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Magius1337est
Sep 13, 2017

Chimichanga
also the pistol, grenades, laser tripwire, and satchels are all worthless weapons

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Magius1337est
Sep 13, 2017

Chimichanga
opposing force CTF was the better multiplayer mod and I have no idea why they took it out of the steam release:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oubjENTsUx4

Magius1337est
Sep 13, 2017

Chimichanga
arena shooters were better with runes mods

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Caesar Saladin posted:

if you leave pc gamers to their own devices they just end up bouncing all over the map like retarded rabbits so they are beyond saving anyway

those goddamn pc gamers :argh:

but seriously, there is literally no reason for console shooters to have autoaim

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here
All games, gamers, game creators, game producers, and game merchandise is terrible horrible garbage.

Try and disagree.

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS

I am an old, I have been gaming for around thirty years acoss all platforms. And I have to say that Dark Souls is the first game in decades that brought back the magic for me. I remember renting nes titles from the video store and having no Idea what was going on, but never sure what would or could happen, there were no rules and it was kinda magical, all the kids had all sorts of school ground lore. Same with dark souls, there was this massive world with a lot of lore but you have to figure it out, hell, you dont even know what most items do at the start. It gave me warm happy fuzzies.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Lmao if you don't have a PC, a screen mirror, and a wireless usb controller so you can switch based on preference and where you're playing. It's the end of 2017 ffs.

Sure, you miss out on a handful of console exclusives, but it's the best possible overall gaming experience you can have.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Magius1337est posted:

arena shooters were better with runes mods

Arena shooters have never been good.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


I play the Fallouts with a controller, but that's a game in which you literally never have to aim.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I'd like to invite anyone to explain why auto aim in games is a bad thing, without sounding like someone who's head any reasonable human would want to stuff in a toilet.

veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Dec 3, 2017

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


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3. Clothing. This amounts to armor. Initial armor setups involve near-future military style oferings. Again, google it, but the general themes are - militaristic, "rogue" - as in you can look like a no-nonsesne mercenary who doesn't mind wearing a leather vest and exposed chest to a firefight with aliens.

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-Ranger. Default weapon is a shotgun, and a sword or axe. Ninja otaku type dude.
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-Specialist. - You get your own drone. If you want one of these you need to choose the medic path or the hacking path. Keep in mind i rarely keep the hacker on my team as a regular, as the medic specialist is far too useful.
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I did this with my friends once with xcom 1 and it's rather fun. I thought i'd try with goons. yall are welcome to laugh and ignore or take me up. the effort involved is less than what it took to write this post so I leave it to you fine gentlemen and ladies.

hip check please
Jan 11, 2012

veni veni veni posted:

I'd like to invite anyone to explain why auto aim in games is a bad thing, without sounding like someone who's head any reasonable human would want to stuff in a toilet.

Depends on the game but manual feels more involved. Auto aim can feel like you are just pressing a kill button. Gets boring after a while.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


auto-aim is good on analog systems, where precision is unreasonable. but a mouse, especially a high DPI mouse, as one designed for gaming, has so much precision that auto-aim either becomes a hindrance or striaght up cheating depending on how it's calibrated.

hip check please
Jan 11, 2012

Plus with manual you can shoot people in the nuts and rear end. Although I guess you can do that with VATS

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

2house2fly posted:

If you need skill to play with a controller even with auto aim then what's the problem with auto aim?

You technically need skill to match a round peg with a circular hole.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

veni veni veni posted:

I'd like to invite anyone to explain why auto aim in games is a bad thing, without sounding like someone who's head any reasonable human would want to stuff in a toilet.

It's not autoaim that's bad, it's retarded controllers that aren't capable of moving a point through space that are bad. Autoaim is just a necessary reaction to their terribleness.

Controllers are relatively good at imparting directional momentum, that's about it, using them for anything else is like trying to hammer a nail with a spoon.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

there are people out there who are considerably better with a controller than you are with a mouse though, its just video games, its not like they are hard to beat.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Sorry I should have specified, with an analog controller. On a platform where everyone is using it.

Autoaim is loving amazing and is barely noticeable when done right. And it makes console games feel great to play. I'm sure some sad gently caress who confuses his own non existent masculinity with being able to click on something with a mouse will say otherwise though.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Who gives a poo poo, if you think something that sort of works is good enough, it's your decision, no skin off my back.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


It doesn't sort of work. It works.

