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Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Manuel Calavera posted:

Less so than his fellow Neocon scum, I meant. I'm not familiar with everything he's done, outside of him being just another one of the terrible media personalities, who "THE LEFTIST MSM" love.

I really wish that they would use a different abbreviation than MSM when talking about the media. In different circles, MSM means something waaaaaay different.

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Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

This got lost in the Trump thread, anyone got more info about this? Relevant since project Veritas is involved.

https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/935608227227717632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I do a little game with Hannity's show on my drive home.

Since I can't loving stand to listen to his smug rear end for longer than a minute, I flip over to his show during commercials on whatever I'm actually listening to and see how long it takes for him to say liberal media, Clinton, Franken or Benghazi.

It doesn't take long.

I got into a weird political conversation with a libertarian-ish dude the other night and it didn't go well. I usually avoid these conversations anymore but he started it by asking me what I thought about NFL anthem protests (I side with the players). The conversation spiraled horribly as he turned into a RWM talking points machine and I'll spare everyone the details beyond, when it came to the topic of income inequality, his solution was "start a business".

Ok, dude. I wonder why that never loving occurred to me. Let's have a society where everyone owns their own business. So simple!

I was being fairly cordial while standing my ground as he projected and put LWM talking points into my mouth and ascribing to me things I'd never said, but he rally pissed me off near the end of a 15 minute conversation by saying he "felt sorry for me". gently caress you, dude. I asked him if he knew how smug and condescending he sounded by saying that and told him I didn't want his pity or his loving sympathy. This was from a guy who 10 minutes earlier was bitching about how there''s no common ground and how we're all so divided.

These people strike me as the types who watch Wall Street and Scarface and think that Gecko and Tony Montana are the heroes.

Ranting, I know, but lastly I caught a few seconds of Rush today explaining that his entire mission with his show is to "show us who liberals really are". Except when he fucks up, of course, in which case he's just an entertainer.

God, I hate these people.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE



His stance is appalling.

viral spiral
Sep 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich

Prester Jane posted:

Ben Shapiro was the forerunner to Milo (literally, as in his ouster as unofficial spokesman of the Alt-Righ was what directly lead to the rise of Milo) and he also worked for a blatantly anti-semitic propaganda outfit (Breitbart) for years without a single complaint. Shaprio is an amoral psychopath just like the rest of them- he just happens to keep his screeching at a slightly lower volume so that makes morons like Joe Scarborough treat him like he is a legit intellectual.

Also he is a sniveling coward who nearly poo poo himself when he provoked a transwoman who was a former Navy Seal and got just a tiny bit of what he had coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4

Yeah, Shapiro and Milo have 99% of the same views. The only difference between them is their stance on style and tactics.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Fearless posted:

His stance is appalling.

You gotta lean waaaaaay back, like you’re scared it’s going to go off.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

Electric Phantasm posted:

This got lost in the Trump thread, anyone got more info about this? Relevant since project Veritas is involved.

https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/935608227227717632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

This poo poo is horrifying but lol broken windows gotta throw the book at the unruly masses.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

viral spiral posted:

Yeah, Shapiro and Milo have 99% of the same views. The only difference between them is their stance on style and tactics.

The best part of their relationship was when Breitbart would force them to appear on stage together and seeing the rigid tension between them and how much Ben just utterly seethingly hated Milo as a person despite agreeing with him on literally everything except how much sex one should have (once only per lifetime and for the purpose of procreation only) and with who (your white female cis-gendered wife). As one would expect from a pairing of a man called TaliBen by even his friends, and a guy who has four buff black dudes in thongs cart him around in a palanquin just to go to the store and by milk.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Didn't see this posted yet. Stolen from the Trump thread

Knifegrab posted:

Did anyone see the two videos of the interview with the project veritas wet fart guy? WaPo released the uneditted ordeal and veritas recently a HEAVILY editted version. They are such bags of poo poo:

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/935263067671334912

vs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...m=.a46684a47cdf

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

nine-gear crow posted:

