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Re: The Sean Mckeever talk. I really liked his marvel stuff and was a big fan of Gravity. But yeah the Titans stuff was a tad souring, nice to know that he wasn't 100% the driving force on some of the decisions there. But then there was the Young Allies book he wrote at marvel (featuring Rikki Barnes Bucky, Gravity, firestorm and Aranya) where their prime antagonists were the villain group 'bastards of evil' who were the children of villains that received 0 hugs as kids. It smacked of a smarmy 'No, see its not a swear really because that's what they really are!' And I don't mind swearing really, but it felt like a cheap giggle for him and I'd end up rolling my eyes whenever someone said the name. I think I have the first couple trades of Johns run of titans somewhere but I havnt gone back to them because honestly the stuff happening here in mckeevers run didnt seem that far removed from the tone that came before it. Kid flash becoming a more serious character after having his kneecap shot is the only thing that comes to mind atm but am I wrong remembering it just carried on being miserable or is it worth re-reading? Agent_grey fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Really Doomsday Clock should be about Danny Chase being the architect of all evil in the DC universe in a Scrappy Doo in the Scooby Doo movie sort of way. I don't know what to make of Danny Chase, because he's obviously Marv Wolfman's self-insert, but why would a writer make his self-insert so patently unlikable? Usually, these characters are disliked because the creator tries far too hard to make them cool (c.f. Drift from Transformers) but Danny Chase did nothing but complain about how lame the Teen Titans were because they worse costumes.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know what to make of Danny Chase, because he's obviously Marv Wolfman's self-insert, but why would a writer make his self-insert so patently unlikable? Usually, these characters are disliked because the creator tries far too hard to make them cool (c.f. Drift from Transformers) but Danny Chase did nothing but complain about how lame the Teen Titans were because they worse costumes. I'd like to refer you to marv wolfman's other self-insert  I think he just ends up making them unlikable because he can't help it
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https://twitter.com/1moreGaryFrank/status/935399449605570560quote:Paste: The original Watchmen scripts were phone-book thick and dense with material. You and Geoff Johns have an extensive history, but did your creative process shift at all to tackle Doomsday Clock? Figured you guys would find this bit interesting. Also I haven't seen mentioned it but Cyborg is the first cancellation from Rebirth.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:11
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The old joke about Watchmen is Dave Gibbons purposefully ignored half the script because it was just too much detail.
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Nov 28, 2017 17:58
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The one I heard was that Moore would write these really dense, ultra-detailed scripts then end most of the panel descriptions with something like, "Or if you think something else would work better, go with that instead!"
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Nov 28, 2017 18:07
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I just saw a TV commercial for Doomsday Clock??
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Nov 28, 2017 18:12
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Thanks to this thread I was trying to think of ways to make Cyborg interesting. I came up with "He fights a neural network that generates names for supervillains, then makes those supervillains real," and now I want to read that very badly indeed
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vegetables posted:Thanks to this thread I was trying to think of ways to make Cyborg interesting. I came up with "He fights a neural network that generates names for supervillains, then makes those supervillains real," and now I want to read that very badly indeed 1) Stop with the 'oh woe is me I'm a robot and not a human' angst (I'm assuming he's still doing that because that's all he's ever done). 2) Give him an upgrade that lets him shift to a more human looking form. 3) Have him realize how rad it is to have crazy robot powers. 4) Basically make him more like his Teen Titans Go character. There. Fixed. 
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Nov 28, 2017 20:09
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Just make Cyborg into Kamen Rider.
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Wasn’t Blue Beetle the first announced cancellation of Rebirth? I thought I saw that a week or two ago.
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Nov 28, 2017 21:03
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I thought Superwoman was cancelled too
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Dexie posted:1) Stop with the 'oh woe is me I'm a robot and not a human' angst (I'm assuming he's still doing that because that's all he's ever done). They actually did half of those during that pre-rebirth Cyborg series, while also tackling the fact that in terms of people with cybernetic limbs, Cyborg... actually has it pretty great, all told. And then Rebirth happened and they put out a new Cyborg series that makes the Blue Beetle one look like loving Citizen Kane.
