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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Bullfrog posted:

This is creepy as gently caress. I personally find it extremely hard to believe that Fields acted alone:

1. This reason is obvious. He marched ~with~ Vanguard, with their shield, in their uniform. He would have had to be in communication with them.
2. Leaving the scene of a rally/protest alone is pretty rare. It's understood that your enemies are lying in wait to jump stragglers. This is hammered home to both antifascist and fascist demonstrators.
3. Somebody had to move that barricade. It could have either been (a.) a sympathetic cop (possible knowing the police, but I must admit, somewhat unlikely) (b.) just plain loving incompetent cops letting a "convoy" of fascists leave in the stupidest way possible. (c.) other fascists who either did it in secret, with no police around, or fascists who did it and were un-bothered by police.
4. Other fascists had withdrawn from the scene. The march at that point was an antifascist victory march. Why did they withdraw?

Another factor goes back to what we know about nazi organizing over the past century. "leaderless resistance" outlines a strategy where there are "legitimate groups" giving orders to "non-affiliated groups", so that the revolutionary activity can continue and then be decried as a lone-wolf once scrutiny falls on the so-called legit groups. I wish I could find the article I'm thinking of that goes more into depth about this.
Here's a video that shows Vanguard exiting the rally. This is from the YouTube channel of Azzmador (coincidentally, the same guy who interviewed Faith Goldy that got her into trouble). Azzmador and his crew of Daily Stormer guys marched out with Vanguard -- and Fields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIIVu1HdaF4&t=1831s

Starting the video where you see Eli Mosley giving orders (unclear). Azzmador is an older bearded man with a cap and ponytail. He has three men with black shirts escorting him.

You can see Fields just after 32:40 in their column. He pops back up from behind at 37:51 and at 38:10. Odd thing at 38:10. This is after they marched northwards toward McIntire Park where they were parked.

Go to 38:10 and pause it on that second and then hit play. The time between 38:10 and 38:12. Watch it several times.

"Hold on a second," someone says next to the camera.



Two seconds later. "Pointing to that guy."

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 21:43 on Nov 28, 2017

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


googled this and happened on this bit of gold from r/jordanpeterson

quote:

Most people on the Alt-right follow this progression. They really want to believe that different ethnicities can live along side each other peacefully. It might even be possible if you have closed borders and the differing ethnicities make up steady percentages and don't grab for gibs. Unfortunately though that is not what we have in the west. In the US it is important to remember that the preamble to the Constitution reads:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The only proven method for motivating long term (multi-generational) sacrifice is the knowledge that your decedents (and those they marry) will benefit from it. As long as you have a large number of separate mating groups society will only care about the present and make no provision for future generations. If the west wants to incorporate those people it has allowed into the "melting pot" it needs to turn off the tap and turn up the temperature. Only though struggling together do people see those that were once strangers as brothers. And only when a nation is comprised of people that see each other as an extended family do you get the pursuit of policies that are for the good of all.

second most upvoted comment

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
I wonder if the alt-right consider it a failure because 1 person died when they were obviously going for much more. It made them look both cowardly and ineffectual, while at the same time showed that yes, their genocidal free-speech ideology means they do want to kill people.

I wonder if had the murderer killed say, 25 people, they would be embracing him as a hero and they'd be leveraging that fear more effectively. People were righteously angry more than they were scared.

Ague Proof has issued a correction as of 21:46 on Nov 28, 2017

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Ague Proof posted:

I wonder if the alt-right consider it a failure because 1 person died when they were obviously going for much more. It made them look both cowardly and ineffectual, while at the same time showed that yes, their genocidal free-speech ideology means they do want to kill people.

I wonder if had the murderer killed say, 25 people, they would be embracing him as a hero and they'd be leveraging that fear more effectively.

Part of me believes that, but most of them seem like the type that just want the airs and respect of being some badass warrior-philosopher without having to actually get their hands dirty (or at least get hurt themselves).

Edit: If anything, the reason he wasn't lauded by the alt-right was because he is in legal trouble over the incident. Had he gotten away with it, I'm sure he would've become a hero to them, regardless of how many people he actually killed.

MizPiz has issued a correction as of 21:49 on Nov 28, 2017

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

37:58- "We need some vans maybe to come pick us up?" "Not all of these people"
38:10- "Hold on a second"
38:12- "(I'm?) Pointing to that guy"

I wonder if he was trying to subtly point to Fields off-camera at first, then just outright said it. Hmmm.

MizPiz posted:

Edit: If anything, the reason he wasn't lauded by the alt-right was because he is in legal trouble over the incident. Had he gotten away with it, I'm sure he would've become a hero to them, regardless of how many people he actually killed.

That's why I think they were trying to lean so heavy on the misinformation and memes. They wanted to make it a "self defense" thing somehow. Same with how they tried to manipulate the cops in arresting the man who was beaten in the parking garage. They didn't want to suffer consequences.

Bullfrog has issued a correction as of 21:51 on Nov 28, 2017

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Bullfrog posted:

37:58- "We need some vans maybe to come pick us up?" "Not all of these people"
38:10- "Hold on a second"
38:12- "(I'm?) Pointing to that guy"

I wonder if he was trying to subtly point to Fields off-camera at first, then just outright said it. Hmmm.
Keep an eye on this thread...

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Ague Proof posted:

I wonder if the alt-right consider it a failure because 1 person died when they were obviously going for much more. It made them look both cowardly and ineffectual, while at the same time showed that yes, their genocidal free-speech ideology means they do want to kill people.