The best part of their relationship was when Breitbart would force them to appear on stage together and seeing the rigid tension between them and how much Ben just utterly seethingly hated Milo as a person despite agreeing with him on literally everything except how much sex one should have (once only per lifetime and for the purpose of procreation only) and with who (your white female cis-gendered wife). As one would expect from a pairing of a man called TaliBen by even his friends, and a guy who has four buff black dudes in thongs cart him around in a palanquin just to go to the store and by milk.

i don't think they're too far off on that point either

he put out a bill o'reilly style political thriller last year where he spends an inordinate amount of time lovingly describing the physical details of large men

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

BiggerBoat posted:

I do a little game with Hannity's show on my drive home.

Since I can't loving stand to listen to his smug rear end for longer than a minute, I flip over to his show during commercials on whatever I'm actually listening to and see how long it takes for him to say liberal media, Clinton, Franken or Benghazi.

It doesn't take long.

I got into a weird political conversation with a libertarian-ish dude the other night and it didn't go well. I usually avoid these conversations anymore but he started it by asking me what I thought about NFL anthem protests (I side with the players). The conversation spiraled horribly as he turned into a RWM talking points machine and I'll spare everyone the details beyond, when it came to the topic of income inequality, his solution was "start a business".

Ok, dude. I wonder why that never loving occurred to me. Let's have a society where everyone owns their own business. So simple!

I was being fairly cordial while standing my ground as he projected and put LWM talking points into my mouth and ascribing to me things I'd never said, but he rally pissed me off near the end of a 15 minute conversation by saying he "felt sorry for me". gently caress you, dude. I asked him if he knew how smug and condescending he sounded by saying that and told him I didn't want his pity or his loving sympathy. This was from a guy who 10 minutes earlier was bitching about how there''s no common ground and how we're all so divided.

These people strike me as the types who watch Wall Street and Scarface and think that Gecko and Tony Montana are the heroes.

Ranting, I know, but lastly I caught a few seconds of Rush today explaining that his entire mission with his show is to "show us who liberals really are". Except when he fucks up, of course, in which case he's just an entertainer.

God, I hate these people.

Funny how often that "I'm a libertarian!" canard will be thrown out there to mask how much RWM Kool-Aid they've consumed, and it literally takes the most basic questioning to instantly strip that patina away and see them collapse into Sean Hannity parrots. Just pathetic, really. Yeah, gently caress that guy. I hate Trump but I at least...SHOCKER...can articulate how and why without parroting Michael Moore or Rachel Maddow (people who I listen to with a big block of salt handy as it is), just to use two counter examples of people RWMers hate. Part of why we're so hosed up as a culture is that too many people don't expend the energy to ANALYZE what they see/hear, they just hear it and repeat it.

"I got this real moron thing I do, it's called...THINKING! And I'm not a really good American because I like to form my own opinions." --George Carlin, Jammin' In New York

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

The Muppets On PCP posted:

he put out a bill o'reilly style political thriller last year where he spends an inordinate amount of time lovingly describing the physical details of large men

in a sexual way or could it just be wish fulfillment

"our hero, who is 6'5 and easily towers over a crowd..."

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

boner confessor posted:

in a sexual way or could it just be wish fulfillment

"our hero, who is 6'5 and easily towers over a crowd..."

the phrase bear of a man is repeatedly used

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
that still doesn't clear anything up regarding shapiro's likely latent homosexual tendencies vs. his small man complex

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret

Pirate Radar posted:

You gotta lean waaaaaay back, like you’re scared it’s going to go off.
Lol

The Muppets On PCP posted:

the phrase bear of a man is repeatedly used
Shapiro writes: He stood a towering 5' 5" and tipped the scales at 140 pounds; an absolute bear of a man

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
A bear of a man that almost got killed when he insulted a woman that one time.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Manuel Calavera posted:

Less so than his fellow Neocon scum, I meant. I'm not familiar with everything he's done, outside of him being just another one of the terrible media personalities, who "THE LEFTIST MSM" love.

e - This is the tweet she RT'd.

