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Lord_Adonis posted:You piece of poo poo. Where have I ever advocated for ethnic cleansing outside of the very specific case of the United States, and only then after all possible attempts at racial reconciliation have failed? get in the sea
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Lord_Adonis posted:I'm losing my job in two months thanks to Brexit, I have nothing more to lose. Sticking my oar in here to say that I've seen your qualifications posted in another thread, and with that skillset there is absolutely no way that you will struggle for work. Register with a couple of technical agencies and you'll be fine. I'm a few certs behind you and get emails every week for electrical and multiskill positions. We now return to your scheduled programming of carpark fight club.
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Lord_Adonis posted:I agree with you that, absent of a few peripheral physical traits like skin colour, there is no fundamental difference between the races of humanity. Races are socially constructed- they are not biological, however this does not mean that the notion of race has no material effect on the world or relations between different groups. In a better world, the notion of separate races would be irrelevant. I do not believe that the tensions between ethnicities arise out of some innate biological dynamic of racial difference- racial tensions are social, cultural and economic, not biological. The White Supremacist social, cultural and economic history of the United States has created a situation of tension between White Americans and African, Hispanic and Native Americans, due to White cultural and economic hegemony. Absent of this historical and material context, I am sure that these ethnic groups could live together without this tension. I sincerely hope that it is possible in the coming decades, to ease and eventually eliminate this tension by various social, political and economic means. Any kind of separation should be the very last resort, after all other means to heal this tension have been employed and proven to have failed. Such a bizarre line of thinking. You start off by admitting races essentially don't exist, and people can't actually be divided up by race. Then you invent a scenario where everyone has self-divided into races and started fighting each other, and want to discuss it. It's entirely contradictory and the fact that you talk about the second part even semi-seriously makes people think you don't actually believe the first part. That's why people think you're racist.
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Gonzo McFee posted:here mate ill fite you at st enochs at 3:30 after school come alone and show up on time my mums pickin me up at 4 If we're organising a UK tour, I want a slice of the tickets.
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Gonzo McFee posted:here mate ill fite you at st enochs at 3:30 after school come alone and show up on time my mums pickin me up at 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7tTzAf98Q
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I will fight Lord_Adonis at 18:34 every weekday night outside the Costa Coffee at the Gunwharf Quays Isle Of Wight Car ferry terminal, and only there. The Gosport and Wight Ryder terminals, and the International Port terminal are simply unacceptable
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baka kaba posted:Well first up, you suggested this idea in a modern context, not some imaginary race war future. What you're basically describing is a situation where those social and economic problems have been ramped up, where the white supremacists are getting what they want, and saying that maybe the solution to this terrible situation is to finally just do what the Nazis wanted all along - separate the white race, and all the other races, so they can live apart (thus solving all the prejudice and economic inequality that was causing all the problems) I apologise if I expressed myself in such a way as to make it appear that I was advocating for this kind of separation in the present day US. I do not. I recognise that whilst tensions exist today, we are not in a situation where the multiracial consensus has entirely collapsed- not even Trump has done this. There are many more initiatives to try before that state of affairs is reached. It would be preferable if the correct initiatives could be implemented to reduce or eliminate racial tension in the United States. I have always believed it prudent to hope for success, but prepare for failure, and any talk of separation I view with this in mind. It is certainly more profitable to discuss methods of reducing or eliminating racial tension arising from inequality in the United States and here at home, which is why I had elected to cease discussion of it until it was recently invoked as a personal indictment. I am no expert when it comes to race-relations and reconciliation, however it is certainly the case that the economic, educational and cultural fortunes of the African, Hispanic and Native American communities must be raised so that they are on par with those of the White American community. There are many ways of achieving this- the enforcement of name-blind recruitment across both public and private sector employment, the establishment of employment quotas in the public sector to ensure that the national demographics of the US are reflected in its civil and public servants, the issuing of all ethnic minority shortlists in elections for legislatures. etc. However, many have argued for these initiatives before me and with greater eloquence and knowledge. As such, I thought it better to discuss the regrettable necessity of planning for a future in which said initiatives failed. On this point, I was probably mistaken.
