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Sephyr posted:They were able to engineer Sranc, Wracu, skin-spies (these very recently) and other nifty stuff...so, um, no. Yup, were. Then those guys died.
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Skin-spies only appeared in the last 20 years and seem more complex than doglike humanoids with Nonmen faces, so obviously the Inchoroi can still use their Tekne to creat new stuff. It'd be a workable solution, yes, but as it stands it's just fanwank, Likewise, there is no Morgoth deal with only being able to corrupt existing life forms in this series. Sranc had Nonmen faces as a cruel joke to mess with them, not because they were made from Nonmen. Wracu aren't really made from anything.
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Sephyr posted:Skin-spies only appeared in the last 20 years and seem more complex than doglike humanoids with Nonmen faces, so obviously the Inchoroi can still use their Tekne to creat new stuff. It'd be a workable solution, yes, but as it stands it's just fanwank, Also for Wracu, they are not of one specific shape. The ones we encounter in the last series are all described as having different shapes.
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Sephyr posted:Skin-spies only appeared in the last 20 years and seem more complex than doglike humanoids with Nonmen faces, so obviously the Inchoroi can still use their Tekne to creat new stuff. It'd be a workable solution, yes, but as it stands it's just fanwank, Nah, Skinspies are several hundred years old. They were the reason the Mandate were groping in the dark. But Skinspies were the only piece of bio engineering done since Sil died, as far as we know.
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genericnick posted:Nah, Skinspies are several hundred years old. They were the reason the Mandate were groping in the dark. But Skinspies were the only piece of bio engineering done since Sil died, as far as we know. Considering all that sneaky bullshit that happened during/before the first apocalypse, I'm now not so sure that was just common human stupidity + infighting anymore. Maybe they had skinspies all along, which would explain all those acts of "treason" hampering the first crusade against the Consult.
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The human member(s) of the Consult might have been responsible for helping develop the skin spies as they mastered it and brought a new perspective.
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It's been awhile since I've read The Thousandfold Thought, but isn't Moenghus the one to address that the skin-spies are a new-ish invention?
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Mukulu posted:It's been awhile since I've read The Thousandfold Thought, but isn't Moenghus the one to address that the skin-spies are a new-ish invention? To be fair all of the Dûnyain are full of poo poo. Due to their nature I'm not sure how you'd know when they were invented, only when they were first recognized to exist.
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KPC_Mammon posted:To be fair all of the Dûnyain are full of poo poo. Moenghus mentions finding them through vocal dissonances, so we can infer that they arrived in Kian after he was blinded in his botched magical training. If they'd come around when he still had sight, he'd have spotted them even earlier.
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Didn't Akka have a capital d Dream where someone turned out to be a skinspy?Sephyr posted:They were able to engineer Sranc, Wracu, skin-spies (these very recently) and other nifty stuff...so, um, no. Also not-smaug says that he took part in the genocide of other worlds and was the first being to leave the ship. Whatever spawns the Wracu wasn't made by the Inchoroi. Bashrag on the other hand seem recent. And kind of crude in comparison. Schizotek fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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How is the pacing of the last two books? I just finished White-Luck Warrior and it felt really slow compared to all of the previous books.
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It improves a bit. WLW is the low point of the series in that regard. The other books have issues with repetition and hammering points home past the point of sense, but they move mostly alright.
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Anyone know anything about the sequel series other than it's about the No-God obviously?
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Amuys posted:Anyone know anything about the sequel series other than it's about the No-God obviously? I don’t even Bakker knows so there is that.
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Amuys posted:Anyone know anything about the sequel series other than it's about the No-God obviously? We're all pretty sure it'll have death swirling down.
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Sephyr posted:We're all pretty sure it'll have death swirling down. Death will not swirl down, Daniel Jackson. It will in fact swirl up.
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General Battuta posted:Death will not swirl down, Daniel Jackson. It will in fact swirl up. Because it is a whirlwind?
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Cardiac posted:Because it is a whirlwind? Depending on which hemisphere of earwa you are on death swirls in a different direction
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Amuys posted:Anyone know anything about the sequel series other than it's about the No-God obviously? There've been claims that the first book will focus on Crabicus(The Dunyain Boy) and that there will be non-linear stories included. Kosotor is "not done" and neither is Kellhus.
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Amuys posted:Anyone know anything about the sequel series other than it's about the No-God obviously? I just finished TUC a few days ago and spent some time reading the various fan forums, here's what I picked up (some of which has already been posted): - It will be called The No-God - Bakker is envisioning 2-3 books - Bakker doesn't have a ton planned. His original plan for the series, which he apparently thought up at least in broad strokes decades ago, ended where TUC ends. - The first book may focus on the crab-handed kid, or may be a collection of short stories, or both? - Kellhus is "dead but not done." Ajokli can't find him or doesn't know where he is or something like that. - Bakker may be considering a prequel novel set prior to TDTCB
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Bold Robot posted:- Bakker may be considering a prequel novel set prior to TDTCB Look, guys, I don't know if I made it clear, but the dog was REALLY shaggy
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I mean, I think the finale here was deeply flawed, but I will respect Bakker vastly more as an author if he has the balls to can any further sequels and stick with the narrative of his original vision. I'm really loving sick of series bloat for $$$ these days.
