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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

go the gently caress away

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Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

go the gently caress away

Try tackling the words instead of being a glib coward. Please try and tease out the non-existent racism if you can.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Lord_Adonis posted:

Try tackling the words instead of being a glib coward.

Try tackling my fist in your teeth, Nazi scum

:smugdog:

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

https://twitter.com/dril/status/247222360309121024

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

DesperateDan posted:

If you are really at the point of wanting physical violence because people pointed out you are a really lovely poster on the somethingawful forums then yes, please do come to sunny southend, because that would be loving hillarious- come beat me up, and you will still be just as poo poo a poster! Smash my face in, and you still advocated genocide! Make me bite the kerb, and you will still be fruitlessly pouring out the contents of a thesaurus thinking it will cover your shite ideas and thinking!

I did not advocate for genocide. The desire to bully is the only explanation for your vicious assertion that I did.

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Try tackling my fist in your teeth, Nazi scum

:smugdog:

Lets set up a meeting. I'm no Nazi and I want to prove it to you, I am dying to prove it to you. I'm losing my job in two months thanks to Brexit, I have nothing more to lose.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Lord_Adonis posted:

I am owed respectful discourse as a human loving being. I would like to see you say that to someone in person and get away with it. I have repeatedly apologised for the ethno-states thing- I lacked the communications skills to discuss it in a nuanced way- it was a mistake, I don't want ethno-states, so leave it the gently caress alone.

how 'bout you suck yer mommas poo poo off my cockhead

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Pointing out racism online is the most vicious cyberbullying imaginable.

:qq: DECORUM :qq:

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Lord_Adonis posted:

Try tackling the words instead of being a glib coward. Please try and tease out the non-existent racism if you can.

so you advocate for ethnic cleansing, and your rap sheet verifies this, but you're not a racist. Ok champ, you win this time

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Pointing out racism online is the most vicious cyberbullying imaginable.

:qq: DECORUM :qq:

I have said nothing racist.

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Miftan posted:

:wrong: All hybrid chocolate-plant is awful.

This but specifically citrus plants

It's me, I'm the chocolate centrist

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

how 'bout you suck yer mommas poo poo off my cockhead

Your address please.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Lord_Adonis posted:

Lets set up a meeting. I'm no Nazi and I want to prove it to you, I am dying to prove it to you. I'm losing my job in two months thanks to Brexit, I have nothing more to lose.

Alright send me a Doodle poll or something cause I have a lot of meetings in December

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

so you advocate for ethnic cleansing, and your rap sheet verifies this, but you're not a racist. Ok champ, you win this time

I need you to provide a quote of anything I said that was racist.

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Alright send me a Doodle poll or something cause I have a lot of meetings in December

What is a Doodle Poll?

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

I hate when people use things I've said in the past to divine my opinions, why don't they take time out of their day to travel across the country to meet the real me in person? I feel like no-one respects me I should see if threatening to kick their heads in might change that.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Lord_Adonis posted:

I need you to provide a quote of anything I said that was racist.

so you're saying that ethnic cleansing, or the systematic removal of peoples by virtue of their race, which you have supported in this very thread and have been probated in these forums for saying... isn't racist?

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Lord_Adonis posted:

What is a Doodle Poll?

Mate is this your first time setting up a fight? You might be unemployed but I have a busy fight-schedule and I need to make sure I get a 2 week training camp in before the weigh-ins

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Miftan posted:

I'm much happier now but I appreciate the thought.

Definitely not something I could ever do, I'd struggle a lot to manage vegetarian nevermind vegan.

Cultural Marxist
Jun 29, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Lord_Adonis posted:

I did not advocate for genocide. The desire to bully is the only explanation for your vicious assertion that I did.



You don’t advocate for genocide, but you do agree that “In the ultimate sense” a policy of kill whitey “would work”.

Ok then.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You know what definitely proves you aren't a nazi is beating people up because they don't like your ideas about ethnic cleansing.

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

TomViolence posted:

I hate when people use things I've said in the past to divine my opinions, why don't they take time out of their day to travel across the country to meet the real me in person? I feel like no-one respects me I should see if threatening to kick their heads in might change that.

You are misrepresenting what I have said in the past to portray me as someone who finds ethno-states to be desirable for their own sake, and not as a last resort to a specific context. I am not asking people to travel to me- I have suggested a neutral meeting point equidistant between our points of origin, or that I go to them. As for violence, I have been nothing but civil with the people here before today, I have tried words, but you are deaf to them. You believe that you can make allegations without consequence thanks to the anonymity afforded to you by the internet.

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Quick poll: how tall do we think Lord_Adonis is?