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/935516615877189632

Some choice quotes, in reply to my saying "Naw...he's a shithead like the rest of them."

"I completely disagree. He’s extremely intelligent and hates on trump while still being a conservative voice in my otherwise liberal echo chamber"

"Putting him with any of them is a mistake. I think you don’t like him cuz he thinks being trans is a mental disorder. But he backs his poo poo with evidence and will hold respectful debates with people on the left which is way more then what liberal hosts do." (ironic, because she's trans)

"The problem is that we’re willing to demonize any conservative under false context of “racism” because trump is a racist. Ben was the number one receiver of alt right hate mail and threats in 2016"

I stopped the argument cuz, it wasn't the place for it. But, yeah. She's falling for his persona that I called out from the word go, and got all that back.

I've met more than a few trans people who almost craved denigration like that. They'd invite people to make dick jokes about them, listen to horrible anti trans speakers and so on.

My therapist tells me it's pretty common for people who manifest depression as the feeling that they don't deserve to be loved or respected. They seek out voices to affirm their warped view of themselves as unworthy.

More than likely your friend is really depressed and all these excuses she's giving you for liking him are also excuses she tells to herself all the time.

sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

PhazonLink posted:

A bear of a man that almost got killed when he insulted a woman that one time.

According to bible science, defeating a mama bear requires at least 21 Shapiros.

PJOmega
May 5, 2009
The comment section on Matt Walsh's Facebook page has gone full crazy. He posted about a lack of exorcists and his followers have gone shooting off the reservation with their demonic possession theories.

I'm in my phone and posting imgur links hasn't been working lately for me or I'd be serving up some snippets. It's... Well it's something.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

VH4Ever posted:

Funny how often that "I'm a libertarian!" canard will be thrown out there to mask how much RWM Kool-Aid they've consumed, and it literally takes the most basic questioning to instantly strip that patina away and see them collapse into Sean Hannity parrots. Just pathetic, really. Yeah, gently caress that guy.

It was exactly like that. thing that made it worse was how much projection he did onto me. Like, I said I was a socialist when it came to the commons (education, criminal justice, infrastructure, health care) and said I was a capitalist regarding consumer crap. He asked me to name anywhere that "socialism" has ever worked but with a very blanketed framing mechanism. Off the top of my head, I said Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and FInland.

Odd, but the dude seemed to be arguing in bad faith somehow.

He actually started the who thing asking me about NFL players and the stupid anthem crap. "there's a time and a place" he said. I'm like, "when is the time and the place?" You're telling everyone to work constantly and then telling them to be political on their own time while saying we live in a free society. I mentioned Ali, Tommy Smith and John Carlos. He was getting noticeably angrier with me.

I wasn't until he dropped that "i feel sorry for you" bomb. Smug, arrogant mother fucker.

"Just go start a business" - sound economic advice from a moron.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
When "The free market" is the god of the cult they worship 'just start a business' is the best advice they can ever think of because you have to join in their delusional worshipping. None of what that kind of person says is based in reality. It's cult following and preaching their gospel, so he probably was sincere in feeling bad for you just exactly the same way as Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on your door.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
dont something like 90% of small businesses fail within three years

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

boner confessor posted:

dont something like 90% of small businesses fail within three years

That's for restaurants I'm pretty sure. Small business statistics are slightly better than that.

Now, the percentage of small businesses that make enough profit to pay their owner and sole operator a living wage? That's a darker statistic.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

boner confessor posted:

dont something like 90% of small businesses fail within three years

"then start another one" - a thing this dude said.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

BiggerBoat posted:

He asked me to name anywhere that "socialism" has ever worked but with a very blanketed framing mechanism. Off the top of my head, I said Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and FInland.

Curious, what was his answer to this?

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

BiggerBoat posted:

"then start another one" - a thing this dude said.

you should ask this guy if he drinks raw milk and his opinion on the federal reserve

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012

PJOmega posted:

That's for restaurants I'm pretty sure. Small business statistics are slightly better than that.