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Rime posted:I mean, I think the finale here was deeply flawed, but I will respect Bakker vastly more as an author if he has the balls to can any further sequels and stick with the narrative of his original vision. poo poo, yes. I can't really say when the acceptable format for telling a story went from 'trilogy' to ENTIRE BOOKSHELF, but it needs to be dialed back fast. This last book finished the job of killing my investment in the story, so it would be fitting if it was also the last one. Can't really find it in myself to care for a prequel, sequel or midquel after 6 volumes of high-minded grimdark wanking.
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Sephyr posted:poo poo, yes. I can't really say when the acceptable format for telling a story went from 'trilogy' to ENTIRE BOOKSHELF, but it needs to be dialed back fast. I was reading the series largely for high-minded grimdark wanking, so was somewhat disappointing that halfway through TUC it turned into just plain grimdark wanking. I feel a bit like I did at the end of Lost - yeah it was an emotional ride, but there's nothing to tickle my intellect, because all the questions and philosophy just got discarded. What was the zero god? Can damnation be averted? Is The God actually benevolent after all? Will anyone actually respect Saubon?
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The nonman that Kellhus fights at the very start of the series is the same nonman he fights a couple times during the big battle in TUC, right (Mekeretrig or whatever)? It seems like that nonman is a pretty high-ranking/important dude in the Consult, why is he wandering around in the middle of nowhere at the start of the series? I know there isn't going to be a satisfying answer and the number of "wait what's the deal with..." questions that will forever remain unanswered is high, but this one seems especially weird. Bold Robot fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Bold Robot posted:The nonman that Kellhus fights at the very start of the series is the same nonman he fights a couple times during the big battle in TUC, right (Mekeretrig or whatever)? It seems like that nonman is a pretty high-ranking/important dude in the Consult, why is he wandering around in the middle of nowhere at the start of the series? I got the impression that the Erratics are too...erratic to be properly involved in the Consult. They only really joined in when all the fighting started, and were probably happily doing their own thing before then. Mek's as crazy as the rest, not that odd that he'd be wandering around doing weird poo poo in ruins. Especially as all that territory is swarming with Sranc, he's basically in the Consult's backyard.
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Don’t they all sort of wander out and get killed for no reason in TUC? If they’d just waited a few hours they’d have a good shot at salvation instead of (probably?) eternal torment. Sad!
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quote:Will anyone actually respect Saubon? Pretty sure a lot of people respected him. Proyas was the one with that issue, except with his own men. Poor Proyas. 
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Pleiades posted:Pretty sure a lot of people respected him. Proyas was the one with that issue, except with his own men. It's reaaaaaaaall weird to go back to the original series now and be like "oh yeah, this ninny-prince is going to be ravenously loving some dudes rotting radioactive eyesockets in about 40 years." 
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Rime posted:It's reaaaaaaaall weird to go back to the original series now and be like "oh yeah, this ninny-prince is going to be ravenously loving some dudes rotting radioactive eyesockets in about 40 years." What a charming series.
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General Battuta posted:Don’t they all sort of wander out and get killed for no reason in TUC? If they’d just waited a few hours they’d have a good shot at salvation instead of (probably?) eternal torment. Sad! Crap, I hadn't even thought of that. Instead of trying to attack him, they should have just invited him in to look at the Inverse Fire thing. Sure, it ddn't work, but they didn't know that; in their experience everyone who looked upon it converted. and if it failed, well, they'd have more bigshots to try and contain the aftermath. But yeah, comparing it to Lost is pretty appropriate. Mimara gets the role of WAAALLLLTTTT! as someone supposed to be of cosmic importance t the plot who just vanishes like a fart in a hurricane.
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Rime posted:It's reaaaaaaaall weird to go back to the original series now and be like "oh yeah, this ninny-prince is going to be ravenously loving some dudes rotting radioactive eyesockets in about 40 years." Yea, that and getting raped in every way possible and then hung out to dry by the person he thought was the God of Gods.
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Rime posted:It's reaaaaaaaall weird to go back to the original series now and be like "oh yeah, this ninny-prince is going to be ravenously loving some dudes rotting radioactive eyesockets in about 40 years." Can we change the title to 'better than loving a hole in a radioactive corpse' yet
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Pleiades posted:Yea, that and getting raped in every way possible and then hung out to dry by the person he thought was the God of Gods. Not an uncommon trend throughout our own history, when you think about it. 
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Very true, Rime. Speaking of radio active corpses, now that I think about it, maybe it would have been more fitting if SAUBON got nommed by Proyas instead of Sibuwal. I think it would have been deliciously fitting.
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Sephyr posted:Crap, I hadn't even thought of that. Instead of trying to attack him, they should have just invited him in to look at the Inverse Fire thing. Sure, it ddn't work, but they didn't know that; in their experience everyone who looked upon it converted. and if it failed, well, they'd have more bigshots to try and contain the aftermath. The Dunyain probably wanted them culled.
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Syzygy Stardust posted:The Dunyain probably wanted them culled. So why not just kill them? They got rid of the coolest evil sorcerer we never got to see, I doubt they couldn't off a few Erratics. Also, suppose Kellhus was having an off day and one of them managed a lucky hit and killed him. Ooops, no more No-God! Fan-wankery to cover up needless complexity/senselessness is still wankery.
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