process to remove her immunity of arrest in the Senate because she's a senator now) just asked for his pension and will stop working from the very beginning of 2018. Gotta love (former) federal judge Bonadio.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011
I think she should be tried for treason against the motherland and guillotined or whatever

but you can say that for almost anyone who's held public office in Argentina so

wateroverfire
Jul 3, 2010
Six days to go until 2nd round elections in Chile. Should have done this a week after wtf drawing this out for a month.

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

wateroverfire posted:

Six days to go until 2nd round elections in Chile. Should have done this a week after wtf drawing this out for a month.

To allow for political campaigns that target those who voted for others? It's kind of obvious.
Hopefully Piñera will win and prevent Chile from going the way of Venezuela thanks to our literally Marxist left.

..

In other things, a Brazilian colleague went out or her way the other day to tell me that there is no such thing as extreme poverty or homelessness in Brazil. How accurate is that? I've always had the impression that they did have that problem.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Non Serviam posted:

In other things, a Brazilian colleague went out or her way the other day to tell me that there is no such thing as extreme poverty or homelessness in Brazil. How accurate is that? I've always had the impression that they did have that problem.

It is as accurate as the moon being made out of cheese. Your colleague is either dishonest or lives in a well-insulated bubble from reality. I've heard people saying there is no racism in Brazil, which is naïve to malignant to say, but declaring that there is neither of the very visible poverty or homelessness in any of our major cities is a new level of delusional.

Brazil has dramatically improved its living standards in the last couple of decades, but in no way did it do away with extreme poverty or homelessness, and the high incidence of violent crimes in the country are a symptom of this, our current economic downturn is not helping either of those either. There are a lot of illegal occupations being done by the homeless, specially in the Southeastern regions. Here's a recent news article about it in English.

ZearothK fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Dec 11, 2017

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Non Serviam posted:


In other things, a Brazilian colleague went out or her way the other day to tell me that there is no such thing as extreme poverty or homelessness in Brazil. How accurate is that? I've always had the impression that they did have that problem.

What the gently caress is she on? :psyduck:

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Non Serviam posted:


In other things, a Brazilian colleague went out or her way the other day to tell me that there is no such thing as extreme poverty or homelessness in Brazil. How accurate is that? I've always had the impression that they did have that problem.

My personal Come-to-Marx moment was when, as a journalist in Brazil, I was doing a piece about waste management at a state capital. We were visiting a colossal mountain of trash they called a landfill, barely outside the city. The smell was indescribable; there was no sorting. Construction debris, food, medical waste, it all went into the same pile to bleach under the sun. A pale yellow fog made of powdered trash rose to about knee-high. And each time a new garbage truck came in, _hordes_ of ragged children would rush it, almost getting caught when it dumped its contents, using small metal sticks with hooks on it to tear open the bags and find something to eat/sell.

While that happened, the sanitation company owners that were escorting me in the visit were boasting how much things had improved since the privatization of the service, because they had pounded a road of sorts into the trash mountain, meaning the trucks could drive closer to the top of the pile to dump. And that the fence they put around the place kept some of the children out.

Brazil has -massive- poverty. It's just mostly out of sight (and mind) of the trendy capital-dwellers. Shoved up onto steep terrain in shantytowns, far away in the slums. If you take the wrong detour you will find yourself suddenly surrounded by it. It's been getting worse later; now that we've been saved from 'turning into Venezuela', cooking gas has become so expensive that many poor people are chopping everything they can to use lumber as a fuel source, and many are resorting to ethanol as well. Meaning we now have burn wards filling up, since alcohol is volatile as hell and not a safe cooking implement.

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

ZearothK posted:

It is as accurate as the moon being made out of cheese. Your colleague is either dishonest or lives in a well-insulated bubble from reality. I've heard people saying there is no racism in Brazil, which is naïve to malignant to say, but declaring that there is neither of the very visible poverty or homelessness in any of our major cities is a new level of delusional.

Brazil has dramatically improved its living standards in the last couple of decades, but in no way did it do away with extreme poverty or homelessness, and the high incidence of violent crimes in the country are a symptom of this, our current economic downturn is not helping either of those either. There are a lot of illegal occupations being done by the homeless, specially in the Southeastern regions. Here's a recent news article about it in English.

She's not Caucasian, but instead some sort of indeterminate mix of races. At the same time, she spews a lot of comments that are pretty unfortunate about race. She did mention both of her parents are doctors, so they had a pretty good life in Brazil.

I really didn't want to push the topic any further, since I did not have any more than a passing knowledge about Brazilian social issues.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, that's definitely not the case, those are are still very bad problems in here. I've noticed that some Brazilians overseas are ashamed of how hosed up our country is and try to downplay stuff like this when explaining Brazil to appear more civilized or some poo poo like that. It's stupid as hell.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

nerdz posted:

Yeah, that's definitely not the case, those are are still very bad problems in here. I've noticed that some Brazilians overseas are ashamed of how hosed up our country is and try to downplay stuff like this when explaining Brazil to appear more civilized or some poo poo like that. It's stupid as hell.

I think it's a mix of being embarrassed and trying to explain that although Brazil is bad it's not MEGA hosed up. I'd wager that girl comes from either a smaller city (probably in the South) or lived in a bubble on a major one. Here in Porto Alegre if I walk two blocks in any direction I see homeless people, and I'm in a pretty "good" area of the city all things considered.

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

nerdz posted:

Yeah, that's definitely not the case, those are are still very bad problems in here. I've noticed that some Brazilians overseas are ashamed of how hosed up our country is and try to downplay stuff like this when explaining Brazil to appear more civilized or some poo poo like that. It's stupid as hell.

This is just anecdotal based on the Brazilians I’ve met in the US, but I feel like you either get this or the exact opposite, where Brazil is the most hosed up country on earth and has the worst economy, the poorest poor people, etc etc.

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