Now, the percentage of small businesses that make enough profit to pay their owner and sole operator a living wage? That's a darker statistic.
Restaurants are around 60% in the first 3 years.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

BiggerBoat posted:

It was exactly like that. thing that made it worse was how much projection he did onto me. Like, I said I was a socialist when it came to the commons (education, criminal justice, infrastructure, health care) and said I was a capitalist regarding consumer crap. He asked me to name anywhere that "socialism" has ever worked but with a very blanketed framing mechanism. Off the top of my head, I said Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and FInland.

Odd, but the dude seemed to be arguing in bad faith somehow.

He actually started the who thing asking me about NFL players and the stupid anthem crap. "there's a time and a place" he said. I'm like, "when is the time and the place?" You're telling everyone to work constantly and then telling them to be political on their own time while saying we live in a free society. I mentioned Ali, Tommy Smith and John Carlos. He was getting noticeably angrier with me.

I wasn't until he dropped that "i feel sorry for you" bomb. Smug, arrogant mother fucker.

"Just go start a business" - sound economic advice from a moron.

Yeah a former podcasting partner of mine, someone I've known since high school, is one of these. He waves his master's degree in people's faces to make it seem like he has evidence for any of his claims, but can only cite theory when called upon to prove that any of his anarcho-capitalist bullshit has ever existed anywhere. And he'll clown on Hannity types one minute, then start spouting identical talking points in political debates. I've yet to meet an actual, full blooded libertarian that wasn't either 1) a conspiracy theory nutter/insane survivalist type or 2) a self-denying Republican who collapses into a heap of Hannity-type talking points when pressed, like the guy you met. Pretty sad really. And they get so drat angry when you question them, don't they? Almost as if they're afraid that if they're even a hair off of full throated, loud defense of their beliefs they might actually analyze them critically and realize they're full of poo poo.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

BiggerBoat posted:

He actually started the who thing asking me about NFL players and the stupid anthem crap. "there's a time and a place" he said. I'm like, "when is the time and the place?" You're telling everyone to work constantly and then telling them to be political on their own time while saying we live in a free society. I mentioned Ali, Tommy Smith and John Carlos. He was getting noticeably angrier with me.

I've only ever known Shannon Sharpe as a football player. A couple of months ago, I saw this: https://mobile.twitter.com/SportyByNature/status/912337429683679233/video/1 It blew me away. It's so deep, and so thoughtful, and so honest. I had no idea he was that kind of man. I always just figured he and Skip were another wacky sports talk duo, and I never bothered to listen.

I seriously got minor chills when he started in on, "... of seven NFL owners. Skip, allow me a second to name those guys ..." Holy poo poo. No one does that, at least not people who still rely on that industry for their living. Then, when he's talking about Ray Lewis... goddamn. "Not on one knee, on both knees."

I know everyone is tired of that issue, but that monologue is phenomenal. Dude is in it with both feet, and he is naming names, and pointing right at the bullshit.

Avirosb
Nov 21, 2016

Everyone makes pisstakes

Mr Interweb posted:

Curious, what was his answer to this?

"B-but but Venezuela"

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Mr Interweb posted:

Curious, what was his answer to this?

"Oh sure some little Scandanavain country..."

Avirosb posted:

"B-but but Venezuela"

Also this. Oddly, no mention of China.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Nov 30, 2017

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




BiggerBoat posted:

. He asked me to name anywhere that "socialism" has ever worked but with a very blanketed framing mechanism. Off the top of my head, I said Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and FInland.

Odd, but the dude seemed to be arguing in bad faith somehow.

If I could remember it off the top of my head, I would've gone with something like this.

Zipperelli.
Apr 3, 2011



Nap Ghost
I don't know what thread we were talking about him in, but Geraldo may be next to go:

Here's Bette Midler in 1991 Talking About Geraldo Rivera Drugging and Groping Her Without Consent

Jezebel posted:

As the world grapples with the recent revelations of Matt Lauer’s alleged inappropriate sexual behavior towards his colleagues and the button under his desk that turned his workspace from an office to a playground for sexual misconduct, many have taken to Twitter to share their thoughts.

