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I mean, it makes perfect sense to me that Thawne is just alive because he skirted off to an alternate universe to be a Nazi. Bruceski posted:Wait... if the goal was to get Supergirl's heart, why did they invade Earth-1? "I've got a location on the target, she's on another Earth surrounded by superpowered people. We're not fully prepared yet, let's go attack there instead." Maybe they determined that the combined heroic force of Earth 1 was less of a threat than the combined heroic force of Earth 38 with Superman, Manhunter, and whoever else is around (like they've implied Batman)? I mean, the answer is "we wanted to do a crossover" but I could accept that explanation if it really bothers you.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Like for poo poo's sake throw him in the magic prison or whatever. Nah he can't do that because But a few episodes ago he was perfectly willing to toss an innocent in there just because he didn't like him / he might be a meta and a villain
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Nov 30, 2017 01:19
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Also Thawne worked with/for the Nazis on Earth-1 at one point too, and that had nothing to do with Barry Allen. Thawne doesn't need a reason to be a massive inflamed prick; he just is one already.
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Nov 30, 2017 01:25
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Yeah, there's nothing I can think of about Thawne's past that indicates he'd take a stance against Nazism, genocide, or racism. I actually kind of appreciated that aspect of the crossover. Not only were they willing to take some of their main actors and have them play completely repugnant Nazi scum versions of their characters but they were willing to take Thawne (as played by the more regular actor) and just go ahead and make him a Nazi collaborator with no excuses or justifications. I was very much expecting something slightly more ambiguous.
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Nov 30, 2017 01:33
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, there's nothing I can think of about Thawne's past that indicates he'd take a stance against Nazism, genocide, or racism.
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Nov 30, 2017 01:36
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They threw Thawne in the pipeline in season 2 but then the timeline started to break. Again.
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Nov 30, 2017 01:39
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I mean, he's a psychopathic egomaniac. Does he really need a justification for signing up for power and free reign to kill people in a place where there's no true threat to him? I mean the whole Legion of Doom plot didn't have anything to do with Barry and was just about protecting himself. So he found a home where he's safe, powerful, and gets to be as evil as he wants to be. I guess its a little odd he'd sign up for the cross world stuff knowing first hand the threat of Earth 1's heroes but from the way it played out he just wanted to gently caress with Barry some more. And we've clearly learned by now Thawne doesn't actually regard any of the Earth 1 heroes as true threats. And he claims to have once took down Superman.* But yes, Barry just letting him go was dumb and probably makes Barry accountable for Thawne's next round of mass murder. *I think we're all sleeping on the possible implication of a future Thawne on Supergirl storyline.
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Nov 30, 2017 01:44
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Give Thawne and Darhke their own show.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:07
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is the whole barry not killing people a comic reference or something? to me a common turnoff for a number of network tv shows, even ones not superhero related, is when a protagonist refuses to kill someone when it would objectively be for the greater good for everyone, and it just reeks of reaching some network tv age rating requirement or something. didn't arrow go through a phase where oliver wasn't supposed to kill people or something? For the sake of keeping hold of an antagonist for future episodes makes sense i guess. and, after all, you want these superhero shows to be acceptable for teens on network tv it seems bleh whatev. all i know is i seem to like the rated R superhero movies more than the pg13 ones but that's just me
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Nov 30, 2017 02:13
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Invalid Validation posted:Give Thawne and Darhke their own show. They already paired them together in S2 of Legends of Tomorrow, along with Malcolm Merlyn.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:14
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Yea do more.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:15
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The next Crossover should be The Legion of
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Nov 30, 2017 02:42
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This crossover just made me really want more JLU. God I love JLU.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:44
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FactsAreUseless posted:This crossover just made me really want more JLU. This. That series should have lasted longer. Christ, we got a whole episode about Booster Gold, goddamnit.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:46
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I mean, if you count Justice League it was three and a half seasons. And we have the rest of the 90s DC stuff.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:49
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I'm assuming they used Thawne instead of Barry as a Nazi because they literally just got done with evil Barry as a villain.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:51
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muscles like this! posted:I'm assuming they used Thawne instead of Barry as a Nazi because they literally just got done with evil Barry as a villain. Who cares more Wellsthawne!  Also "Superman's fast. I'm faster  " is peak Eobard
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Nov 30, 2017 02:54
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Also, it's subtle, but I love how Eobard's go-to response for people making fun of his name is Actually I'm Extremely Not Mad, You're the One Who's Mad. It really drives home how petty he is that he insists on reminding people that no one will remember their name but the world will know his name. His stupid, stupid future name.
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Nov 30, 2017 02:56
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The Lord Bude posted:It's a parallel to him being the Mayor on Earth 1. STAC Goat posted:But yes, Barry just letting him go was dumb and probably makes Barry accountable for Thawne's next round of mass murder. Joe Mama Poonana posted:didn't arrow go through a phase where oliver wasn't supposed to kill people or something?
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Nov 30, 2017 03:07
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muscles like this! posted:I'm assuming they used Thawne instead of Barry as a Nazi because they literally just got done with evil Barry as a villain. But yeah, Barry fighting an evil Barry would have been a tad redundant. Tiggum posted:As I remember it, he said he wasn't going to kill any more and then he sort of gradually started killing people again and no one said anything about it.