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Gonzo McFee posted:How dare you dox me and my cow of a sister. Nice try Raj
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I will fight Lord_Adonis at 18:34 every weekday night outside the Costa Coffee at the Gunwharf Quays Isle Of Wight Car ferry terminal, and only there. The Gosport and Wight Ryder terminals, and the International Port terminal are simply unacceptable I will fight anyone, at any place and time.
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jabby posted:Such a bizarre line of thinking. You start off by admitting races essentially don't exist, and people can't actually be divided up by race. Then you invent a scenario where everyone has self-divided into races and started fighting each other, and want to discuss it. It's entirely contradictory Actually it's not. It's valid to argue that all men are equal and yet if people insist on using social constructs for race - or gender, or anything else really - we have two choices. Either we educate everyone out of their bad habit, or if that proves impossible we adapt society to reduce and preferably eliminate the discord caused by our fundamental inability as human beings to say "that person is no better or worse than I am just because he's different". Where Adonis's argument collapses is that it's been proven possible to re-educate people in the great majority of cases. Thus, any attempt to reorganise society is pandering to the minority who cannot or will not change. To put it more simply, the creation of ethnically divided states is racist no matter how pure the intent.
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Josef bugman posted:I will fight anyone, at any place and time. I won't. I need to be mentally prepared and comfortable which is why the time and locations I have stated are acceptable
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I won't. I need to be mentally prepared and comfortable which is why the time and locations I have stated are acceptable Your dentistry must be re-arranged!
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Jedit posted:Actually it's not. It's valid to argue that all men are equal and yet if people insist on using social constructs for race - or gender, or anything else really - we have two choices. Either we educate everyone out of their bad habit, or if that proves impossible we adapt society to reduce and preferably eliminate the discord caused by our fundamental inability as human beings to say "that person is no better or worse than I am just because he's different". Except racial background is basically infinitely variable, so there's no way this race war could ever come to pass on a national or international scale. However many people chose to identify with a certain racial group there would be huge numbers who didn't. So yes, some people could engage in conflict based on their ideas of race. But it doesn't in any way follow that their ideas of race are correct or could be applied to the rest of us.
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jabby posted:Except racial background is basically infinitely variable, so there's no way this race war could ever come to pass on a national or international scale. However many people chose to identify with a certain racial group there would be huge numbers who didn't. So yes, some people could engage in conflict based on their ideas of race. But it doesn't in any way follow that their ideas of race are correct or could be applied to the rest of us. Which is why the ultimate end of Fascism is one man alone in a room beating himself up.
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Jedit posted:Which is why the ultimate end of Fascism is one man alone in a room beating himself up. And so it comes full circle back to Damien Green.
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Lord_Adonis posted:Your address please. by the time you'll have saved up for the plane ticket you're gonna need a visa, brexit boy
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:by the time you'll have saved up for the plane ticket you're gonna need a visa, brexit boy 
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jabby posted:Such a bizarre line of thinking. You start off by admitting races essentially don't exist, and people can't actually be divided up by race. Then you invent a scenario where everyone has self-divided into races and started fighting each other, and want to discuss it. It's entirely contradictory and the fact that you talk about the second part even semi-seriously makes people think you don't actually believe the first part. That's why people think you're racist. Biological races do not exist, and nature in and of itself does not divide by race. Unfortunately, the historical experience of European colonisation of the Americas, dispossession of the Native Americans and the transatlantic slave trade have engineered racial differences on a purely political and economic basis- race is a social construct. Racial difference in the United States is seen most clearly through the lens of social, political and economic inequality, which are the harbingers of racial tension. It is not the case that people simply elected to 'self-divide' by race by some innate biological impulse- they came about over generations of material inequality that enabled the White elites to maintain African Americans as slaves and then a dispossessed labour class by the granting of certain privileges of political representation, suffrage and property to poorer Whites- which ultimately resulted in the inequality and oppressor-oppressed dynamic that we see today. This has created an understandable tension between oppressed and oppressor. This is ultimately the basis of racial difference in the United States and unfortunately, makes race a reality. People have not consciously 'self-divided' into different races- a history of inequality has done that. This division is best resolved by efforts to reduce the inequality that is the basis of race. However, if the White majority refuses to make sufficient effort to end this inequality, then conflict fostered by this inequality and fought along racial lines is a foreseeable consequence, followed by a desire to separate from an oppressor. My discussion of ethno-states only related to the mitigation of violence should this state of affairs be reached. I must stress that the preferable course is one of racial reconciliation by reducing inequality within the United States and without any kind of racial separation.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:by the time you'll have saved up for the plane ticket you're gonna need a visa, brexit boy lol
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:by the time you'll have saved up for the plane ticket you're gonna need a visa, brexit boy I am entirely and unequivocally against Brexit, and would be willing to smash teeth to prevent it.