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Nov 28, 2017 22:10
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How was Trinity 2008-2009? I tried to find it online during cyber monday sale since it'd be 4.99 per volume, but it's literally impossible to get it in digital. I assume that's a bad sign. The premise sounds cool. Well, actually, I don't know the premise: I just know Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman become literal gods and find that ultra rad. But, since I'd have to get it physically, which costs more, how is it really?
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Nov 28, 2017 22:48
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Was that the Busiek series? It...wasn't great. Better than Countdown, but that's a low bar.
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vegetables posted:Thanks to this thread I was trying to think of ways to make Cyborg interesting. I came up with "He fights a neural network that generates names for supervillains, then makes those supervillains real," and now I want to read that very badly indeed I would be down for the return of Dial V for Villain.
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Covok posted:How was Trinity 2008-2009? I tried to find it online during cyber monday sale since it'd be 4.99 per volume, but it's literally impossible to get it in digital. I assume that's a bad sign. The premise sounds cool. Well, actually, I don't know the premise: I just know Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman become literal gods and find that ultra rad. But, since I'd have to get it physically, which costs more, how is it really? As a Busiek fan I will say it wasn't one of his better books. It was a weekly and because of that things were soooooo drawn out and plodding. It took a while for things to actually pick up and it did seem to get a tad better once the reality warping stuff kicked in, but for about 10 or so issues before that you had to deal with Batman, Superman and Wonder Women investigating a trinity, just like them. "You think it's a coincidence that we are investigating a trinity and the three of us make a trinity and there are three of us just like there are three things in a trinity so there is a trinity and we might be a trinity as well". This seems to go on and on and on.
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Madkal posted:As a Busiek fan I will say it wasn't one of his better books. It was a weekly and because of that things were soooooo drawn out and plodding. It took a while for things to actually pick up and it did seem to get a tad better once the reality warping stuff kicked in, but for about 10 or so issues before that you had to deal with Batman, Superman and Wonder Women investigating a trinity, just like them. "You think it's a coincidence that we are investigating a trinity and the three of us make a trinity and there are three of us just like there are three things in a trinity so there is a trinity and we might be a trinity as well". This seems to go on and on and on. In other words, if he did it in 6-12 issues, it might have been good. Doing it in 52 meant glacial pacing.
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To be fair, he was only writing like 3/4 of a comic per week, with the rest of the pagecount being used for character bios (I think?) so it was more like a 39 issue slog.
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The backup stuff with The Trans-Volitional Man, The Swashbuckler, Primat, and Sun-Chained-In-Ink was pretty fun for a while. Then it got folded into the rest of the book with that representational Tarot thing that never fully materialized.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:24
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I liked that book, but in all honesty I think I liked it in spite of itself. I seem to remember a pretty awesome Alternate History Dick Grayson, though.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:28
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What do people like in team comics? Because I've seen people be all over the board in regards to writers, artists, team members, and story. What's good about them seems really hard to pin down, and more or less coast by on legacy.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:33
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nofather posted:What do people like in team comics? I think the best thing about team comics is when they allow dynamics or interactions to flourish you wouldn't get in a regular comic, especially if you highlight lesser-known heroes. My absolute gold standard for this is Blue Beetle and Booster Gold who are characters who nobody would have ever considered putting together and yet are now inseparable.
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Teams that are created to be teams are usually much more interesting than just smooshing your biggest sellers together and calling it a day. A good X-Men story is way more interesting to read about than most Justice League comics because a lot of writers just focus on how powerful the league is with people like Superman and Wonder Woman on it. The X-Men were created from the ground up to be a team and so very few of them can carry a comic on their own. But at the same time I have hated it every time marvel tries to put Spider-Man and Wolverine on the Avengers because it feels like they're just putting whoever sells comics on the team.