My guess is 5'6", max, probably more like 5'4". Classic short man syndrome.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Cultural Marxist posted:



You don’t advocate for genocide, but you do agree that “In the ultimate sense” a policy of kill whitey “would work”.

Ok then.

DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY!

I mean I'll give it to him that he's not racist since he agrees that killing whitey is ultimately the solution.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Lord_Adonis posted:

You are misrepresenting what I have said in the past to portray me as someone who finds ethno-states to be desirable for their own sake, and not as a last resort to a specific context. I am not asking people to travel to me- I have suggested a neutral meeting point equidistant between our points of origin, or that I go to them. As for violence, I have been nothing but civil with the people here before today, I have tried words, but you are deaf to them. You believe that you can make allegations without consequence thanks to the anonymity afforded to you by the internet.


Cultural Marxist posted:



You don’t advocate for genocide, but you do agree that “In the ultimate sense” a policy of kill whitey “would work”.

Ok then.

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Lord_Adonis posted:

You are misrepresenting what I have said in the past to portray me as someone who finds ethno-states to be desirable for their own sake, and not as a last resort to a specific context. I am not asking people to travel to me- I have suggested a neutral meeting point equidistant between our points of origin, or that I go to them. As for violence, I have been nothing but civil with the people here before today, I have tried words, but you are deaf to them. You believe that you can make allegations without consequence thanks to the anonymity afforded to you by the internet.

No-one in their right mind wastes a second of their time fantasising about the "specific context" for loving ethno-states you complete belter.

I can't believe in TYOOL 2017 someone is genuinely trying to set up offline fights because someone was mean to them on the Internet but here we are.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

OwlFancier posted:

Definitely not something I could ever do, I'd struggle a lot to manage vegetarian nevermind vegan.

It's much easier nowadays and Linda McCartney's vegan sausage rolls are fuckin' ace.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I will fight ANYBODY who does not show me respect when I tell them about my ethnonationalist ideas and I resent the implication that I'm some sort of fascist!

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Lord_Adonis posted:

I agree with you that, absent of a few peripheral physical traits like skin colour, there is no fundamental difference between the races of humanity. Races are socially constructed- they are not biological, however this does not mean that the notion of race has no material effect on the world or relations between different groups. In a better world, the notion of separate races would be irrelevant. I do not believe that the tensions between ethnicities arise out of some innate biological dynamic of racial difference- racial tensions are social, cultural and economic, not biological. The White Supremacist social, cultural and economic history of the United States has created a situation of tension between White Americans and African, Hispanic and Native Americans, due to White cultural and economic hegemony. Absent of this historical and material context, I am sure that these ethnic groups could live together without this tension. I sincerely hope that it is possible in the coming decades, to ease and eventually eliminate this tension by various social, political and economic means. Any kind of separation should be the very last resort, after all other means to heal this tension have been employed and proven to have failed.
You are correct to point out that it would be difficult for most White Americans (or White British for that matter) to identify their community leaders. I had assumed that if tensions had escalated to the point of large scale violence, then Whites, and other Americans would naturally gravitate around some kind of community based hierarchy as a form of collective defence, and that the key to preventing a rising escalation of violence would be to identify the more moderate, non-supremacist voices in these hierarchies and ensure that, via negotiation and agreement with other community leaders, the process of separation already begun could proceed without further violence.

Well first up, you suggested this idea in a modern context, not some imaginary race war future. What you're basically describing is a situation where those social and economic problems have been ramped up, where the white supremacists are getting what they want, and saying that maybe the solution to this terrible situation is to finally just do what the Nazis wanted all along - separate the white race, and all the other races, so they can live apart (thus solving all the prejudice and economic inequality that was causing all the problems)

Even IF this fantasy race war was taking place, which it isn't, you're still ultimately accepting that white supremacist argument as a legitimate solution. And because this situation is not happening, at all, why would you even go there instead of talking about the social issues that divide populations and set people against each other, the inequality that compounds it, the prejudice that encourages people to see these problems as arising from ethnic traits and view others as outsiders and foreign rivals?

There are people who like to frame the problem as a racial one solved only by separation, they're bad people with very bad ideas so why would you throw in with that? That's what people are pissed off about - in the current climate you're echoing that rhetoric, and it was never some tortured post-apocalyptic turboracist future scenario - you were talking about America, right now

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Miftan posted:

It's much easier nowadays and Linda McCartney's vegan sausage rolls are fuckin' ace.

Linda McCartney's stuff in general is banging, the pies are great.

