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katotaan sitten miltä mokoman kolmas kausi näyttää
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SulphagneSocialist posted:I also like journalists going all "uhh why do all these rival candidates suck why isn't there a proper election", I'm sure the media has had nothing to do with that. Yeah, the amount of tabloid coverage of the presidential pair has been nauseating to say the least. Like who cares if she happened to "radiate" when she stood next to some remnant of a monarchical institute. I really wonder who falls for that faux-royalty portrayal of the president and her wife. If the polls are anything to go by, quite a lot of people.
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Nov 30, 2017 17:33
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You'd have to be turbohitler to not get a second term these days. After all, the president has no powers. The only thing he needs to do is not send drunken text messages to a prostitute and endure the occasional yellow paper photoshoot.
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Nov 30, 2017 17:41
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DarkCrawler posted:https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9953919 quote:Yhdistykset katsoivat käräjäoikeuskäsittelyssä, että niille voidaan antaa korkeintaan varoitus. Ne korostivat, että viranomaiset eivät ole antaneet minkäänlaista ohjeistusta eivätkä mahdollisuutta korjata toimintatapoja ja julkisia asenteita. lol
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Nov 30, 2017 19:48
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I mentioned today that the treatment of Finnish president does come off as a bit royal and nobody really understood where I was coming from. Especially the independence day ceremony, which is a little strange.
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Dec 1, 2017 02:33
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We almost had a King early on, having a pseudo-monarchical President in terms of constitutional power was a compromise out of that mess and the patina has stuck on even if the powers have been slowly taken away. Finns seem to love the English and Swedish royals too for some bizarre reason.
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Dec 1, 2017 06:49
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They're an elected constitutional monarch in pretty much all significant terms. Should just abolish the post really but when you look at the flag and the coat of arms you'd think that we're a constitutional monarchy anyway...the current adoration is because A) the only politicians not hated by at least 50% of the population are the ones who are not making any actual decisions B) Sauli is by Finnish standards at least decently charismatic C) the First Lady is pretty hot
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Dec 1, 2017 08:14
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DarkCrawler posted:They're an elected constitutional monarch in pretty much all significant terms. Should just abolish the post really but when you look at the flag and the coat of arms you'd think that we're a constitutional monarchy anyway...the current adoration is because A) the only politicians not hated by at least 50% of the population are the ones who are not making any actual decisions B) Sauli is by Finnish standards at least decently charismatic C) the First Lady is pretty hot D) 
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Dec 1, 2017 08:19
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Lennu is a good dog, I agree. Meanwhile, "I never thought leopards would eat MY face", says woman who joined Face-Eating Leopards Party
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Dec 1, 2017 08:25
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Oh yeah, of course! poo poo I think I'll cast my vote for him.
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Dec 1, 2017 08:41
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Krabboss posted:I mentioned today that the treatment of Finnish president does come off as a bit royal and nobody really understood where I was coming from. Especially the independence day ceremony, which is a little strange. "a bit" is putting it lightly
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Dec 1, 2017 11:41
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Lennu is a good dog, I agree. She's totally on board with the rest of their policies though.
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Dec 1, 2017 12:33
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Anyone who isn't rich and votes for Cock is leopard meal anyway
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Dec 1, 2017 13:48
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http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/01/doner-kebabs-to-be-outlawed-across-europe-7124829/ EU has gone too far.
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Dec 1, 2017 16:29
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I dunno, maybe use less and/or non-toxic additives? It's not like we have proper kebab spits here anyway.
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Dec 1, 2017 17:20
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ja siten kebab poistettiin kirjaimellisesti euroopasta
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Dec 1, 2017 21:59
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Shawarma is the superior shredded meat product anyway.
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Dec 1, 2017 22:34
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Cerebral Bore posted:Shawarma is the superior shredded meat product anyway. Like gyro, shawarma is literally 100% the same thing as spinny kebab.
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Dec 1, 2017 23:40
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Jerry Cotton posted:Like gyro, shawarma is literally 100% the same thing as spinny kebab. There's stuff that is OK to lie about, and then there's this.
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Dec 1, 2017 23:43
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Darkest Auer posted:It's not like we have proper kebab spits here anyway. Very true. Why must we suffer stale and greasy minced meat "kebab" year after year while the Germans grow fat feasting on succulent, recognizable veal, lamb and chicken?
