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Magius1337est posted:realistically I don't see any new companies or incubators popping up to take up all this extra office space unless they're massively funded and with companies downsizing/outsourcing/moving things to the cloud the need for additional office space is minimal at best realistically you spend all day sitting in your bedroom watching your minwage drones silently hating you via webcam and imagining you're some kind of capitalist prison warden gonna say you don't really understand the basics of white collar office needs, guy
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Neon Noodle posted:Makes me wonder whether WeWork is in fact some kind of weird commercial real estate arbitrage business instead of Eh, really? I mean when I've had the occasion to glance in on a location or two, there do seem to be the same sort of crowd that would otherwise be in a Starbucks for 8 hours straight typing away at something or other.
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boner confessor posted:realistically you spend all day sitting in your bedroom watching your minwage drones silently hating you via webcam and imagining you're some kind of capitalist prison warden Lmao
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Polygynous posted:reminds me I never read more than the first page of that thread about a moron remodeling his bathroom Lol the one where he sheared off 4" from his engineered beams?
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Magius1337est posted:unless your office needs to be locationally relevant it's easily one of the things a corporation can cut to save a lot of money, I see tons of entire floors in nice buildings in our office parks that have been empty for years now At $262M and 466ksqft, that's one hell of a "stripmall office." There are going to be lots of interesting developments in corporate real estate in the next few decades. But the idea of a shared space dedicated to work isn't going away.
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Devor posted:If you are a purchasing manager and sign a contract where Total Cost of N units is greater than Total Cost of N+1 units, you have done something wrong. price breaks like this are really common, especially when you're not dealing with custom quotes or anything. like look at this random part from an electronics supplier: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/panasonic-electronic-components/ERJ-2GEJ330X/P33JCT-ND/146979 check out the unit price from 1 to 5000. and this is small fry stuff--once you start ordering 100k+ quantities from a major distributor, the unit price drops way lower.
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More Sears news: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/30/sears-earnings/908265001/ Sears "cut its losses" to only 500 million in the third quarter, which is a sign of "improvement" Another source describes this in less charitable terms: https://www.thestreet.com/story/14406204/1/sears-third-quarter-earnings-were-a-disaster.html
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Same store sales down 15%? Yeah, they are hosed. If same store sales drop 2 or 3 percent at a normal chain you see the stock tank and a massive executive reshuffle.
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i find it hilarious that i live in a world where losing 500 million dollars is better then expected, but im not sure how to feel considering it probably is actually better then expected
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Slanderer posted:price breaks like this are really common, especially when you're not dealing with custom quotes or anything. like look at this random part from an electronics supplier: Once you get above 1k, they're just shipping you entire reels of the stuff from the supplier instead of cutting and respooling it.
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Interesting article on retail pay. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/business/economy/retail-work.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0 Interesting article on why retail work is horrible in the US, yet it doesn't have to be. Countries that actually pay better wages and offer more humane working conditions see vastly higher sales per square foot of retail space. "And what is critical is that European retailers can afford this: the researchers found that large food stores in France sell about twice as much per hour as American stores. Value added per employee is about 12 percent higher. And French stores sell about three times as much per square foot, not least because of tight zoning regulations that limit their size." Higher minimum wages and better labour laws wouldn't kill US retail, it would just force them to utilize their space better and be more productive like their european counterparts. It would though lead to fewer jobs and fewer locations, but this is a long time coming in the US retail market, it's insanely over-served. It's interesting too that the US's pro-sprawl policies that have also had a huge hand in shaping the physical environment of retail to be as large and sprawling as possible is also a tool of suppressing wages.
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This is something I see come up sometimes when people discuss manufacturing jobs. A lot of people (including reporters, unfortunately) make it seem like the loss of manufacturing jobs is bad because they are manufacturing jobs rather than because manufacturing had high unionization rates and therefore better pay and benefits. Retail jobs are only “bad jobs” because we allow them to be, they are not inherently worse than working in a steel mill or something.
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i agree with you but society still has that dumb idea of "making something" as if the act of workmanlike creation is itself somehow more inherently noble
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Badger of Basra posted:Retail jobs are only “bad jobs” because we allow them to be, because they are disproportionately filled by women and people of color
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boner confessor posted:i agree with you but society still has that dumb idea of "making something" as if the act of workmanlike creation is itself somehow more inherently noble Personally I think crafting something and honing that skill over a lifetime is more noble than ringing somebody up, or at least more compelling.
