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a7m2 posted:It's a shame the novels are so loving awful. I really like reading the codices and wikis though. Try some of the HH novels, seriously. Some are utter poo poo, but a good number are pretty solid. E: Also, there is a survey up on the Community site. I expect everyone ITT to join me in lamenting the loss of the Fantasy universe and telling GW to bring it back. TIA https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/30/say-big-community-survey-nov-30gw-homepage-post-1/ Top of Page Picture Edit: My WiP Sons of Horus 
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Cooked Auto posted:I like how the Warhammer Community survey lists Finland, Norway, Denmark but forgets Sweden and you have to use the Other option. Thanks a lot you jerks. 
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Nov 30, 2017 17:45
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a7m2 posted:It's a shame the novels are so loving awful. I really like reading the codices and wikis though. sooo much of it is absolute schlocky sci-fantasy trash pulp, but a few of the black library writers manage to rise above that, some of the time. most things dan abnett's written for games workshop are at least decent, even the 'Sharpe's but Imperial Guard' Gaunt's Ghost series has its moments. His Inquistor novels, the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies, are pretty good too. Aaron Dembski-Bowden is probably the best of the younger pool of black library writers, at least imo. His stuff is at least imaginative, particularly his portrayals of the Word Bearers and World Eaters in the Heresy novels. gav thorpe's prose is just inexcusably bad and unimaginative though
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Nov 30, 2017 17:48
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Just be warned about the HH series because it runs the gamut from the best of BL (for example, The First Heretic) all the way to the worst (Nemesis)
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Nov 30, 2017 17:52
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Just be warned about the HH series because it runs the gamut from the best of BL (for example, The First Heretic) all the way to the worst (Nemesis) I've heard Nemesis was so bad, I just skipped it entirely.
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Nov 30, 2017 17:54
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Broken Record Talk posted:I've heard Nemesis was so bad, I just skipped it entirely. It was better than Battle For The Abyss.
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Nov 30, 2017 17:55
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zeal posted:sooo much of it is absolute schlocky sci-fantasy trash pulp, but a few of the black library writers manage to rise above that, some of the time. most things dan abnett's written for games workshop are at least decent, even the 'Sharpe's but Imperial Guard' Gaunt's Ghost series has its moments. His Inquistor novels, the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies, are pretty good too. Aaron Dembski-Bowden is probably the best of the younger pool of black library writers, at least imo. His stuff is at least imaginative, particularly his portrayals of the Word Bearers and World Eaters in the Heresy novels. I tried Eisenhorn but didn't like it. There's just so much better written sci-fi out there. I love the fluff in the codices and wikis because it's written to the point and it's all about the content. The books I tried to read, like Eisenhorn, were just not well written in my opinion. Fair play if you like them though, it's just not for me.
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Nov 30, 2017 17:56
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Cythereal posted:It was better than Battle For The Abyss. I managed to get through that one, although I think part of that was just willing myself to do it, in the hope that it would help me overcome my utter hatred for Ultramarines. Didn't work.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:03
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zeal posted:sooo much of it is absolute schlocky sci-fantasy trash pulp, but a few of the black library writers manage to rise above that, some of the time. most things dan abnett's written for games workshop are at least decent, even the 'Sharpe's but Imperial Guard' Gaunt's Ghost series has its moments. His Inquistor novels, the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies, are pretty good too. Aaron Dembski-Bowden is probably the best of the younger pool of black library writers, at least imo. His stuff is at least imaginative, particularly his portrayals of the Word Bearers and World Eaters in the Heresy novels. Seconding the love for ADB. I really liked Talon of Horus and Black Legion
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Nov 30, 2017 18:04
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Broken Record Talk posted:I managed to get through that one, although I think part of that was just willing myself to do it, in the hope that it would help me overcome my utter hatred for Ultramarines.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:11
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My absolute favorite is The Inquisition War series from way back in the wacky Squat era of Warhammer. Watson clearly loved Michael Moorcock and the other, weirder inspirations for 40K.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:13
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Nemesis isn't even a bad book, it just doesn't have anything to do with the Heresy. Battle for the Abyss wasn't good, but also not as terrible as everyone says it is. I was expecting something on the level of CS Goto, but it's just very generic bolter porn with very generic characters. It also barely has anything to do with the Heresy, setting up a problem and solving it, with none of the characters or events impacting anything anywhere else.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:14
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Safety Factor posted:It's Know No Fear that's supposed to have that effect. I actually just started that one. Already getting reaaaaaally tired of "theoretical. practical."