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Dec 2, 2017 01:55
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SulphagneSocialist posted:We almost had a King early on, having a pseudo-monarchical President in terms of constitutional power was a compromise out of that mess and the patina has stuck on even if the powers have been slowly taken away. Finns seem to love the English and Swedish royals too for some bizarre reason. Yes, it was shocking to see magazines in stores covered with Princess Di or some other royal family member. I really don't understand the fascination.
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Dec 2, 2017 04:29
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Herman Merman posted:Very true. Why must we suffer stale and greasy minced meat "kebab" year after year while the Germans grow fat feasting on succulent, recognizable veal, lamb and chicken? And Germans pay like three times less for something that doesn't have the texture and edibility of rubber.
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Dec 2, 2017 12:41
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Germans also have mini jobs, brothels and vodka in Lidl. Makes u think.
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Dec 3, 2017 09:03
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DarkCrawler posted:And Germans pay like three times less for something that doesn't have the texture and edibility of rubber. Might have something to do with the fact that the labour unions don't run their country https://seura.fi/asiat/ajankohtaista/saksassa-osa-saa-niin-pienta-palkkaa-etta-silla-ei-tule-toimeen-ja-suomessa-haikaillaan-samaa
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Dec 3, 2017 14:18
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Turns out labor costs go down when you don't have to pay anything to your employees. I'd rather pay a little more taxes and a little more for a kebab than live in a society that has slaves though.
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Dec 3, 2017 14:38
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Darkest Auer posted:Turns out labor costs go down when you don't have to pay anything to your employees. I'd rather pay a little more taxes and a little more for a kebab than live in a society that has slaves though. That's probably because you don't pay taxes. I'd rather pay less taxes, have people who would otherwise be unemployed people doing productive stuff (slaves working willingly and for pay) and pay less for kebabs though.
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Dec 3, 2017 14:52
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The key to a good society is cheap kebab by way of an exploited workforce incapable of collective bargaining.
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Dec 3, 2017 15:01
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Krabboss posted:The key to a good society is cheap kebab by way of an exploited workforce incapable of collective bargaining.
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Dec 3, 2017 15:11
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GP jumping straight to "you don't work or pay taxes" this time Usually it takes a few posts.
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Dec 3, 2017 15:14
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How could anyone with a job have time to post on internet forums???
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Dec 3, 2017 15:19
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Krabboss posted:The key to a good society is cheap kebab by way of an exploited workforce incapable of collective bargaining. No, you're right, a much better society is one where low-skilled people just sit around and everyone else pays crazy taxes so that we can protect the "rights" of the people who are lucky enough to have got permanent, union-protected jobs. Because letting low-skilled workers into the workforce would be slavery and paying huge amounts of money for anything that isn't imported doesn't really hurt anyone. After all, the TRUE key to a good society is preserving the privileges of the middle classes who have jobs-for-life, not taking care of the poor or ensuring that our economy won't go the way of Greece in 20 years.
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Dec 3, 2017 15:25
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"I'd rather have slaves." - Geriatric Pirate, 2017
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Dec 3, 2017 15:35
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DanTheFryingPan posted:"I'd rather have slaves." - Geriatric Pirate, 2017 Maybe he's just a fan of Murray Rothbard?
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Dec 3, 2017 15:36
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Dec 3, 2017 15:36
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Geriatric Pirate posted:No, you're right, a much better society is one where low-skilled people just sit around and everyone else pays crazy taxes so that we can protect the "rights" of the people who are lucky enough to have got permanent, union-protected jobs. Because letting low-skilled workers into the workforce would be slavery and paying huge amounts of money for anything that isn't imported doesn't really hurt anyone. After all, the TRUE key to a good society is preserving the privileges of the middle classes who have jobs-for-life, not taking care of the poor or ensuring that our economy won't go the way of Greece in 20 years. I'm not really sure what you're saying. I don't see how tax is related to low skill workers being unemployed. That's the case in every country. The tax in my home country of Australia is lower than it is here, but youth unemployment in my home town is still 30%. Industries which don't require high skill workers are dying in Australia and the same is true in Finland. You seem to mostly want to bust up unions so that wages go down and more people are employed part time. I'm not sure how that would take care of the poor or what it has to do with taxes. I mean I'm new the country so I could very well be wrong, but if somebody in Australia said they wanted to help the poor by weakening unions and a nebulous lowering of "taxes," I would assume they're not acting in good faith.