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008

Lord_Adonis posted:

I agree with you that, absent of a few peripheral physical traits like skin colour, there is no fundamental difference between the races of humanity. Races are socially constructed- they are not biological, however this does not mean that the notion of race has no material effect on the world or relations between different groups. In a better world, the notion of separate races would be irrelevant. I do not believe that the tensions between ethnicities arise out of some innate biological dynamic of racial difference- racial tensions are social, cultural and economic, not biological. The White Supremacist social, cultural and economic history of the United States has created a situation of tension between White Americans and African, Hispanic and Native Americans, due to White cultural and economic hegemony. Absent of this historical and material context, I am sure that these ethnic groups could live together without this tension. I sincerely hope that it is possible in the coming decades, to ease and eventually eliminate this tension by various social, political and economic means. Any kind of separation should be the very last resort, after all other means to heal this tension have been employed and proven to have failed.
You are correct to point out that it would be difficult for most White Americans (or White British for that matter) to identify their community leaders. I had assumed that if tensions had escalated to the point of large scale violence, then Whites, and other Americans would naturally gravitate around some kind of community based hierarchy as a form of collective defence, and that the key to preventing a rising escalation of violence would be to identify the more moderate, non-supremacist voices in these hierarchies and ensure that, via negotiation and agreement with other community leaders, the process of separation already begun could proceed without further violence.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how hard do you get when typing one of your many posts about ethnic separation and cleansing?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If we weren't on the internet you couldn't call me a fascist because I would beat you up until you couldn't! QED I am not one!

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

Cultural Marxist posted:



You don’t advocate for genocide, but you do agree that “In the ultimate sense” a policy of kill whitey “would work”.

Ok then.

Of course it would work. If White Americans as a group were entirely eliminated, then the main vector of racial oppression in the United States would also cease to exist. However, despite the fact that it could work practically, implementing it would be morally abhorrent and without any basis in empathy. As such, it would only work if morality and empathy ceased to restrain such action, which I hope never comes to pass.

Lord_Adonis
Mar 2, 2015

by Smythe

OwlFancier posted:

If we weren't on the internet you couldn't call me a fascist because I would beat you up until you couldn't! QED I am not one!

I'm not a fascist. Please prove that I desire the overthrow of democracy to enable me to implement the creation of ethno-states for their own sake.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Listen here fucko, if you don't like Jaffa Cakes I'll loving fight you. Tomorrow, 9AM, the coffee shop near my house, yeah, we'll grab a latte and a cinnamon roll and then we'll have a go, a good loving go, and when we're exhausted maybe go back to my flat and watch some porn and have a wee chug, eh?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Lord_Adonis posted:

I'm not a fascist. Please prove that I desire the overthrow of democracy to enable me to implement the creation of ethno-states for their own sake.

I suppose there is a distinction to thinking that coincidentally in the event that democracy were overthrown notsayingit'llhappenbutwhatifehladseh? then it would be a good idea to implement ethnostates but I think that at best makes you a lazy ethnic nationalist.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

OwlFancier posted:

If we weren't on the internet you couldn't call me a fascist because I would beat you up until you couldn't! QED I am not one!

Actual hard men don't try to set up fights on comedy message boards. Corrodes's "short man" theory is plausible

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Miftan posted:

It's much easier nowadays and Linda McCartney's vegan sausage rolls are fuckin' ace.

I would have thought they'd run out of Linda McCartney to put in them by now.

Bad news: I am in London, cesspit of the world.

Good news: I am at an Orbital gig, dead centre and right against the stage barrier.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Lord_Adonis posted:

I have said nothing racist.


The thing is, even though you believe that these ethnic cleansing hypothetical scenarios represent tragic, "last resort" options (ie: "the race wars became so bad that its a better option than them all killing eachother", etc), it is still ultimately based on the (racist) idea that seperate races exist, and can be objectively classified. You yourself claim to acknowledge that race is a social construct and false, and then indicate that you would still use it as the basis for ethnic cleansing/forced relocations in certain scenarios.

You may feel that the ethnic cleansing scenarios you put forward are reasonable - but the fact is they are still based on racist logic. Race struggle is one of, if not the, central tenets of Nazism. The fact that you have put multiple scenarios forward (ie: America, that Jewish Oblast thingy), indicates that you have not learned your lesson.

You believe that you are not a racist. How can you be, racists are bad people, whilst you are a good person, right? You therefore feel hugely wronged by people labelling you as one.

Maybe if you don't want to be called a racist, don't make arguments or suggestions based upon racist logic.

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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Pochoclo posted:

Listen here fucko, if you don't like Jaffa Cakes I'll loving fight you. Tomorrow, 9AM, the coffee shop near my house, yeah, we'll grab a latte and a cinnamon roll and then we'll have a go, a good loving go, and when we're exhausted maybe go back to my flat and watch some porn and have a wee chug, eh?

Don't Markov chain my thread

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