I wonder if had the murderer killed say, 25 people, they would be embracing him as a hero and they'd be leveraging that fear more effectively. People were righteously angry more than they were scared.
Wouldn't shock me. They did that with the Charleston church shooter. And I've heard comments on their podcasts and such that they wish Fields had killed more.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
much like all mass killings now, people are excellent at least here in america about actively looking at any drat thing but the actual cause of the problem. almost literally a 24 hour limited amount of time for "give a poo poo" unless it effects them personally

eatenmyeyes
Mar 29, 2001

Grimey Drawer

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i'm pretty habituated to them but same. that still gets at me

this just now:

https://twitter.com/don_chump/status/935598161976012801

the question is who moved the barricade?

EDIT: maybe that was a bit much

eatenmyeyes has issued a correction as of 22:45 on Nov 28, 2017

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

yeah we should torture them, pull their fingernails off and poo poo

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
in lighter news...
https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/935626301657845760

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Beef with Based Stickman

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

lol if u dont pronounce "stickman" stickmen

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
I assume "merchants" is fash for "Jews".

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lol that people let that fed run roughshod over their stupid little clubs while multiple compromising criminal cases hang over him

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Karl Barks posted:

Beef with Based Stickman
old lady with a really thick chicago accent, "hey stickman! where's the beef!?"

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/935629190753280001

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/935626015266787329

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
I'm not 100% certain that Chapman's a fed, but it would be goddamn hilarious if he went witness protection and RICO'd the lot of them.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
https://twitter.com/bakkooonn/status/935629381560516608
:laffo:

RedneckwithGuns
Mar 28, 2007

Up Next:
Fifteen Inches of
SHEER DYNAMITE


I just came to post this. Holy poo poo they really can't do anything right

I thought it was Hatreon but apparently it's some knockoff site called "goyfundme" that's already been taken offline

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Lol the exact same mistake multiple bitcoin exchanges have made

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

RedneckwithGuns posted:

Hatreon
"goyfundme"

are we the baddies

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

drat id actually sign up for that if i could scam money off it

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Zeroisanumber posted:

I'm not 100% certain that Chapman's a fed, but it would be goddamn hilarious if he went witness protection and RICO'd the lot of them.

i've been wondering that since this happened:
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/based-stickman-kyle-chapman-faces-prison-11943171.php

and yet he's still seemingly out and doing things

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Karl Barks posted:

i've been wondering that since this happened:
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/based-stickman-kyle-chapman-faces-prison-11943171.php

and yet he's still seemingly out and doing things

as visible as he’s been the last year, would he be able to go into witness protection? His face is going to be all over the internet forever.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

business hammocks posted:

as visible as he’s been the last year, would he be able to go into witness protection? His face is going to be all over the internet forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jaAeTaG_ms

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer

Man gun YouTubes with five or ten times as many subscribers whose audience is almost entirely rich people looking to purchase guns don't even get free guns for promoting them. Who the gently caress is gonna give them to some cheeto fingered pubescent chud, especially since 80% of his subs can't even buy guns.

Bushiz has issued a correction as of 01:51 on Nov 29, 2017

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


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SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/935693870796627968

hopefully they can stop him before he kills and eats his sugar daddy employer

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


MizPiz posted:

I seriously can't wait for when people finally realize the system can't be repaired and must be completely rebuilt.
:ironicat:

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

SpaceGoku posted:

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/935693870796627968

hopefully they can stop him before he kills and eats his sugar daddy employer

LOL

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
wasn't that guy drinking from a flask at one of those events in the past? and the school had to tell him to stop because booze isn't allowed on campus?

not surprised

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


SpaceGoku posted:

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/935693870796627968

hopefully they can stop him before he kills and eats his sugar daddy employer

ugh they had a pass here to at least get a punch in but nope, missed opportunity

looks like she took his notes or something?

https://twitter.com/kallmekg/status/935690274902298629

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

ugh they had a pass here to at least get a punch in but nope, missed opportunity

looks like she took his notes or something?

https://twitter.com/kallmekg/status/935690274902298629

haha the loving replies on that

lmao

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

uncurable mlady posted:

haha the loving replies on that

lmao

Personal favourite is someone smugly pointing out that Wintrich will be released without charge while the student will be sent to the courts for stealing paper.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Ague Proof posted:

I wonder if the alt-right consider it a failure because 1 person died when they were obviously going for much more. It made them look both cowardly and ineffectual, while at the same time showed that yes, their genocidal free-speech ideology means they do want to kill people.

I wonder if had the murderer killed say, 25 people, they would be embracing him as a hero and they'd be leveraging that fear more effectively. People were righteously angry more than they were scared.

I’m on an optimistic streak right now and I honestly think if they had killed 25 people they might call it a victory but the reaction to it would have been much stronger.

Could you imagine Trump “many-siding” something that killed two-dozen people? I mean he could have I think you would have a pretty big backlash.

Dunno. Like I said I’m trying to half-full things (to maintain my sanity).

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

uncurable mlady posted:

haha the loving replies on that

lmao

the gateway pundit plugged in all his bot accounts, he must defend his favorite boy

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/sfiegerman/status/935606189966221313

If the FCC starts flexing its muscle against social media sites to force them to allow Nazi's to do whatever they want on social media there will be another Charlottesville style event within 6 months :toxx:

The best thing holding the Alt-Reich back at the moment is the fact that their communications and online propaganda efforts have been disrupted. If that goes away and the Nazi's get free reign over social media the resulting echo chamber effect will revitalize the Alt-Reich and (in conjunction with the assistance of Russian troll farms) make it virtually impossible to counteract whatever Narrative they put out about a given event.

The results will be goddamned disastrous for the country.

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Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
I like how conservatives have just decided to embrace being nazis now

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