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Nov 30, 2017 18:14
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Survey taken. Suggested they take away Forge World's resin and rules duties, and that biglies need options to make them interesting on the tabletop.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:19
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Broken Record Talk posted:I actually just started that one. Already getting reaaaaaally tired of "theoretical. practical." "...[W]et leopard growl..."
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Nov 30, 2017 18:19
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Liquid Communism posted:Survey taken. Suggested they take away Forge World's resin and rules duties, and that biglies need options to make them interesting on the tabletop. That's pretty much what I told them about primaris too. I want my HQs to be mine, not generic. I've got a lot of guys with power axes in my army, why can't I put them on the primaris HQ guys as well?
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Nov 30, 2017 18:21
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I'm builying 1500 worth of bigly Space Wolves right now, and while I don't mind hand building rune, iron, and wolf priests, I desperately want more line infantry gear options and some actual heavy weapons.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:27
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Cooked Auto posted:I like how the Warhammer Community survey lists Finland, Norway, Denmark but forgets Sweden and you have to use the Other option. Thanks a lot you jerks. tbh basically everyone wishes they could forget about Sweden
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Liquid Communism posted:Suggested they take away Forge World's resin and rules duties The heck does that leave? Pigment and paint making?
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Nov 30, 2017 18:44
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Zark the Damned posted:I remember there being an old bit of fluff where a Chaos Lord of Khorne (may have actually been a World Eater? It's been a while...) salutes a young Ulrik the Slayer as a gesture of respect for beating up a bunch of Berserkers unarmed. There's a short story from the 6th Ed Vampire Counts army book of a young Brettonian questing knight getting his rear end kicked by a blood dragon vampire. The vampire lets him live, puts him back on his horse, and sends him on his way. I miss that sort of poo poo too.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:47
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Broken Record Talk posted:I managed to get through that one, although I think part of that was just willing myself to do it, in the hope that it would help me overcome my utter hatred for Ultramarines. The random acts of Xenos contrition didn't do it for you?
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Nov 30, 2017 18:52
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Picked up chapter approved today and the new eternal war missions seem like fun. There's a 4 objective one where objective worth is dependent on where its placed with the marker in your enemies deployment being worth 4 and your own being 1.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Nemesis isn't even a bad book, it just doesn't have anything to do with the Heresy. Battle for the Abyss wasn't good, but also not as terrible as everyone says it is. I was expecting something on the level of CS Goto, but it's just very generic bolter porn with very generic characters. It also barely has anything to do with the Heresy, setting up a problem and solving it, with none of the characters or events impacting anything anywhere else. Yeah Nemesis is just really odd, it's like chunks of 3 different novels stapled together. Has a few fun bits in it. As a sidenote I wish they'd give fewer of the big HH stories to Mcneill, he definitely does some good dark and crazy future stuff, but sometimes I find his style gets a bit clunky and isn't that fun to read. Spells things out a bit too much I think. Also the mechanicum side-characters in Know No Fear were more interesting and memorable than any character in Mechanicum. eSportseXpert fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 19:00
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Liquid Communism posted:Survey taken. Suggested they take away Forge World's resin and rules duties 
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FiestaNinja posted:As a sidenote I wish they'd give fewer of the big HH stories to Mcneill, he definitely does some good dark and crazy future stuff, but sometimes I find his style gets a bit clunky and isn't that fun to read. Spells things out a bit too much I think. Also the mechanicum side-characters in Know No Fear were more interesting and memorable than any character in Mechanicum. McNeil can write a great astartes fight scene, the encounters between his mary sue renegade chapter and the Howling Griffons in the Soul Drinkers series were the highlights of otherwise forgettable novels, but the dude should not be called upon to write anything longer than anthology vignettes and novellas and agreed on the Know No Fear mechanicum characters, the two life-partner tech priests and the skitarii alpha have some of the best scenes and dialogue in the book
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Artum posted:Picked up chapter approved today and the new eternal war missions seem like fun. There's a 4 objective one where objective worth is dependent on where its placed with the marker in your enemies deployment being worth 4 and your own being 1. That's really cool
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I'm really pumped for the missions and campaign stuff in CA.
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zeal posted:sooo much of it is absolute schlocky sci-fantasy trash pulp, but a few of the black library writers manage to rise above that, some of the time. most things dan abnett's written for games workshop are at least decent, even the 'Sharpe's but Imperial Guard' Gaunt's Ghost series has its moments. His Inquistor novels, the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies, are pretty good too. Aaron Dembski-Bowden is probably the best of the younger pool of black library writers, at least imo. His stuff is at least imaginative, particularly his portrayals of the Word Bearers and World Eaters in the Heresy novels. Agreed. Have been going through the whole series, and getting to one of Thorpe's novels was like hitting a brick wall. From his fascination of one dimensional male drama-queen scheeming to fanfiction level descriptions of "cool stuff", it's just terrible. It's even worse after I started listening to the BadCast. Now I hear all his dialogue as SRM making funny fanfiction voices in my head. That doesn't happen with any other BL authors.
