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trucutru posted:How do you know they have 400 people? They regularly release photos of hundreds of people standing outside their offices.
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His gimmick is "I'm a loyal shill, Goons need to drink the kool-aid" for about a week, per new account, and then he gives up the ghost. Eventually he is banned and replaced with a slightly worse version of his gimmick.
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MilesK posted:They regularly release photos of hundreds of people standing outside their offices. Regularly?
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trucutru posted:How do you know they have 400 people? DO NOT QUESTION THE FUNDING TRACKER. It's the only constant throughout the whole lifecycle. If it's not true, then everything is suspect. Which takes the fun out of the whole thing.
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I feel like this is starting to veer into the realm of speculative fiction
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Regularly? Well, once a year... except maybe this year.
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MilesK posted:Well, once a year... except maybe this year. *Chris furiously arranges parties at each studio to have some staff photos uploaded before the end of the month*
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Dec 2, 2017 02:13
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MilesK posted:Well, once a year... except maybe this year. How do you know those aren't Craigslist volunteers?
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AP posted:Also why does anyone care about calling things, I called the engine change, because well, I did, does anyone give a gently caress? No. Nobody gives a poo poo about people on the internet being right, someone being wrong is far more engaging. I called the engine change first but I won't mention it.
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Golli posted:How do you know those aren't Craigslist volunteers? Alright, Sandi, you've heard of those "Flash Mob" videos right? Ok good, we need about 300 people to come visit our office, I have a great idea...
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Sarsapariller posted:Citizens: "Star Citizen is RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER and everything's great I hear we'll be getting 90% of the game in the next 6 months."
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We know that in the future we will be able to play females, but I'd like to play other sorts of disabled commandos too.
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AP posted:That's twice you've had a pop at me for no reason, the last time you were wrong and I even dug out a post of mine to prove it. Some people on SA called Star Citizen a scam when the kickstarter went live in 2012, before I even knew about the thing, so why exactly would I say something as dumb as "nobody knew that things were hosed with Star Citizen until Derek Smart got involved". hmmm quote:AP posted: quote:AP posted: Just because I'm mocking the guy you have a history of idolizing doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. AP posted:VictorianQueerLit seems to be seeking credit for calling Star Citizen hosed before anyone else, especially Derek. It's important that we take a moment to acknowledge his genius, which I've obviously failed to do from the attention I'm getting. I'm not seeking anymore credit than the other 100 people who have been speculating about this mess. I just happen to think Derek isn't a hero. VictorianQueerLit fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Dec 2, 2017 |
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Golli posted:How do you know those aren't Craigslist volunteers? What's the difference between them and their current workforce?
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MilesK posted:They regularly release photos of hundreds of people standing outside their offices. That was last year, nowadays they don't. Besides, what does a photo prove? That hundreds of people were there.
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I'm exempt from the taxxe because I died during the Lesnick Triple Threat Challenge 
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Zzr posted:We know that in the future we will be able to play females, but I'd like to play other sorts of disabled commandos too. Good news, Star Citizen will feature fully destructible limbs. So you're character can easily lose the ability to walk, and you'll be disabled forever until you work up the courage to kill yourself with the handy suicide button.
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Sarsapariller posted:I feel like this is starting to veer into the realm of speculative fiction I do think it's time to stop making 70-line posts for a bit, yes. I have one more post I'm working on about the way the Citizenry seems to see Derek, but it won't be as long as that one and perhaps I should give it a week or two.
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Loxbourne your posts are good. Please  but don't burn out like gorf did a while back.
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Burn out and all you'll be good for are shitposts and bad one liners.
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Also double posting as though that somehow turns your garbage joke into the height of comedy.
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Dusty Lens posted:Burn out and all you'll be good for are shitposts and bad one liners. When he's on a budget, Chris only does the latter.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:When he's on a budget, Chris only does the latter. Dusty Lens posted:Also double posting as though that somehow turns your garbage joke into the height of comedy.
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Dusty Lens posted:Burn out and all you'll be good for are shitposts and bad one liners. one of us
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Dec 2, 2017 02:54
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Put in perspective $5,300,000 = 88,333 copies of preorders for a $60 dollar game. Or 29,000 FFXIV / WoW subscribers @ $15 for 12 months.
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I still can't stop about the insanity of Discolando in his lovely Star Citizen BizCaz uniform running through the loving labyrinth of all the ships in the ship pipeline and all the "phases"
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Dusty Lens posted:Burn out and all you'll be good for are shitposts and bad one liners. At this point, what else is there to be said?
