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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:
To be fair seeing that silhouette specifically means doing the same thing for both tho
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I have a mild case of nostalgia for SLIGE, since I was using it back in 2004 to mess around with mods and such in my earliest days of Doom. I mean, it's not good, but I like what it generates to some degree, even still - hell, better than OBLIGE's maps in some cases.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:57
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Cephalectomy posted:To be fair seeing that silhouette specifically means doing the same thing for both tho …and it's not like “same look, only more muted colour → same monster, only weaker” is a particularly bad bit of visual communication.
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Nov 28, 2017 23:59
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Cephalectomy posted:To be fair seeing that silhouette specifically means doing the same thing for both tho Hey now, estimating how much ammo I need to kill one is different in maps where resources are tight!
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Nov 29, 2017 00:15
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Shadow Hog posted:I have a mild case of nostalgia for SLIGE, since I was using it back in 2004 to mess around with mods and such in my earliest days of Doom. (I like how Slige inexplicably prioritises Demons/Spectres over every other monster type when generating a map. Except I don't really, since it turns every loving skirmish into a tedious slog against a horde of obstacles which do nothing but get in the way while remaining somewhere which leaves them unable to move in to attack you.)
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I tried looking at the SLIGE source code once out of curiosity but it was like a single 4000 line .c file with no separation of concerns and bizarre comments everywhere.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I never played UT2K3, but I've heard, time and time again, about how horrible it was. What was the big problem? How could there be such a dip in quality from UT99 - UT2K4? I'm struggling to remember the finer details since it's been so long but, for me, UT2k3 stumbled on a few important things: Like others have already said, the "Assault" mode was conspicuously absent and (perhaps because of its contemporary technical demands) the game seemed to emphasize smaller teams and smaller levels. Whereas game modes like UT99's "Domination" had 2-4 teams fighting in levels with 3+ control points, UT2k3 had "Double Domination" with 2 teams and 2 control points. UT2k3 was also a little lacking in the mutators and maps departments. It all culminated in a game that was technically impressive and perfect serviceable, but didn't quite live up to the lofty expectations of UT'99. That being said, UT2k3 wasn't a horrible game, and I remember thinking it looked amazing when it first game out...but it also felt mechanically lacking compared to UT'99, and there wasn't a long enough gestation period for community-made mutators, levels, and mods to be implemented before UT2k4 came out and blew its predecessor out of the water. Everybody jumped ship. I remember the demo for UT2k4 including a single "Onslaught" map (ONS-Toran) that people played non-stop for months, and was a perfect indicator of how satisfying the new game mode was. There was zero reason to go back--it was an inferior version of UT2k4 in every single way, and that's the way it's remembered. Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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I use this site for any Slige "mess around with gameplay mods map" https://soulsphere.org/hacks/slige/ It's been auto generating a map a day since September 19, 2002. I use them when I basically want to play FPS Smash TV. D4T, Go Medieval On Their Asses, and High Noon Drifter work well with them.
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I absolutely hated Onslaught, and personally never understood why the community loved it so much. The whole mix of huge maps and vehicle based gameplay just felt so off in a game like UT.
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:I absolutely hated Onslaught, and personally never understood why the community loved it so much. The whole mix of huge maps and vehicle based gameplay just felt so off in a game like UT. People fell in love with it due to the one Onslaught map that came with the demo. All the maps in the full release weren't as fun.
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Shadow Hog posted:Bit of a segue, but it was recently noted in HG101's Discord that games don't really do colored projectiles as much as they loved to in the late '90s/early 2000s - starting right around the same "real is brown" fad that led to Unreal Tournament 3 looking as drab as it did. Colored lighting was like a big amazing thing as 3d games really got going. Glowing stuff was some nifty eye candy back then until people realized they probably didn't need every light source to be green or blue or red or whatever.
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Shadow Hog posted:I mean, it's not good, but I like what it generates to some degree, even still - hell, better than OBLIGE's maps in some cases.
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The Castlevania TC has updated with some improved artwork and bug fixes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mqZ0iXtgnM quote:-Brand new Simon sprites by Khefz
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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:Wait what? Which magical version are you using? All I get is a series of maps consisting of tedious boxroom chains, all loaded with poo poo which is almost certainly guarding the ammo required to loving kill them. Not like I need to apologize for my guilty pleasures or anything. 
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Nov 29, 2017 18:08
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Was UT2k3 the one with the opening cinematic showing the UT99 veterans being classy and shsit while the new tournament fighters were literal psychotic punks on meth with Malcolm just shaking his head at them? That was hilarious.
