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The Sandman posted:The trick with the village will be never going there as 9S before finishing A2's side of the route. I just finished the game and had this happen and my gut just sunk, jesus gently caress that was brutal.
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chiasaur11 posted:What were you doing, anyway? Kind of curious how middle your position was. I made it through the Forest Castle, so around 1/3 of the game I assume.
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haldolium posted:I made it through the Forest Castle, so around 1/3 of the game I assume. Where you meet A2? Yeah, that's not a third through. There's a lot more game to go.
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Nov 28, 2017 11:04
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It's the internet. It doesn't matter how horny or weird the media is, if there's more than 10 fans some of them inevitably will be. And as this thread has elaborated earlier, other Nier/Drakengard games are way more hosed up, so that screenshot is pretty tame compared to some of Yoko Taros own (fandom referencing meta-)designs. It's not even close to "Tali's sweat theorycrafting". RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Nov 28, 2017 13:36
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Josuke Higashikata posted:
When you put main character (or at least the one in the middle of the box art) in combat high heels, mid-thigh stockings, a skirt that can be removed, and a top with a boob window you know exactly the kind of fans, in part, you're going to attract. No matter how much work you put into anything else.
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It was the ploy from the start to ride the wave of anime guys' bucks to deliver an existential story, so it was inevitable
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Nov 28, 2017 17:11
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Maybe Yoko Taro is just a pervert.
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Raxivace posted:Maybe Yoko Taro is just a pervert. When you meet 2B for the first time it is literally an upskirt shot. He's a pervert and deserves his entire fanbase.
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But I wanna like him, even though he creates 50% stuff I love and 50% stuff that makes me totally roll my eyes (looking at you, Yoko Taro's manga)
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I hope SE gives him money to create more absurd and sad/happy games. Also, I want reddit to burn down.
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I guess this is semi-connected but I've been thinking about it from lurking the GB thread so here goes: the thing about 2B's design is that it's obviously sexualized - it's a fetish goth girl, c'mon - but the game itself doesn't really TRY to sexualize her. Okay, the camera gets "panty" shots, but it's never an active effort, it's just her costume being designed as tittilating. When you don't have camera control I can't remember any "pervy" shots except for that one at that moment and that's super justified. It's kinda interesting, and I personally give it a pass because it's sexualized in more of a haute couture way than the usual "let's just make her as naked as possible" approach most Japanese media takes with these characters. At least they made it interesting.
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Dias posted:I guess this is semi-connected but I've been thinking about it from lurking the GB thread so here goes: the thing about 2B's design is that it's obviously sexualized - it's a fetish goth girl, c'mon - but the game itself doesn't really TRY to sexualize her. Okay, the camera gets "panty" shots, but it's never an active effort, it's just her costume being designed as tittilating. When you don't have camera control I can't remember any "pervy" shots except for that one at that moment and that's super justified. It's kinda interesting, and I personally give it a pass because it's sexualized in more of a haute couture way than the usual "let's just make her as naked as possible" approach most Japanese media takes with these characters. At least they made it interesting. THere's a trophy for a certain number of upskirts and 2B is always flashing people during battles. Her dress explodes and reveals her wearing a leotard vs 9S who is wearing boxers. The camera angle is extremely low to the ground for no reason and I had to adjust it so I could see the mobs. YT just knows his audience well.
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Nina posted:It was the ploy from the start to ride the wave of anime guys' bucks to deliver an existential story, so it was inevitable Raxivace posted:Maybe Yoko Taro is just a pervert. It can be both.
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Alder posted:THere's a trophy for a certain number of upskirts and 2B is always flashing people during battles. Her dress explodes and reveals her wearing a leotard vs 9S who is wearing boxers. The camera angle is extremely low to the ground for no reason and I had to adjust it so I could see the mobs. Other than the camera stuff (which, really, just felt like MGR to me, I never had trouble seeing anything or thought it was too low. Maybe I hosed with it a bit and can't remember), that's sorta my point, YT knows his audience, BEING sorta that audience himself, but the game itself doesn't seem to go out of its way to give them what they want.
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I literally just said this, but when you first meet 2B, the main character of the game, you are presented to her with an upskirt shot. This is not camera fuckery or whatever, this is a cutscene introducing you to the main character of the game. A conscious decision made by multiple people.
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Paul Zuvella posted:I literally just said this, but when you first meet 2B, the main character of the game, you are presented to her with an upskirt shot. Really? That shot makes an effort to NOT give you a panty shot despite being a tilt. I guess you get a bit of 2Butt for a couple of frames, but it definitely doesn't leer.
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Kibayasu posted:It can be both.
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Dias posted:Really? That shot makes an effort to NOT give you a panty shot despite being a tilt. I guess you get a bit of 2Butt for a couple of frames, but it definitely doesn't leer. Lol are you seriously defending this by saying "WELL YOU CANT ACTUALLY SEE HER PANTIES SO"
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There's no way to honestly describe the first sequence that you see 2B fully in (when she crash lands the harness, right before the game's first ground battle) as a "panty shot," unless you're willing to mutilate the definition to fit "you can see a sliver of her panties." The shot pans up on the side of her dress that covers her legs the most. The game has multiple opportunities to go for fanservice shots, and it does not.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Lol are you seriously defending this by saying "WELL YOU CANT ACTUALLY SEE HER PANTIES SO" I mean yes that by definition would mean that it is not a panty shot
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Just picked this game up, and man I'm in. Just finally unlocked fast travel and I have so many side quests to get to. Can't wait. I usually can't get into character fighters like Plat is famous for making but this one has its hooks in me.