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ImpAtom posted:I think the best thing about team comics is when they allow dynamics or interactions to flourish you wouldn't get in a regular comic, especially if you highlight lesser-known heroes. My absolute gold standard for this is Blue Beetle and Booster Gold who are characters who nobody would have ever considered putting together and yet are now inseparable. Out of curiosity, what is their best run?
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Covok posted:Out of curiosity, what is their best run? Justice League International https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_International
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nofather posted:What do people like in team comics? Take the Authority. You've got a guy that dives in and out of cities like aquaman, but can't really do anything techy. The Engineer can actually put all the Wi-Fi and Tech in that city to use, but conversely She's less connected to the day-to-day human stuff than Hawksmoore or Shen. On the other hand, F4 is more about how the characters compliment each other and builds on that. Sue humanizes Reed's singlemindedness, Storm's brashness is something Grimm can't really afford to do but it gives him a good outlet for frustrations (and is more of a Big Brother Little Brother relationship). I think the really good team stories are the ones that surprise you a little somehow, or take a new approach to something (Runaways scratched that itch for me way back when). Dexie posted:3) Have him realize how rad it is to have crazy robot powers. That's a vastly different cultural, technological and mental space than now. Even in the JL movie, Vic is all "I can hear WiFi and make Jetfeet and I'm a freak with holoprojector hands" instead of "I got no arms dad, I can't feel my clothes or taste my dinner but I know the exact chemical composition of a Big Mac". The character's more of a cool guy with robot powers than a rebuilt 6 Million Dollar Man kind of dude, with the closest he comes to bodyhorror being the subplot about not being in complete control of himself. Making him more appealing is just a matter of having him Extremis up his tech and the relationship he has to it, so that his condition isn't a burden in today's connected world. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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nofather posted:What do people like in team comics? I like when the team splits up, and you get small groups interacting while they complete separate objectives towards the larger goal. Claremont X-Men, Morrison JLA, Hickman Avengers, Johns JSA are four great examples of teams and why we love them.
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Madkal posted:It took a while for things to actually pick up and it did seem to get a tad better once the reality warping stuff kicked in, but for about 10 or so issues before that you had to deal with Batman, Superman and Wonder Women investigating a trinity, just like them. "You think it's a coincidence that we are investigating a trinity and the three of us make a trinity and there are three of us just like there are three things in a trinity so there is a trinity and we might be a trinity as well". This seems to go on and on and on. Compared to the Rebirth Trinity series, Busiek's is high art. It's trinities all the way down
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What is so bad about Rebirth Trinity? I really like Manapul but could it be that bad? (well apparently he's also writing it and I've always known him as an artist)
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I guess this is our first real life look at the new cover branding. https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/935690985023115264
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Batman smiling is terrifying.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Batman smiling is terrifying. Damian smiling is more terrifying
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Teenage Fansub posted:I guess this is our first real life look at the new cover branding. This is much better than the Rebirth trade dress, if a bit generic. (Still lolling that someone here called it minimalist.) I'm wondering if the DC logo will be on all their books, and the "UNIVERSE" bit will change for different sub-brands.
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Man. I guess the Batman annual lets you know how committed to the marriage Tom King is. Edit: Actually, the ageless Batman of another world he mentions has to be our one. This Batman who gets to die of old age is off on an Elseworld 
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Bring back the DC Bullet, IMO
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Neurosis posted:i just read brubaker's Authority: Revolution which I enjoyed. what are the authority runs that are viewed as essential? I've read ellis' and millar's and most of the post-worldstorm stuff. i hated millar's and ellis' was... okay, but i didn't think it was great or anything. v5 was alright but wildstorm got canned and that was that. Stormwatch from when Ellis jumps on (I want to say it's from 'Change or Die' and on all the way to the grim finale in Wildcats v Aliens) is great, I actually enjoyed it more than The Authority. That said, some of it is referenced quite heavily in his Authority run so you'll know the score on a lot of things already.
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Comic book nerds. From the realm of normal people I implore you for your assistance. What did Superman lift?
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Unsold back issues of the Death of Superman
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Has Superman ever lifted an entire planet?
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