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e:^^^^ dogpiling on a guy with mental issues, I think?Lord_Adonis posted:I am entirely and unequivocally against Brexit. All British are brexit boys, just like everyone on the left is a soy boy
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Lord_Adonis posted:I am entirely and unequivocally against Brexit. I'm starting to see the benefits
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OwlFancier posted:And so it comes full circle back to Damien Green. Beating himself up, you wazzock, not beating himself off.
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Lord_Adonis posted:I am entirely and unequivocally against Brexit. I am a real Remaniac Fight for the right to work and wank I am a real remaniac fight for what's right KEEP BRIXTON WHITE
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WeAreTheRomans posted:e:^^^^ dogpiling on a guy with mental issues, I think? I refuse to accept being stripped of my EU citizenship. I will erect a tent in the Sonian Forest and inhabit it as a form of protest to prevent it. I am an EU citizen- NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DEPRIVE ME OF THIS. I would be happy to meet David Davis somewhere to prove this point.
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communism bitch posted:what the gently caress is going on We're trying to work out Cardassian - Ferengi relations and its not going too well...
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Gonzo McFee posted:I am a real Remaniac gently caress you bully. I am pro immigration and declare that refugees are welcome here.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:you're an ethnic cleansing supporting Nazi, we get it. Now get to loving the gently caress off That is as yet unproven. Call a moderator if you want me to gently caress off. I have the right to defend myself.
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Jedit posted:Beating himself up, you wazzock, not beating himself off. Don't kinkshame.
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Lord_Adonis posted:I refuse to accept being stripped of my EU citizenship. I will erect a tent in the Sonian Forest and inhabit it as a form of protest to prevent it. I am an EU citizen- NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DEPRIVE ME OF THIS. I would be happy to meet David Davis somewhere to prove this point. I'm gonna come to that forest and beat the poo poo out of you and smash up your tent
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Jedit posted:Actually it's not. It's valid to argue that all men are equal and yet if people insist on using social constructs for race - or gender, or anything else really - we have two choices. Either we educate everyone out of their bad habit, or if that proves impossible we adapt society to reduce and preferably eliminate the discord caused by our fundamental inability as human beings to say "that person is no better or worse than I am just because he's different". I agree that it would be vastly preferable to re-educate racial supremacists and nationalists. If this can be done effectively, then there should be no need for any kind of separation.
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I skip ahead five pages and you're still having this loving argument? Haven't you guys already had this one about four times as well? Eagerly waiting to see how you lot manage to one-up us in the Incompetence Rally. I think we've just pulled ahead pretty hard, but Britain has been repeatedly surprising in the last few years.
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Lord_Adonis posted:That is as yet unproven. Call a moderator if you want me to gently caress off. I have the right to defend myself. trust me, a moderator has been called on pretty much every post you've made tonight, but you keep calling yourself not a racist, I'm sure it'll help you sleep at night. You oval office
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I'm gonna come to that forest and beat the poo poo out of you and smash up your tent I'd like to see that.
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