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Dusty Lens posted:Also double posting as though that somehow turns your garbage joke into the height of comedy. 
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Hav posted:Awesome This is a brilliant piece of insight, and at the same time, really puts Crobbers and co in the spotlight because this is known stuff. It's how Silicon Valley and VCs work. It's how Farmville worked. Let me  post this for you.Farmville (and other games like Mafia Wars) was a creation of Zynga games to run on facebook. It was a Harvest Moon/Stardew Valley kind of game that featured achievements, and a bunch of improvements carefully graded to be very difficult to grind for (the cost/benefit between buying an improvement or grinding to it was obviously stacked). What you "bought" were virtual coins to use as you wished in the game and of course the value of those coins was very carefully measured. So it was technically free to play but it deliberately leveraged the social media platform to encourage the very perceptions Hav is talking about. The game hooked into the API to send you messages about what your friends were doing in the game and what you did back to them. What achievements they got, what new thing they earnt, etc. And then the really smart move: offer bonus coins if you invited a certain number of friends. According to one article: quote:This is the crux of Zynga's business model: get a big number of players to play a game and get a tiny portion of that big number to pay for it. Beginning to sound familiar? What Farmville did was twist the P2W idea so that the most valuable suckers believe it's in their interest. But what Star Citizen is doing is more breathtaking: monetizing the idea of a functioning ecosystem with whales at the top without actually building it. The whales have to believe that in the real game they will be further up the ladder than the general F2P player and they're paying for that privilege. The risk for Crobbers & Co is that the whales realize there will be no huge player base to be kings of, and all the dreams are carefully pitched to suggest there will be. Of course land will be "sold", that assumes a settlement! Of course massive freighters and multi-crewed vehicles are being "sold", there will be crew to man them! So what happened to Farmville and Zynga? This is the other lesson: they started to believe their own bullshit. They didn't fix bugs, they stopped grooming their victims, they tweaked drop rates to maximise profit and not build player investment in the game, they got obssessed with adding daily active users but not so much keeping them. And in the end Facebook played Zynga, by controlling Zynga's use of changing API rules to maximise profit for Facebook, not Zynga. It's interesting to speculate what might have been if Zynga had gone its own way while it was still very profitable, but they decided to stay with Facebook. Zynga is still going as a mobile games company today, a very different market. The sad thing is how this is going to burn the space game genre and embitter idiots for decades.
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I will never understand the conspiracy that they are faking the staff numbers. We've probably seen a good couple hundred of them on ATV, and even the most ardent backers would feel perturbed taking a tour of an empty office.
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The fun thing about Star Citizen and the many conspiracy theories, fan theories, guesses, and called shots, it can all be dreams in your head!
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Tokamak posted:I will never understand the conspiracy that they are faking the staff numbers. We've probably seen a good couple hundred of them on ATV, and even the most ardent backers would feel perturbed taking a tour of an empty office. 'Misrepresenting' is probably a better term than 'faking'. If you have 400 people working on a game, but 300 of them are contractors - who may be sitting in the same area as actual employees - then it is misleading to say you have 400 employees. There is a difference in benefits cost (unemployment insurance, etc) to the company and there may be salary savings associated with using contractors over full-time staff, depending on the particulars of the contract. If you have 400 employees, the implication is that you have made a long-term commitment to 400 families, subliminally increasing the pressure to help them stay employed. Contractors come and go - it's the nature of their business - so having a bunch of them sounds like you have less of a commitment long-term to the product's stability.
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ewe2 posted:This is a brilliant piece of insight, and at the same time, really puts Crobbers and co in the spotlight because this is known stuff. It's how Silicon Valley and VCs work. It's how Farmville worked. Let me This was a great post. Now you said something that was interesting here. I am going to disagree from a position of what I can see on the horizon for space games. Dual Universe really comes to mind. I think that other game companies saw the market flock to Star Citizen and decided that if they can deliver it better and faster, then so be it. Just a few pages back, there was a post about a PG planet and with a pg city. BeetWagon just posted a commando in UE4 and their Warthog video. These are just a couple of people doing Cig's poo poo, better than Cig. Now what I do absolutely agree with you about is that the aspect of the game or genre is going to be just fine. What IS going to take a serious blow to it's cred are going to be gaming kickstarters. Chris got paid before he ever had to do the work.
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New schedule report - still no bug/task count 🤔
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Mirificus posted:April 2015 holy poo poo
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how complete was illfonics star marine when croberts canned it? i know they had to lay people off because of it, gently caress croberts
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