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MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you

Arcsquad12 posted:

Sabbat Crusade, the anthology collection published last year. Not to be confused with the Sabbat Worlds anthology or the Sabbat Worlds Crusade guidebook which Black Library should have republished instead of simply including it in a special edition version of Sabbat Crusade that they only made 500 copies of.
Forcing people to track down and pay dearly for out-of-print books probably gives them some sort of collective sexual pleasure.

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Agentdark
Dec 30, 2007
Mom says I'm the best painter she's ever seen. Jealous much? :hehe:

Arcsquad12 posted:

Sabbat Crusade, the anthology collection published last year. Not to be confused with the Sabbat Worlds anthology or the Sabbat Worlds Crusade guidebook which Black Library should have republished instead of simply including it in a special edition version of Sabbat Crusade that they only made 500 copies of.

Thankyou!

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

Arcsquad12 posted:

Sabbat Crusade, the anthology collection published last year. Not to be confused with the Sabbat Worlds anthology or the Sabbat Worlds Crusade guidebook which Black Library should have republished instead of simply including it in a special edition version of Sabbat Crusade that they only made 500 copies of.

I own one of those 500 :shepspends:

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Devastation of Baal and The Emperor's Legion were both... good? What is going on here? Are there more than 2 competent writers taking BL money?

Gooses and Geeses
Jan 1, 2005

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?

Demiurge4 posted:

I own one of those 500 :shepspends:

:smugbert:

Me too and it's superb.

Really want to get the presumably stupidly expensive set for the Warmaster they're releasing in the next day or two.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

wiegieman posted:

Devastation of Baal and The Emperor's Legion were both... good? What is going on here? Are there more than 2 competent writers taking BL money?

Chris Wraight and John French have always been in the B tier of authors after Abnett and ADB. They mostly dabble in bolter-porn but make it slightly more compelling than most. Though Carrion Throne was really great and I'd put it up there with some of the top BL novels I've read. Battle of The Fang and Wrath of Iron are a lot of fun and their HH novels tend to be the better ones.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




Arcsquad12 posted:

Sabbat Crusade, the anthology collection published last year. Not to be confused with the Sabbat Worlds anthology or the Sabbat Worlds Crusade guidebook which Black Library should have republished instead of simply including it in a special edition version of Sabbat Crusade that they only made 500 copies of.

I just bought it when it was reprinted as a standard novel.
Was really surprised to see a guardswoman on the cover too. Which was nice.

Pendent
Nov 16, 2011

The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius
Grimey Drawer
I'd put both Chris Wright and Guy Haley solidly into the "A" tier for Black Library authors after their past few books. The key with any author for 40k fiction seems to be finding the right topic for them to write about- Guy Haley had better be the new Blood Angels guy because he writes them better than anyone ever has. Chris Wright seems to do really well with stuff that has a more political bent- didn't he do both Watchers of the Throne and The Carrion Throne?

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
Wright also did both the White Scars books for Horus Heresy, both of which I liked a lot.

Vadoc
Dec 31, 2007

Guess who made waffles...


Quality also suffers if they're being tasked to do quantity.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
I just wish Sandy Mitchell came back

Mikojan
May 12, 2010

Chris Wraight also wrote:

Sword of justice
Sword of Vengeance
Luthor Huss
The fall of altdorf

Which are all for sure above average. So if you like Warhammer Fantasy I recommend picking them up.

My warhams MO is basically to blindly buy anything by ADB, Abnett and Wraight

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
With all this talk about the few good BL authors, is there a best of the worst? Like did CS Goto write a story/novel that is so batshit insane it's just a comedy of errors or were they all just aggressively mediocre and wholly fixated on one particular part of the canon?

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010
Ben Counter is generally pretty terrible but he wrote a book called Daemon World that's a lot of fun and pretty imaginative. Just a book about conflict on a planet in the Eye. Not really something explored much.

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
There was always the ancient one called Eye of Terror, which featured a Mos Eisley style cantina inside the Eye of Terror with a Wraithguard :wtc: hanging out in it who had a Melt-, I mean Pla-, I mean Meltagun. (It changes which it is repeatedly because the author didn't know they were different, presumably.)

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Shockeh posted:

There was always the ancient one called Eye of Terror, which featured a Mos Eisley style cantina inside the Eye of Terror with a Wraithguard :wtc: hanging out in it who had a Melt-, I mean Pla-, I mean Meltagun. (It changes which it is repeatedly because the author didn't know they were different, presumably.)

This is an older novel and if you haven't read it, you should. It's loving awesome to see how the author depicts stuff we are familiar with and is grimdark as gently caress. One of the scenes ends with a marine floating outside of a space station cause he got lost in the assault and everyone else died.

Also another marine crashes on a daemon world, runs into a chaos marine and the chaos marine totally corrupts him

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

Waroduce posted:

This is an older novel and if you haven't read it, you should. It's loving awesome to see how the author depicts stuff we are familiar with and is grimdark as gently caress. One of the scenes ends with a marine floating outside of a space station cause he got lost in the assault and everyone else died.

Also another marine crashes on a daemon world, runs into a chaos marine and the chaos marine totally corrupts him

It's been 14 years, but wasn't it the same Dark Angel? Also said chaos marine lives in a tree doesn't he?

Also- rogue trader and his pals taking shots of pure warp-juice at said cantina. Book was loving weird yet amazing for someone who was just getting into the hobby.