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MariusLecter posted:Was UT2k3 the one with the opening cinematic showing the UT99 veterans being classy and shsit while the new tournament fighters were literal psychotic punks on meth with Malcolm just shaking his head at them? That was hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b18Va6bl1Q4 End says Ut2k4, but that's actually the ut2k3 intro sequence.
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Is there any guide out there on the best way to play doom 3 in 2017 and what kinds of mods I should use? BFG Edition or 2004 retail edition?
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Nov 30, 2017 05:04
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ETPC posted:Is there any guide out there on the best way to play doom 3 in 2017 and what kinds of mods I should use? If you see a zombie punch the poo poo out of it Past that idk
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Retail edition without mods. Just use the widescreen ini changes and you're set. If you really want to play through it with mods then I remember Denton's Mod being pretty good over a decade ago. http://www.moddb.com/mods/dentons-enhanced-doom3-v202 The BFG Edition of Doom 3 and its expansion removes some areas/has weird changes and it's not worth it outside the 2 hour bonus campaign.
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That said, maybe buy it on sale for No Rest for the Living. A very steep sale, since I wouldn't pay more than $5-10 for that campaign (prolly closer to the low end of that range than the high end), but still, it's a good (but short!) Doom 2 mapset.
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Speaking of steep sales and Doom 3, Fanatical (formerly BundleStars) is running a bundle deal on the Doom franchise. Ten bucks gets you Doom 2016(!!), Twenty gets you the rest of the series in the form of the Classic Complete package and BFG Edition).
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Are there any tutorials or resources on how to make levels or mods for the original Half-Life? Making a mod for HL1 has always been something I've wanted to do, but I don't know if the dev tools for it are still available, or where you can find them.
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Max Wilco posted:Are there any tutorials or resources on how to make levels or mods for the original Half-Life? Making a mod for HL1 has always been something I've wanted to do, but I don't know if the dev tools for it are still available, or where you can find them. I actually got into making maps for HL1 like 2 weeks ago. Getting started with Hammer was the hardest part cause a lot of tutorials are long gone, you need a fair bit of googling to find anything specific for Goldsrc. You can get the SDK off Steam in the tools section. Apparently it doesn't come with the most up to date version of Hammer though, so you can get the unofficial Hammer 3.5.3, and then you should probably get Zoner's Half-Life Tools for compiling and to get a few extra features. This guide helped me configure Hammer for Steam. The Whole Half-Life has a bunch of tutorials you can look through, including an archive of VERC, the Valve Editing Resource Center, which might help for modding.
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Max Wilco posted:Are there any tutorials or resources on how to make levels or mods for the original Half-Life? Making a mod for HL1 has always been something I've wanted to do, but I don't know if the dev tools for it are still available, or where you can find them. Valve's official advice is "don't". Like they straight up recommend hacking up Quake over using goldsrc. Which is a shame because as far as I can tell no one's ever really hacked half-life style seamless level transitions into any of the quakes 
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The Kins posted:Speaking of steep sales and Doom 3, Fanatical (formerly BundleStars) is running a bundle deal on the Doom franchise. Ten bucks gets you Doom 2016(!!), Twenty gets you the rest of the series in the form of the Classic Complete package and BFG Edition). How long does it usually take for new accounts to get confirmed and keys available?
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HolyKrap posted:I actually got into making maps for HL1 like 2 weeks ago. Getting started with Hammer was the hardest part cause a lot of tutorials are long gone, you need a fair bit of googling to find anything specific for Goldsrc. Cool, thanks for the links. Keiya posted:Valve's official advice is "don't". Like they straight up recommend hacking up Quake over using goldsrc. I still want to attempt to make something in Half Life 1, but provided that doesn't pan out, is there something else that's worth trying out? I messed around with GZDoomBuilder a while ago, though I've forgotten a lot of the controls for it.
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I wish Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory was still a thing. That game ruled my high school years.
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Keiya posted:Valve's official advice is "don't". Like they straight up recommend hacking up Quake over using goldsrc. By "seamless level transition", do you mean that, when two levels have a transition area (e.g. a hallway) with identical geometry, and the player walks into the transition area, when the new level is then loaded, the player should be in the same position relative to the transition area, looking in the same direction? Keep momentum? I honestly never played much HL but I think those are the technical requirements, right? I wonder if it can't be implemented purely in the gamecode (QuakeC) or whether it does require engine-level hacking. I'd guess the biggest obstacle is that Quake 1 doesn't keep much state between map transitions. Edit: Something like having trigger_changelevel target (or be targeted) by an info_player_start, the target names used in both levels must match. When you trigger the changelevel, it records your position/angle/velocity relative to the targeted info_player_start, and restores those when the new map has loaded. Pretty sure that can be done with very little extension. I almost feel like trying. E2: vvv not quite, it doesn't keep relative position or angle. If you run backwards into the level transition you will still face forwards after the new map loads. nielsm fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 14:04
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Quake 2 has seamless level transitions, doesn’t it? Small levels compared to HL obvious, but...