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Mozi posted:Personally I think crafting something and honing that skill over a lifetime is more noble than ringing somebody up, or at least more compelling. ringing somebody up well is crafting a positive experience
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Manufacturing is "a real job". All service industry jobs are looked down upon, typically as something you're supposed to do "until you go to school", or something, discounting the fact that there are a massive amount of adults filling these positions. The horrendous amount of turn-over, lack of experienced employees, etc, complicates things on a daily basis. We go over on hours because of low quality labor and a lack of motivation, and corporate responds by cutting our hours. When you see the store's financial documents and realize how much more they could afford to pay you, but know you're only getting a .25 cent raise for two years of loyalty, you don't really have much of a reason to give a gently caress. Mozi posted:Personally I think crafting something and honing that skill over a lifetime is more noble than ringing somebody up, or at least more compelling. The gently caress is this garbage? I've worked a manufacturing job, as a drill press operator. I put pipe in a Miter box. I drilled where I was supposed to. I removed the pipe, inserted a fresh one. Behold the work of the noble artisan laid bare
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boner confessor posted:i agree with you but society still has that dumb idea of "making something" as if the act of workmanlike creation is itself somehow more inherently noble Maybe they should pay a ubi so i could afford free time and supplies to whittle or paint or w/e
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Cashiers are a smaller part of retail than you think. There is so much administrative, logistics, management, inventory, and sales that go into the industry that is really underappreciated. 15% of the US Army are infantry, FYI, it takes a lot of support to put bodies on the front line. Gumbel2Gumbel fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Quote is not edit Also this is my first week out of retail and I am loving this boring rear end office job
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:The gently caress is this garbage? /e - I sigh as I draw my hand forged katana
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:it's weeaboo masturbation Ye noble man has made ye thinge.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:The gently caress is this garbage? I've worked a manufacturing job, as a drill press operator.  If you run your own little shop that does odd jobs, prototypes and small production runs then yeah you might be creative and honing your craft to some extent (also your products are loving expensive unless you're paying yourself minimum wage). If you got replaced by robots doing the same stereotypical operation more quickly and efficiently on an assembly line then you were not really doing a creative job.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I have made money from making things, creative things. Not a lot, but a few hundred dollars. I might make more if I actually applied myself and got some help for the issues that are holding me back, but whatever. At least I've proven to myself that I can do it. I do not think for a second that this makes me any better than someone sweeping floors and scraping out shitcans to put food on the table and a roof over their head. I might enjoy the creative thing that I do, but I'm driven by the same thing as any other slob with a job- money. If I ever succeed and turn into an entitled rear end in a top hat because I made a thing, please make me a corpse.
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Mozi posted:Personally I think crafting something and honing that skill over a lifetime is more noble than ringing somebody up, or at least more compelling. That's nice, but that's not what 99% of factory workers in industrialized history ever did. More of a thing that would turn up in the early craft-labor factories where you'd gather up like a few dozen potters and all have them work in the same space while you as the capitalist took orders and handled supplies.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:a .25 cent raise haha whoa slow down there buddy
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Can I interest you in one of my artisan Excel workbooks?
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Mozi posted:Personally I think crafting something and honing that skill over a lifetime is more noble than ringing somebody up, or at least more compelling. I go by the notion that anyone who is able that gets up in the morning and tries to make themselves at least marginally useful...I don't care if you're sweeping floors, calling for price checks, sttempting to cure cancer or making a great work of art...is noble. That's all we can really ask from people. But I get the impulse behind what you said. Thing is...all these former 'noble' manufacturing jobs were displaced by rolling cylinders, hydraulic actuators and articulated arms...and not even fancy ones at that in most cases.
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People freak out about the loss of manufacturing jobs because of balance of trade. You can't export retail work, childcare, or taxi-driving. The people who worry about maintaining US global primacy often complain about being a net importer - there seems to be a sense that it can't go on forever without some rival weaponizing the trade deficit.
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Badger of Basra posted:This is something I see come up sometimes when people discuss manufacturing jobs. A lot of people (including reporters, unfortunately) make it seem like the loss of manufacturing jobs is bad because they are manufacturing jobs rather than because manufacturing had high unionization rates and therefore better pay and benefits. In some sense it's true, though, because those manufacturing jobs going away also has knock-on losses in all the industries to supply and transport their goods and materials.
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You can't get people to work those boring rear end jobs without legalizing all sorts of drugs tho
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Mozi posted:Personally I think crafting something and honing that skill over a lifetime is more noble than ringing somebody up, or at least more compelling. it's still made by a machine, unless you have some wonky rear end idea of what manufacturing jobs really are
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:You can't get people to work those boring rear end jobs without legalizing all sorts of drugs tho yurtcradled posted:People freak out about the loss of manufacturing jobs because of balance of trade.
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The Snoo posted:haha whoa slow down there buddy Our company does yearly raises based on percentage. In theory, you're making more the longer you stay. In practice, it is so small that for most new hires, it only amounts to a quarter or so. You might think, "Well in a few years, that sort of system could start paying dividends," but then your hourly rate caps out because of course it does. I've been told in the past by managers that I have a "mercenary attitude" because I ask about money. Motherfucker, we work at a store; money is the name of the game.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:You can't get people to work those boring rear end jobs without legalizing all sorts of drugs tho You refering to the service sector jobs now?
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yurtcradled posted:People freak out about the loss of manufacturing jobs because of balance of trade. You can't export retail work, childcare, or taxi-driving. The people who worry about maintaining US global primacy often complain about being a net importer - there seems to be a sense that it can't go on forever without some rival weaponizing the trade deficit. i understand that you are arguing devil's advocate here its a bit mercantilist tho, because balance of trade doesn't matter that much. and there's a huge intellectual contribution from the service industry, which is everything from retail drones to fortune 500 ceos. like all the iphones that come to america from china were built on american designs. people often overlook this, america is a huge exporter of ideas as are the other first world nations
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Not even. It's Puritan Work Ethic bullshit. There’s never an excuse to poo poo on service workers but I don’t think we need to whip back so far as to say that one can never take pride in job well done. A few years ago I was part of a group that helped usher the first four 787-9 Dreamliners through the first build, inspection and FAA certification process. Basically the last 8-10 months of a multiple years long process. There were delays, massive amounts of overtime and it was stressful as all gently caress but the day of first flight they brought us all on the taxiway so we could watch up close. It was drizzling a bit, there were several hundred of us there and we spent about a half hour listening to ATC radios and waiting for the weather to clear up a bit. Finally a pair of chase planes take off, circle around and fly in formation as the -9 took off.  Corporate cynicism I totally get but it wasn’t “Puritan Work Ethic bullshit” we were feeling that morning.
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