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a7m2 posted:How realistic is it to magnetize a Trygon/Mawloc if I'm an almost complete beginner? I've only ever magnetized the arms on Terminators and one of the arms on a Helbrute. I managed those but I hear Trygon is much harder. I'm afraid of loving it up and damaging it. Here is what differs between Trygon, Trygon Prime and Mawloc: Mandibles, Top of head, arms, tail. Magnetizing the tail = super easy Magnetizing the arms = pretty easy Magnetizing the mandibles and head and jaw and keeping them from loving with each other's magnetic fields while you glue them = very frustrating I would honestly just pick one and then use "counts as" if you want to change. I can't imagine anybody getting too upset about "Hey my Trygon is a Trygon Prime okay?" Unless you have like 3 Trygons and only one of them is "counts-as", in which case just make sure its painted different enough to differentiate between them. a7m2 posted:Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for. What about magnetizing Trygon/Trygon Prime? Same situation? Build it as a Trygon Prime or Trygon and then switch as you wish. Mawlocs are cool as poo poo but not as good.
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Uroboros posted:Orks don't fall to Chaos, which is pretty much the intention when the Old Ones engineered them. Orks do actually fall to chaos sometimes, but then they almost immediately get krump'd by other orks in the name of Gork and Mork
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Are Gork and Mork actual gods, like the Chaos Gods?
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Yes, and they'll krump whoever says otherwise
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Zaphod42 posted:Orks do actually fall to chaos sometimes, but then they almost immediately get krump'd by other orks in the name of Gork and Mork Ork kulture is self enforcing in a way the Inquisition can only dream/have nightmares about.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Are Gork and Mork actual gods, like the Chaos Gods? Very much so, they're also the ultimate expression of the ork gestalt field. There was a bit of lore way back of the chaos gods fighting gork and mork where khorne smacks one of them square in the face with his axe, but he just laughs and punches khorne in the face leaving khorne thinking "the gently caress is this bullshit?" The orks think their gods can krump anyone, so they can. Artum fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 20:09
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HardCoil posted:It's even worse after I started listening to the BadCast. PS we recorded yesterday but Dan's microphone hosed up so we'll have to rerecord this weekend. November has been a cursed month for podcasts, it seems.
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Artum posted:Very much so, they're also the ultimate expression of the ork gestalt field.
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SRM posted:Finally, a listener testimony worth plastering on our front page This is good because I totally forgot to send in my Badcast campaign contribution until right now.
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Uroboros posted:These kind of stories always come off as silly. Khorne and the other various Gods of the Warp are much to powerful to physically manifest in reality, and essentially only act in the material world through proxy and the power they bestow upon their lessers. When would these entities ever be in possession of bodies in an environment where they would have faces, and a blow to such an area would even matter since vital areas are limitations only really experienced by living beings who's bodies have to obey the laws of physics? Constantly? khornes entire schtick revolves around him having a throne which rather requires form, and then theres the whole thing of bloodthirsters/great unclear ones being made in the image of their respective gods. The gods all have physical form but that can't exist outside the warp, which is why you get stuff like khaine exploding after getting forced out by slaanesh.
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Uroboros posted:MUH COSMOLOGY 
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Artum posted:Constantly? khornes entire schtick revolves around him having a throne which rather requires form, and then theres the whole thing of bloodthirsters/great unclear ones being made in the image of their respective gods. The gods all have physical form but that can't exist outside the warp, which is why you get stuff like khaine exploding after getting forced out by slaanesh. Warp entities like demons are almost always explained as not having true forms since they are composed of basically pure madness, and merely take on a form that most accurately represents their nature, purpose, or the thoughts of what mortals imagine them to be when they enter real space. Even then more powerful demons often look different to the viewer because it isn't possible to truly comprehend "that which should not be". Basically, it sounds like a dumb story that Orks would make up. The only reason Slaneesh even came into battle with the Eldar Gods is because it is one, effectively being birthed by them, but the notion of Gork/Mork running into Khorne any of the other Gods in the Warp, as if that concept has any meaning, and doing battle makes no sense based off what we know of the setting and how the entities within it are given life. Whenever lovely GW authors depict the warp as basically space heaven/hell where the Gods are treated like the Pantheon of ancient Greece it comes off as incredibly uninspired and boring. Like a five year old describing how one imaginary giant monster beats up another. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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