Obviously you give a poo poo. You are posting about it. My comment wasn't even directed at you it was just caught in the crossfire.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


So is K+M an inferior way to play games now that we have touch screens and VR headsets that provide even better accuracy? Since control is defined by how fast we can click on things apparently? Why use a mouse when you can just tap on something or look at it?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
I care in the sense that I recognize there are mechanical differences that make each device differently suited for different things, I don't care if somebody spends their time using keyboards to play racing games or a controller to play RPGs, it's their problem.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Really? Nobody wants a character to get their rear end blasted by an alien? Traitors. I will loving enlist some of you against your will.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


steinrokkan posted:

I care in the sense that I recognize there are mechanical differences that make each device differently suited for different things, I don't care if somebody spends their time using keyboards to play racing games or a controller to play RPGs, it's their problem.



Sorry dude, but you seem to really care about your sausage fingers not being able to handle a controller.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
If saying that makes you feel better...

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


It's not about how I feel, it just seems like you really struggle with something that 6 year olds can do perfectly fine and I don't know how to approach that.

veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Dec 3, 2017

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017
Weird that the person who valiantly defends nintendo and the person who valiantly defends sony both team up to preach about controller supremacy.

controllers have their uses and some games are better with them. Hyperlight Drifter is a good example. Fighting games are another.

But acting like an objectively worse way to aim is actually the best way to aim because it's harder? Lol.

If your preferred consoles ignored half of all button presses would you be fetishizing the concept talking about how it enriches your gaming experience? You guys already explain away the lacking graphical power and aging hardware as having "better presentation."

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


This is Commie Ned.

Could be you!

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
Console FPS games are retarded and the people who defend console controls as superior are demented. They're also single-handedly responsible for how lazy console ports have enemies run to a certain spot and stand still for 20 seconds and fire intermittently because that's the only way people playing the game with a woggly stick can turn around in time without dying.

e: oh, and cover shooters and regenerating health are both pretty much designed only to soften shooting games so they can be bearable on consoles. because hiding behind invicibility walls and boxes for 50% of your gametime is the only sustainable way for players to survive on console.

Jeza fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Dec 3, 2017

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

mice are whack because you have to sit up at your desk and click things like i do at my job all day

i don't think anybody says controllers are better, nobody says that, but they are usable for modern video games for sure. I know if you keep saying "objectively" over and over again you are being correct but subjectivity is also a thing when it comes to hobbies, believe it or not. Nobody is rating your video game efficiency.

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

Caesar Saladin posted:

mice are whack because you have to sit up at your desk and click things like i do at my job all day

i don't think anybody says controllers are better, nobody says that, but they are usable for modern video games for sure. I know if you keep saying "objectively" over and over again you are being correct but subjectivity is also a thing when it comes to hobbies, believe it or not. Nobody is rating your video game efficiency.

I too have apparently not used a mouse in the last decade. Mine tracks perfectly on carpet, couches or my literal balls. I am mousing over my balls right now.

Did PC Gamers kill your parents or something?

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

i have a good pc and two consoles, i just think its funny to rile people up with an unpopular opinion in the thread, because pc gamers descend like seagulls and start squawking at any scraps they can find. why do you guys keep calling me angry lmao

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Caesar Saladin posted:

i have a good pc and two consoles, i just think its funny to rile people up with an unpopular opinion in the thread, because pc gamers descend like seagulls and start squawking at any scraps they can find. why do you guys keep calling me angry lmao

Yeah lol this is true, i pc game on the couch but FPSs with a trackball are rough.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
The Steam controller is a valiant effort, and is better than a regular stick, but still kind of jerky. Might be better than your trackball, though, I dunno.

Das Butterbrot
Dec 2, 2005
Lecker.

veni veni veni posted:

So is K+M an inferior way to play games now that we have touch screens and VR headsets that provide even better accuracy? Since control is defined by how fast we can click on things apparently? Why use a mouse when you can just tap on something or look at it?

objectively, yes

thing is, VR is still too expensive and too much of a hassle to set up for the average user (especially room scale applications)

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
call me when I can play a AAA FPS game using only my eyes as laser beams

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
VR is already dead

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Weird that the person who valiantly defends nintendo and the person who valiantly defends sony both team up to preach about controller supremacy.

controllers have their uses and some games are better with them. Hyperlight Drifter is a good example. Fighting games are another.

But acting like an objectively worse way to aim is actually the best way to aim because it's harder? Lol.

If your preferred consoles ignored half of all button presses would you be fetishizing the concept talking about how it enriches your gaming experience? You guys already explain away the lacking graphical power and aging hardware as having "better presentation."
My PS4 has far superior graphical power to my PC.


ditty bout my clitty posted:

VR is already dead
It never lived. What it is now, is miscarried.

2house2fly fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Dec 3, 2017

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

ditty bout my clitty posted:

VR is already dead

someone should port Dactyl Nightmare to android. it took a $100k set up to play originally, but i bet it could run fine on a modern cell phone slotted into a cardboard box on your head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6t69mp0ZhE

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

2house2fly posted:

My PS4 has far superior graphical power to my PC.

Don't buy a netbook to play games.

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