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I think South Korea said the missile reached ten times the altitude of the ISS? Really the surprising part of that, if true, is how close the ISS is to earth. I guess you have to be that close to maintain orbit.
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The ISS is in low orbit because it's easier to get things up to it there, including the ISS modules themselves. I think it's actually pretty close to the maximum altitude for Russia's Progress launches too. It's actually harder to maintain orbit lower down because the atmosphere is a dick and tries to ruin your day.
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disjoe posted:I guess you have to be that close to maintain orbit. This doesn't make any loving sense and you should feel bad for posting it.
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disjoe posted:I think South Korea said the missile reached ten times the altitude of the ISS? No you have to be that close so the Space Shuttle can reach you.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Conspiratiorist posted:This doesn't make any loving sense and you should feel bad for posting it. Shut the gently caress up. I could've worded that better; I meant that ISS has to be somewhat close to Earth so that it doesn't depart from Earth's orbit. Paradoxish posted:The ISS is in low orbit because it's easier to get things up to it there, including the ISS modules themselves. I think it's actually pretty close to the maximum altitude for Russia's Progress launches too. This was helpful in correcting me, thank you.
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disjoe posted:Shut the gently caress up. that is even worse!
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:that is even worse! e: sorry, original post was me being a dickhead. Yeah, I was wrong about it and was trying to convey that I'm learning.
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Don't worry y'all, Trump's got this! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/935881037254725632
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ISS being in a lower orbit is also helpful in that, thanks to the aforementioned atmospheric drag, there's less debris at that altitude to potentially collide with.
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So does that mean NK has the ability to send up a missile filled with scrap metal and have it detonate at around the height our GPS and comms satellites are orbiting? Sort of a home-made Kessler syndrome? Really, I'm surprised the columnists haven't gotten hold of that idea yet.
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Tree Bucket posted:So does that mean NK has the ability to send up a missile filled with scrap metal and have it detonate at around the height our GPS and comms satellites are orbiting? That would be a technically challenging and incredibly dumb use of missile tech.
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Tree Bucket posted:So does that mean NK has the ability to send up a missile filled with scrap metal and have it detonate at around the height our GPS and comms satellites are orbiting? Sort of a home-made Kessler syndrome? Really, I'm surprised the columnists haven't gotten hold of that idea yet. North Korea built and launched a satellite back in 2012 or so, they could have hypothetically just packed it full of explosives and blew up to gently caress with every nation's satellites. The USA, France, Japan, China, UK, India, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Iran, and North Korea have all demonstrated independent satellite launch capability outside of any joint/regional space association like the European Space Agency or any that have existed in the past. Dozens of other countries have launched satellites, but had to use a foreign country's launch vehicles or satellite designs to do so, and as such couldn't do anything to harass satellite orbit layers without another country's cooperation.
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fishmech posted:North Korea built and launched a satellite back in 2012 or so, they could have hypothetically just packed it full of explosives and blew up to gently caress with every nation's satellites. Note: the UK, embarrassingly, doesn't really count anymore since it shitcanned its space programme after successful early launches and now all its launches are either done via ESA or (in case of ballistic missiles) are basically borrowed from the US. It may or may not reenter the club of satellite launch capable nations in the next 20 years or so.
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fishmech posted:North Korea built and launched a satellite back in 2012 or so, they could have hypothetically just packed it full of explosives and blew up to gently caress with every nation's satellites. Wonder if they might be keeping this in their back pocket for if things actually start going down. Would be un-interceptable and would really screw with the rest of the world.
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blowfish posted:Note: the UK, embarrassingly, doesn't really count anymore since it shitcanned its space programme after successful early launches and now all its launches are either done via ESA or (in case of ballistic missiles) are basically borrowed from the US. It may or may not reenter the club of satellite launch capable nations in the next 20 years or so. To be fair, if it was supported by the economy of scale then it's a pretty pragmatic move to shift it to an outside supplier that can be trusted/has a decent safety record. Mozi posted:Wonder if they might be keeping this in their back pocket for if things actually start going down. Would be un-interceptable and would really screw with the rest of the world. Given it's been tumbling ever since it was launched, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do anything with it - if it hasn't already burned up on re-entry.