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nielsm posted:I wonder if it can't be implemented purely in the gamecode (QuakeC) Put a reference entity at the same position in the map A and map B copies of the same hallway. When the level transition trigger is hit, record the player's location relative to the map A entity somewhere and offset the player's spawn location from the map B entity by that much when starting up the new map. Probably doable in QuakeC. For momentum and orientation you'd have to save and copy those to the new player instance. You'd still get a hitch when you hit the load point because that generation of engine didn't have background loading; that couldn't be fixed in QuakeC.
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nielsm posted:By "seamless level transition", do you mean that, when two levels have a transition area (e.g. a hallway) with identical geometry, and the player walks into the transition area, when the new level is then loaded, the player should be in the same position relative to the transition area, looking in the same direction? Keep momentum? Heck it's been implemented in ACS in GZDoom (see Gooberman's Gateway Experiments).
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ZDoom has Hexen's "hub" system, allowing for gamestate to be preserved and saved when travelling back and forth between maps (for example, having an enemy still be dead when backtracking across maps). I don't think Quake has anything like that.
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In QuakeC you only have a handful of fields which are preserved across level loads. Quite a few of them are actually unused in the base game, so it's not impossible to stuff info like that in there and get it back on level load, but it definitely isn't trivial either. In the end though, Quake 2 style transitions are probably "good enough" if you're trying to do something like that, because you most likely want to carry more important game state in those fields instead.
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haveblue posted:Put a reference entity at the same position in the map A and map B copies of the same hallway. When the level transition trigger is hit, record the player's location relative to the map A entity somewhere and offset the player's spawn location from the map B entity by that much when starting up the new map. Probably doable in QuakeC. For momentum and orientation you'd have to save and copy those to the new player instance. It also needs to persist the state of the level you're leaving so it's the same when you go back to it (IIRC Quake didn't support backtracking). And I think it needs to bring across other entities in the load corridor, like corpses, but don't quote me on that; it's been a long time since I played HL1.
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czg posted:In QuakeC you only have a handful of fields which are preserved across level loads. Quite a few of them are actually unused in the base game, so it's not impossible to stuff info like that in there and get it back on level load, but it definitely isn't trivial either. Yeah I've just examined it. There's 16 float-type (numeric) values preserved across level loads, and the base game uses 9 of them to store health, armor, ammo, weapons, and items held. (I think items really only counts the runes? It removes all powerups and regular keys before storing it.) That leaves 7 fields to store three vectors and a destination, which naively would need 10 fields. However I think it should be possible to pack some of the things, e.g. put both health and armor into a single field, since they've limited to 100 and 200 respectively, and similar with ammo values.
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nielsm posted:Yeah I've just examined it. There's 16 "float" (numeric) values preserved across level loads, and the base game uses 9 of them to store health, armor, ammo, weapons, and items held. (I think items really only counts the runes? It removes all powerups and regular keys before storing it.) That leaves 7 fields to store three vectors and a destination, which naively would need 10 fields. Yeah I've done that before, you can pack two or three health/armor/ammo values into one field. Runes are stored separately in the serverflags field if I remember correctly. I think there's also a string field or two that is preserved, but you can't do any string manipulation in Quake so that's pointless. Edit: I did actually get a fairly robust system working where you can travel back and forth between levels and have persistent world state, but it depended on loading a savegame for the next level instead of loading it directly. Then there's some QC stuff to detect if a savegame was loaded, and then fetch new player position and inventory from what I stashed into those fields before triggering the savegame load. czg fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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A3th3r posted:I wish Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory was still a thing. That game ruled my high school years.
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Linguica posted:I'll bet it hasn't aged particularly well. I tried playing recently and it was either bot servers or passworded servers.
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czg posted:Yeah I've done that before, you can pack two or three health/armor/ammo values into one field. Runes are stored separately in the serverflags field if I remember correctly. I think there's also a string field or two that is preserved, but you can't do any string manipulation in Quake so that's pointless. Right yes, without full map state persistence, seamless map transitions are mostly worthless. So you would definitely need an engine extension to store multiple map states in a single save file, and keep it ready during a play session. It looks like there is a defined standard for integrating engine extensions with QuakeC progs so it would be possible to make an extension like that and advertise it to progs, which can then implement the remaining transition logic. Apart from saving map states, it might also be an advantage to have an entity to hint preloading another map, and perhaps some functions for putting extra data outside the 16 predefined variables into "persistent state". Would be especially useful for Hexen-style triggering a switch in one map has effects in another map puzzles.
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