...

Seems like Geraldo cares a lot about this issue. Why ever could that be?

In 1991, Geraldo Rivera published a memoir called Exposing Myself, which, per the Washington Post’s review of the book, promised to reveal what “his public was dying to know about his alleged conquests of Bette Midler” and other luminaries. In the above clip—recently tweeted by reporter Kinsey Schofield— of Bette Midler talking about Rivera, though, her side of the story is different.

Per the Washington Post, here’s what Rivera had to say about his encounter with Midler: “We were in the bathroom, preparing for the interview, and at some point I put my hands on her breasts.” Consent, implied or otherwise, is murky in Rivera’s description, but what Midler tells a pink-suited Barbara Walters is much more distressing:

“One thing I do remember—and that was how I met Geraldo—and that was not funny,” Midler says. “Should I tell you?” When Walters responds with a steady “Why not?” Midler demurs, saying that she doesn’t want to “get in trouble,” but at Walter’s encouragement, she relays the following tale.

quote:

Geraldo and his producer came to do an interview with me, in the ‘70s, in the early ‘70s. This was when he was very hot. He and his producer left the crew in the other room, they pushed me into my bathroom, they pushed two poppers under my nose, and proceeded to grope me...I did not offer myself up on the altar of Geraldo Rivera. He was unseemly.

Midler laughs it off, eventually saying that had she known Rivera was going to be a “slimy talk show host,” twenty years later, she “never would have let him in the room.”

I can only hope that hack gets everything coming to him, and that Fox takes another hit, even if it's just from an opinionated mouthpiece. gently caress you Geraldo.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
Every single male host of FN could be fired for harrassment and the viewers would never leave.

Trump's election and the coming Moore win give them the permission structure needed to handwave every single fault on their side.

They'll just bring up Clinton and Franken every time it's brought up. The days of right wing shame are long gone, noone will ever resign again.

Paracaidas
Sep 24, 2016
Consistently Tedious!

Sir Tonk posted:

The days of right wing shame are long gone, noone will ever resign again.

Subtitle to the David Vitter bio I'm writing.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
I gooned it up on the Joe Walsh radio program
http://walshfreedom.com/radio/ (Nov 29)
At one hour forty I call him a snowflake for getting mad at Obama for saying "season's greetings" instead of Trump's "Merry Christmas" on the Christmas card.
I know it's dumb and smug to get owned on national radio (because even if you are "winning" they'll eventually cut you off and speak to the audience alone) but it's also an incredibly exhilarating experience.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

HootTheOwl posted:

I gooned it up on the Joe Walsh radio program
http://walshfreedom.com/radio/ (Nov 29)
At one hour forty I call him a snowflake for getting mad at Obama for saying "season's greetings" instead of Trump's "Merry Christmas" on the Christmas card.
I know it's dumb and smug to get owned on national radio (because even if you are "winning" they'll eventually cut you off and speak to the audience alone) but it's also an incredibly exhilarating experience.

Can you time stamp your call?

I've tried a few times to get through to Hannity's show and ambush him with a waterboarding question but never made it.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

BiggerBoat posted:

Can you time stamp your call?

I've tried a few times to get through to Hannity's show and ambush him with a waterboarding question but never made it.

1:41:47

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

BiggerBoat posted:

Can you time stamp your call?

I've tried a few times to get through to Hannity's show and ambush him with a waterboarding question but never made it.

I can't in the link, you'll have to manually scroll over to 1:40:00 ish.

Goonspeed on Hannity. I call him out on twitter a few times, and usually get about five or so likes.

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Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Zipperelli. posted:

I don't know what thread we were talking about him in, but Geraldo may be next to go:

Here's Bette Midler in 1991 Talking About Geraldo Rivera Drugging and Groping Her Without Consent

It was in yesterdays Trump Thread where Geraldo was quoted making a highly suspicious defence of 'It was different in the Past' which led everyone to assume 'Welp. The Geraldo complaints are about to come out' and oh look 24 hours later here we are.

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