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Mozi posted:Wonder if they might be keeping this in their back pocket for if things actually start going down. Would be un-interceptable and would really screw with the rest of the world.
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Mozi posted:Wonder if they might be keeping this in their back pocket for if things actually start going down. Would be un-interceptable and would really screw with the rest of the world. You're misjudging the actual priorities of the world. Them killing koreans is grudgingly acceptable, but if they start loving with our TV series and car navigation the Politburo will be dead in the morning.
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Creating a serious navigational hazard for given satellite orbits is kind of expensive and as mentioned previously within the purview of a limited group of nations, so pretty much will only happen when America and China get into a serious standoff, since the Chinese are guaranteed to take out the GPS constellation if there's a real possibility of confrontation.
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GPS satellites are usually in a medium earth orbit, that's high enough that you'd need a serious space vehicle launch to get at them. You also probably can't clutter that orbit nearly as easily as you could the lower bands.
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Tias posted:You're misjudging the actual priorities of the world. Them killing koreans is grudgingly acceptable, but if they start loving with our TV series and car navigation the Politburo will be dead in the morning. I was thinking more along the lines of they would do this once we’ve launched nukes at then, so they know they’re dead anyways, might as well give a big gently caress you to the world with this in addition to whatever else they’re planning.
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TsarZiedonis posted:GPS satellites are usually in a medium earth orbit, that's high enough that you'd need a serious space vehicle launch to get at them. You also probably can't clutter that orbit nearly as easily as you could the lower bands. Yep. GPS is zipping around in orbit 20,200km out. You'd need a pretty serious rocket to get a kill vehicle up to them.
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Mozi posted:I was thinking more along the lines of they would do this once we’ve launched nukes at then, so they know they’re dead anyways, might as well give a big gently caress you to the world with this in addition to whatever else they’re planning. Then they'd have to get serious about developing the capability and threaten to do it. Having a final gently caress you isn't a deterrant if no one knows it's coming.
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Apparently there are plans to replace the conciliatory Tillerson with the CIA warhawk Pompeo as Secretary of State in the coming weeks. Would this shift in policy lead to war?
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Mozi posted:I was thinking more along the lines of they would do this once we’ve launched nukes at then, so they know they’re dead anyways, might as well give a big gently caress you to the world with this in addition to whatever else they’re planning. The DPKR would devote all of its strike capability against SK and Japan to try and overwhelm anti-missile defenses. They can't afford to gently caress around with satellites. Additionally, any nuclear weapons employed against them would be via bomber and submarine, giving them virtually no time to respond, and in the first place the purpose of any such action would be to decisively eliminate their launch capabilities.
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Grouchio posted:Apparently there are plans to replace the conciliatory Tillerson with the CIA warhawk Pompeo as Secretary of State in the coming weeks. Would this shift in policy lead to war? It decreases the risk of accidental war and increases the risk of "preventative war." That might be more aimed at Iran than North Korea though.
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Grouchio posted:Apparently there are plans to replace the conciliatory Tillerson with the CIA warhawk Pompeo as Secretary of State in the coming weeks. Would this shift in policy lead to war? If it were Bolton or Haley, I'd say absolutely Pompeo at least seems level-headed
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A reasonably interesting paper about recent North Korean TV drama and how it has changed under Kim Jong Un: http://www.keia.org/publication/soap-operas-and-socialism-dissecting-kim-jong-un%E2%80%99s-evolving-policy-priorities-through-tv quote:The props in today’s quote:There are humanizing moments designed to draw a laugh. In one scene, the women of Changjon Street gossip shamelessly when the truck driver arrives for the first time to move in. They comment on his height (an obsession in North Korea) and his looks, clicking their tongues. He turns around, teasing them about their rising blood pressure. “What kind of woman do you like?” one wife asks. “One like you,” he flirtatiously responds. For a minute, you might think you’re watching The Real Housewives of Pyongyang. Later, the otherwise manly truck driver comes out into the living room wearing an apron that is clearly too small for him — a gag that would appeal on either side of the DMZ.