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Nov 30, 2017 03:16
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Oliver basically kills people if he has to but doesn't set out to do it.
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Nov 30, 2017 03:19
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Yeah, but it took awhile to come to peace with that. And odds are it will haunt him again. But Season 5's main storyline was basically Oliver wrestling with the consequences and morality of his killing.
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Nov 30, 2017 03:21
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Here's a question: how did Thawne end up fighting Superman? Did he travel to the future of Supergirl's Earth and fight him there? Does Superman show up at some point in Earth-1's future? Did he kill a good Superman on Earth-X?
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Nov 30, 2017 03:37
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Xelkelvos posted:The next Crossover should be The Legion of The perfect Arrowverse Legion of Doom is Thawne, Merlyn, Darhk, Grodd, Lillian, Laurel, and Zod (assuming Zod actually shows up again on Supergirl and wasn't just a one-off cameo). Fight me.
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Nov 30, 2017 03:38
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ShakeZula posted:Here's a question: how did Thawne end up fighting Superman? Did he travel to the future of Supergirl's Earth and fight him there? Does Superman show up at some point in Earth-1's future? Did he kill a good Superman on Earth-X?
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Nov 30, 2017 03:41
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ShakeZula posted:Here's a question: how did Thawne end up fighting Superman? Did he travel to the future of Supergirl's Earth and fight him there? Does Superman show up at some point in Earth-1's future? Did he kill a good Superman on Earth-X? We have no idea. He said "it happens in the future" so it could be anything (except the Earth X thing, since that would have been in the past). Thawne's effectively the embodiment of "unreliable narrator". He could be full of poo poo. He could be describing an upcoming Supergirl episode. He could be predicting the next crossover. He could be talking about Earth 25. Who knows?
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Nov 30, 2017 03:43
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STAC Goat posted:We have no idea. He said "it happens in the future" so it could be anything (except the Earth X thing, since that would have been in the past). He's a speedster, he could have done it during the episode.
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Nov 30, 2017 03:44
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Yes, its entirely plausible and within character that when Kara said "my cousin will get you" Thawne's ego was just wounded so he speeded off to another Earth to fight a Superman just to feel better. I actually kind of like the idea that while we know Thawne as being utterly pettily obsessed with Barry that his part in this scheme could have been motivated by some petty hatred of Kara or Clark that comes from some future/past/alternate rivalry from when we last saw him.
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Nov 30, 2017 03:47
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The way the exchange played between them I'm pretty sure Thawne explicitly meant Kara's cousin, Earth-38 Clark/Superman. Though knowing Thawne, it was probably either a draw or Clark ruined his rear end but he ran away and called it a victory.
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Oh, my hope is definitely for a future storyline where Thawne goes to Supergirl and fights her and Clark which in turn makes him hate them and motivates his signing up with Nazis to kill her.
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nine-gear crow posted:The perfect Arrowverse Legion of Doom is Thawne, Merlyn, Darhk, Grodd, Lillian, Laurel, and Zod (assuming Zod actually shows up again on Supergirl and wasn't just a one-off cameo). You forgot The Trickster.
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Xelkelvos posted:You forgot The Trickster. Aw poo poo you're right!
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nine-gear crow posted:Aw poo poo you're right! What Breacher? Can he be a villain?
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Nov 30, 2017 05:19
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XboxPants posted:What Breacher? Can he be a villain?  DO I GET TO KILL ANYONE
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Nov 30, 2017 06:15
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Okay, fine. The perfect Arrowverse Legion of Doom is Thawne, Merlyn, Darhk, Grodd, Lillian, Laurel, Trickster, Breacher, and Zod. Fight
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Nov 30, 2017 06:24
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This crossover has reminded me that Reverse Flash is the best villian. Not just because his story was the most personal, well thought out and acted, but his design is so terrifying. I know nothing about the Flash comics but the odd colour scheme of yellow and black with red lightning in live TV really works for me. Coupled with the blur effect and the weird headlight glowing eyes, it's really menacing in a monster kind of way.
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Nov 30, 2017 07:18
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Really liked the whole crossover. but this is like the third time team flash just lets a villain walk away this season. Have they all forgotten prisons are a thing?
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Nov 30, 2017 14:57
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I mean, every time they try to kill Thawne, they just made things worse. Letting him live probably saved the whole universe.
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Nov 30, 2017 15:20
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Atreiden posted:Really liked the whole crossover. but this is like the third time team flash just lets a villain walk away this season. Have they all forgotten prisons are a thing? whine whine whine if they use No Lunch Supermax, whine whine whine if they DONT use No Lunch Supermax. What do you want...some sort of process in place where they get put in prison for a set amount of time based on the crime they committed? 
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Tiggum posted:Wells said there were 53 Karas and 53 Olivers, presumably meaning everyone has a double on every world. So Earth 1's Superman and Supergirl just haven't shown up yet. Presumably their Krypton didn't explode, since that's the easiest out.
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