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Dec 3, 2017 15:51
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Geriatric Pirate posted:No, you're right, a much better society is one where low-skilled people just sit around and everyone else pays crazy taxes so that we can protect the "rights" of the people who are lucky enough to have got permanent, union-protected jobs. Because letting low-skilled workers into the workforce would be slavery and paying huge amounts of money for anything that isn't imported doesn't really hurt anyone. After all, the TRUE key to a good society is preserving the privileges of the middle classes who have jobs-for-life, not taking care of the poor or ensuring that our economy won't go the way of Greece in 20 years. I don't think we can compete with developing third world nations in terms of wages just by tearing down our worker's rights. No matter what we'll do, they'll always have the upper hand with low wages and available population. And now that we're on the verge of a robotic revolution, I think it's time we start thinking outside of the traditional mindsets when it comes to work and society.
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Dec 3, 2017 15:56
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Taxes are not really the problem, the union mafia defending the employed at the expense of the unemployed, and the poorly functioning welfare systems are. It only makes sense to hire someone with low productivity if you can also pay them a low wage, and it only makes sense for them to accept a low wage if they don't get the same money from toimeentulotuki. That's why we need perustulo.
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Dec 3, 2017 16:11
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Krabboss posted:I'm not really sure what you're saying. I don't see how tax is related to low skill workers being unemployed. That's the case in every country. The tax in my home country of Australia is lower than it is here, but youth unemployment in my home town is still 30%. Industries which don't require high skill workers are dying in Australia and the same is true in Finland. Before the current government took office we had NATIONAL youth unemployment of 20%, it's gone down a lot with our current government though, but 30% is nothing outrageous compared to rates you see in Europe (Spain is at 35% etc.). I don't really care about "busting up" unions other than ending their right to make contracts which apply to people who haven't signed them. The system right now is so that if you have both a company looking for a part-time worker and a worker who wants to work part-time (because it's better than being unemployed), if they are in an industry where the unions have banned part-time work, they are not allowed to sign a contract. In the industries where the unions haven't banned part-time work, the contract still needs to meet a whole set of onerous rules. The people who "benefit" from this are those whose jobs are not threatened by people willing to work for less money, the people who are hurt are those who are most likely to be out of the labor force or unemployed, so low-skilled workers, migrants, etc. It should tell you something about Finland that the unemployment rate for those people who haven't completed high school is 25% while for university graduates it's like 5%. Unemployment rates for non-ethnic Finns are multiples of those for ethnic Finns, and that's not accounting for people who have been discouraged and just drop out of the labour force totally. The current system hurts the poorest people because unions don't want to take any risk that benefits for the middle-classes are affected. Our unemployment system, which basically cuts your benefits even if you receive tiny sums of income, doesn't really help much in terms of encouraging people to take on productive work. That unemployment system has of course been designed hand-in-hand with the labour unions, so that belonging to a labour union gets you higher benefits* though the union contributions only cover a fraction of those, the majority of the extra benefits come from the government. It's maintained by the fact that the unions pay for the elections of both our major left-wing parties (the Left Alliance and the Social Democrats) and the fact that there seems to be a revolving door between these parties and the labor unions (head of SDP is a former labour union boss). The entire system is rigged to favor people on long-term contracts who belong to unions every step of the way. Which is great for them, but the simple fact is that we have lots of people in Finland who are simply not economically hireable on full-time, high-paying contracts and who remain unemployed as a result. The system keeps these people from even working part-time, which then means that people pay more in taxes and higher prices for everything. The German system, which allows workers to retain some benefits while working low-paying jobs and where unions haven't managed to ban part-time or short-term contracts is working much better for them. *yes, there are several alternative unemployment insurance funds but most people are unaware of them As for taxes, I didn't really see them as a problem leading to this but more of a byproduct that has negative consequences elsewhere. See my response to doverhog below. Rexroom posted:I don't think we can compete with developing third world nations in terms of wages just by tearing down our worker's rights. No matter what we'll do, they'll always have the upper hand with low wages and available population. And now that we're on the verge of a robotic revolution, I think it's time we start thinking outside of the traditional mindsets when it comes to work and society. doverhog posted:Taxes are not really the problem, the union mafia defending the employed at the expense of the unemployed, and the poorly functioning welfare systems are. It only makes sense to hire someone with low productivity if you can also pay them a low wage, and it only makes sense for them to accept a low wage if they don't get the same money from toimeentulotuki. That's why we need perustulo. This is correct, I wasn't really referring to taxes as keeping people unemployed but more as a consequence of unemployment (higher benefits, no part-time work -> higher taxes). High taxes are a problem in the sense that they discourage work / investment / whatever they are levied on, but they are not the big problem affecting our unemployed.
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Double Bill posted:M'lady 
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I wonder what lengths the Soviets will go to to get Huhtasaari elected.
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