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Saagonsa posted:I mean yes that by definition would mean that it is not a panty shot I don't know what your point is, I never said "panty", you're being pedantic about a thing i didn't even say.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Lol are you seriously defending this by saying "WELL YOU CANT ACTUALLY SEE HER PANTIES SO" It's not a sexualized shot at all. It's an action shot. There are THOUSANDS of ways to frame that scene as a panty shot, the game went for a very tame tilt that is more reminiscing of superhero movies than of eroge games or even outright pornography.
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Friends let's not go down this path.
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Paul Zuvella posted:I don't know what your point is, I never said "panty", you're being pedantic about a thing i didn't even say. No one in the history of humankind has done an upskirt shot in a piece of media to show off part of someone's left thigh as a piece of eroticism. As Dias said, there's a hundred different ways to shoot that sequence that provide gratuitous eroticism, and they chose not to do any of them. Alder posted:Friends let's not go down this path. I think it's important to emphasize that the team went out of their way to avoid fanservice in the development of the game, because they were aware that doing so would blunt the effectiveness of the core themes they were aiming for. Having a character who is dressed sexually, but is not sexualized by the camera's gaze, is hard to do well, and I think they succeeded beautifully. Vermain fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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The anime-fanservicy design is an unfortunate aesthetic because it's mostly incidental to the story and characters and will make people uncomfortable and bounce off. Yes, the game itself is more about how all the actors in it can't even barely grasp the basic emotional concepts and it's entirely in the agency of the player to be a creep - reminder that 2B actively moves the camera - but that and other related points probably could've been made in a way less off-putting to many people. It's even parodied in the silly looking machine "orgy" scene in the desert - all hollow pretense without any deeper meaningful understanding. There's a great scene between Adam and Eve in playthrough B as well. Of course YT and the character designers also just like what they like, and probably wanted a striking design for marketing as well. It's still miles ahead of "you will be ashamed of your words and deeds", though. RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Dias posted:I guess this is semi-connected but I've been thinking about it from lurking the GB thread so here goes: the thing about 2B's design is that it's obviously sexualized - it's a fetish goth girl, c'mon - but the game itself doesn't really TRY to sexualize her. Okay, the camera gets "panty" shots, but it's never an active effort, it's just her costume being designed as tittilating. When you don't have camera control I can't remember any "pervy" shots except for that one at that moment and that's super justified. It's kinda interesting, and I personally give it a pass because it's sexualized in more of a haute couture way than the usual "let's just make her as naked as possible" approach most Japanese media takes with these characters. At least they made it interesting. half the game's appeal is def because of the gothic lolita main character, people love the design and are attached to it. even though she's dull as dishwater she brings some kind of stylish spark into what amounts to Isaac Asimov For Dummies. Further into the game you get an even more scantily clad characters so it's just all asses all the time.
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RoadCrewWorker posted:It's even parodied in the silly looking machine "orgy" scene in the desert - all hollow pretense without any deeper meaningful understanding. That's not a really a "parody." It's a reflection of the androids. They believe that by embodying humanity's obsessions - sex and violence - they will become human. 2B's outfit is a fetish outfit in both meanings of the word. DLC Inc posted:half the game's appeal is def because of the gothic lolita main character, people love the design and are attached to it. even though she's dull as dishwater she brings some kind of stylish spark into what amounts to Isaac Asimov For Dummies. Further into the game you get an even more scantily clad characters so it's just all asses all the time. It's a great bait-and-switch. I had my suspicions pre-release that the surface (sexy gothic lolita android) was not the essence, but that's only because I know how Yoko Taro operates. I can't imagine how baffled someone who was going into this for T&A must have been. Vermain fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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DLC Inc posted:half the game's appeal is def because of the gothic lolita main character, people love the design and are attached to it. even though she's dull as dishwater she brings some kind of stylish spark into what amounts to Isaac Asimov For Dummies. Further into the game you get an even more scantily clad characters so it's just all asses all the time. Finally, someone speaking my language
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Vermain posted:No one in the history of humankind has done an upskirt shot in a piece of media to show off part of someone's left thigh as a piece of eroticism. As Dias said, there's a hundred different ways to shoot that sequence that provide gratuitous eroticism, and they chose not to do any of them. On the other hand, any time 2B sets foot on a ladder.
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Vermain posted:That's not a really a "parody." It's a reflection of the androids. They believe that by embodying humanity's obsessions - sex and violence - they will become human. 2B's outfit is a fetish outfit in both meanings of the word.
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I feel like YT could have made the same point if 2B wore pants like A2 though. I mean, we all have to accept A2 needed a greater role.
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Calling A2's outfit "pants" is very generous. Unless you mean the UK definition of the word.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:
I feel like this screenshot encapsulates 80% of the reasons I dislike Automata.
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Paul Zuvella posted:I don't know what your point is, I never said "panty", you're being pedantic about a thing i didn't even say. Oh, so you didn't. My bad
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I do have to admit I'm not a fan of how the game automatically moves the camera lower when you move without touching the camera controls making conspicuous angles more likely
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I'm reading a lot of talk in various threads about this game being pervy or using fan-service or trying to succeed through titillation, or how its themes are gender politics and life philosophy and it kinda bums me out because none of that resonated with me, I just enjoyed a great video-game that hit me with emotional payoff of an ending like no game i've played
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