Immanentized fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Dec 1, 2017

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I think it was your right. It's been a long time but I love that book. It's still on my shelf

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I currently have The Warmaster in my hands and I am torn between reading it or finishing my assignments.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
Only one day left until I can start the eternal wait for the Warmaster sequel. Get hype!

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

:catstare:

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

bunnyofdoom posted:

I just wish Sandy Mitchell came back

This. His Dark Heresy books were really good, too.

:(

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

A new Ciaphis Cain novel was announced at the Black Library weekend a fortnight ago. I don't believe a release date was given, but it's presumably not that far out if they're prepared to talk about it.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
Wtf. I'm in the middle of buying the Warmaster ebook on the Black Library site and I've got 50 % off randomly? What warp trickery is this.

Alternative pants
Nov 2, 2009

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.


Syncopated posted:

Wtf. I'm in the middle of buying the Warmaster ebook on the Black Library site and I've got 50 % off randomly? What warp trickery is this.

Don’t question it!

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009
Welp, bought my first ever special edition

Gooses and Geeses
Jan 1, 2005

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?
Warmaster box thing bought!

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




I am now looking at the cover of Warmaster, open on my iPad.

I'm also steeling myself for what happens to poor Kolea. I'm setting my expectations at "becomes a demonhost more powerful than Cherubael and kills Ludd, Zweil, Criid, Daur and the Saint." It probably won't be much worse than that.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Ya'll fuckers use spoilers

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

mllaneza posted:

I am now looking at the cover of Warmaster, open on my iPad.

I'm also steeling myself for what happens to poor Kolea. I'm setting my expectations at "becomes a demonhost more powerful than Cherubael and kills Ludd, Zweil, Criid, Daur and the Saint." It probably won't be much worse than that.

gently caress you, Ludd is destined to bumble along until the end times and in a charming turn of events- end up stealing Sabbat from Brin Milo, all because of Hark's effort behind the scenes.

Blenner has a dalliance with a charming Cadian female Lieutenant, and sires a son.

Edit: Oh gently caress this is bleak.

Immanentized fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Dec 3, 2017

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Immanentized posted:

gently caress you

Exactly ! This is a worst case, so whatever happens will be a relief.

It's bleak, but it's gooooooood.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

mllaneza posted:

Exactly ! This is a worst case, so whatever happens will be a relief.

It's bleak, but it's gooooooood.

My kindle says I'm 68% in and gattdamnnnnn

Col.Schultz
May 14, 2010

Till we come to some beginning within our own power...
Well... that was certainly worth the wait.

MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you
The last few novels I read were all 40k stuff so I was going to go for some Scott Lynch or something next, but it sounds like I should maybe get to Warmaster first. :ohdear:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Flynn Meryn, you are up there with Lijah fething Cuu as far as horrible people go.

Even with the typical Abnett ending, that was fantastic. It felt like a redux of Sabbat Martyr at times, except good.

So, Yoncy is almost certainly a daemon that has replaced the real, male Yoncy, and she's apparently the bad shadow humanoid buzzsaw. So my theory is that she is the Voice of Sek, and she has been planted in the Ghosts as part of a long game by Annakwenar to assassinate the Crusade's High Command at some point. The offensive withdrew the moment the sons of Sek attacked her, just as the battleship drove off the void scavengers the moment they threatened the Eagle Stones. And the reveal by Mabbon that the Sanguinary Tribe's language refers to objects in feminine terms would further imply her daemon status.
Also, Ezra got the Muril treatment, and Mkoll did a MkVenner


And how old would Yoncy be? Dalin was 10 in Necropolis if my math is right, and he's 24 in Warmaster, considering the book mentions five years have passed since Jago, where he was 19. At bare minimum Yoncy is 14-15 by those numbers, but is mentally something like a six year old.
The timeline is really screwy. Vervunhive is 769 M41, Jago is 778 M41, and Salvation's Reach is 781 M41, but Warmaster is 791 M41 due to the Warp accident's 10 year time dilation. Meaning there's two years unaccounted for in Gaunt's thoughts.
Or it was a typo. Glad to see Black Library editors are as poo poo as ever at catching grammar mistakes, improper formatting and continuity gaffes. Twice I saw two separate paragraphs in different locations smashed together.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Dec 3, 2017

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


I feel like there was a lot of red herring nesting going on. I basically have to CIA document the entire rest of the post to say anything else, but

I'm willing to bet that she's not a demon, she's literally Sek's daughter hiding under an assumed identity for whatever reason. The demon ship wasn't talking about a "creation", it was saying this is what you get for trying to kill his daughter.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

Or it was a typo. Glad to see Black Library editors are as poo poo as ever at catching grammar mistakes, improper formatting and continuity gaffes. Twice I saw two separate paragraphs in different locations smashed together.

Nic Vincent, Dan's wife does most of his editing, I'm not sure if BL does much secondary editing beyond formatting.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
This loving book man.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Immanentized posted:

Nic Vincent, Dan's wife does most of his editing, I'm not sure if BL does much secondary editing beyond formatting.

Well what I caught did bother me, regardless of BL or Nic Vincent. Didn't detract from the story but it felt sloppy, like a 1st year essay mistake.

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Arcsquad12 posted:

Flynn Meryn, you are up there with Lijah fething Cuu as far as horrible people go.

Blenner too. A couple of major fethwipes right there.

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