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It seems as though a lot of the nuclear experts on twitter seem to believe that a war with North Korea is extremely close Any thoughts on this? I personally believe it's a bunch of fear mongering bullshit
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Willo567 posted:It seems as though a lot of the nuclear experts on twitter seem to believe that a war with North Korea is extremely close It depends on whether you think the Trump administration will tolerate a DPRK armed with decoy-equipped, nuclear-tipped ICBMs capable of striking the US mainland. Which they're virtually assured to have within the next 6 to 8 months.
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Conspiratiorist posted:It depends on whether you think the Trump administration will tolerate a DPRK armed with decoy-equipped, nuclear-tipped ICBMs capable of striking the US mainland. Which they're virtually assured to have within the next 6 to 8 months. They've stated that they aren't going to tolerate one My fear is that according to the experts, if we go to war with them, they can now attack us. I'm a little doubtful about this, since they've only tested that Hwasong-15 once
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mediadave posted:A reasonably interesting paper about recent North Korean TV drama and how it has changed under Kim Jong Un: I haven't gotten to watch the more recent of these personally but I had a few of them described to me. A significant push built heavily into the characters and plots is the importance of traditional gender roles and proper womanhood and it would be worthwhile to compare the ones my family has seen to ones made in the last two years to see if that's changing substantially, or if they address the private enterprise situation.
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Willo567 posted:They've stated that they aren't going to tolerate one If you have only a handful of nuclear devices and an invasion is underway, shooting them across the ocean into a massive, decentralized country is not a very good strategic decision.
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Zophar posted:If you have only a handful of nuclear devices and an invasion is underway, shooting them across the ocean into a massive, decentralized country is not a very good strategic decision.
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Willo567 posted:They've stated that they aren't going to tolerate one I wouldn't really be concerned about this since for the moment they lack the numbers to effectively get past continental US ABM. Any nuclear weapons they're producing right now will target NK/Japan to get past defenses by way of saturation along their MRBMs slash conventional munitions. For the moment. See, reliable ABM against peers doesn't exist, but it's got a chance against DPRK's tech base, since at the moment they lack maneuverable entry vehicles and MIRV capability, so it's a question of saturation, but that's something US ABM tech is reliably effective against. There are drawbacks, since they're kinetic kill weapons with no explosives, so any misses launched at a DPRK ICBM headed to the continental US are going to re-enter the atmosphere at a ballistic trajectory over Russia - where they hopefully won't be misinterpreted as a nuclear first strike against them, but even the best case scenario is they easily collect and get to dissect like a hundred of the US's most advanced munitions for literally no cost. However, the apparent volume and throw-weight of the Hwasong-15 definitely suggests that MIRV capability is in the works, or a shitton of decoys since the DPRK may not necessarily have the volume of nuclear warheads to fully leverage MIRV tech. So, yeah. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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I only asked because this guy is apparently a nuclear weapons expert, and posted this in response to the upcoming drills https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/937149742366281730
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So the US is sending F22s and F35s to South Korea for joint wargame training. Of course like usual this pisses off North Korea and I kid you not this is how they responded: "The stealth fighters which the enemies boast so much of will not escape the fate of a tiger moth," the North Korean commentary said. OH poo poo THEY HAVE TIGER MOTHS!! http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/03/asia/north-korean-us-tensions-wargames-intl/index.html
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Conspiratiorist posted:
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If these are interceptors launching from Alaska at missiles from North Korea heading over the North pole toward North America it seems super unlikely they'd land in Russia without slamming into something first. Most of what's downrange in that scenario is ocean.
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Jagged Jim posted:Don't worry y'all, Trump's got this! Why does he always write Xi's name in capital? Does him not know how to spell Xi's name and always copy the name from a note app?
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