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Tab8715 posted:It seems as if Sessions has mostly given up on marijuana enforcement. I was concerned as well but it appears to be a a non-issue. My opinion is that the Trump/Sessions axis was significantly depowered after Sessions recused himself from the Russia case. That seems to have permanently made an enemy of him in Trump's mind. Remember the public shaming? Sessions wanted full on culture war but he doesn't have the ability to do it anymore. He's just doing petty poo poo like suing Harvard for not letting in enough white people.
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A Canadian Tory read an anti cannabis poem in parliament https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...source=vicefbca https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/status/936652621716258816 I want to protest an ill thought out bill, that is passing through parliament here on the hill, The bill that is bad is called C-45, It has so many flaws it just shouldn't survive, The Grits will allow four pot plants in each dwelling, Regardless of how bad each place will be smelling, With mold, ventilation as issues unplanned, This bill will not keep pot from our children's hand, There are more new infractions within this new rule, That our courts will be flooded as will every school, With drug impaired driving and challenges there, The doubling of traffic deaths and Liberals don't care, The provinces and police in every town, Have all asked the Liberals to slow this bill down, With nearly 200 more days left til the day, Nobody but our party stands in the way, We hope that the senate will do its true deed, And keep our great country safe from all the weed.
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Thanks for sharing that god-awful poetry. Honestly, for as much as it's a huge deal that Canada will be the second country in the world to legalize, it doesn't seem we're hearing a lot about it here in the US, and when I was living in Canada this summer I didn't hear much discussion about it (maybe because everyone in Montreal just smokes it already regardless). For goons living in Canada, has next year's legalization been huge news or not? Speaking of which, though I've been following this topic for several years, it occurred to me recently that I hadn't heard much about Cannabis in Uruguay in a while, despite their legalizing in 2013. Turns out that they *really* slow-rolled the process; private and club cultivation got sorted out in 2014, but it took them about 43 months to actually figure out commercial sales. Net result in Uruguay since summer 2017: -- If you're an Uruguayan and over 18, you can register with the government as a cannabis consumer. -- As a registered consumer you can go to one of the 16 pharmacies in the country authorized to sell cannabis. -- Each pharmacy sells two standardized products provided by government cultivators: "Alfa 1" and "Beta 1", both under 15% THC -- Packages of weed are standardized at 5g, costing US$6.50. -- Registered consumers have to sign in with a thumbprint, and can buy 10g per week, with a max possession of 40g/mo. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/19/uruguay-marijuana-sale-pharmacies So pretty unlike the "Starbucks of Weed" that you see in US legal states, and more of a Soylent Green utilitarian model. Also I'd imagine that at 16 pharmacies for 3.4 million people, that's well under US ratios. Denver for example is 650,000 people and has 150 dispensaries. If I had to make a guess, I'd say that people are just sticking with the black market rather than mess with the pharmacies, since there are barely 5,000 people registered as consumers (I don't know if that number includes private growers and club members, which would mean even fewer customers). Back when the bill was first proposed, they expected to have 70,000 consumers nationwide. Another sign that people are probably sticking with the gray market, is that a pharmacy interviewed for the article remarked that they sold 15 packets of weed in their first hour as a dispensary, which sounds pretty underwhelming. In whatever case, legal weed doesn't appear to have turned Uruguay into a blighted hellscape, but I think Canada going full-legal will get much wider attention. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Cicero posted:That sounds like a pretty bad and dumb setup. Considering that 2/3 of the country was opposed to the idea when the president pitched it in 2012-2013, and the new president that was elected in 2014 is an oncologist and anti-drug, I'd say it's remarkable that it happened at all. Uruguay is a really interesting case that has gotten very little attention.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Thanks for sharing that god-awful poetry. Honestly, for as much as it's a huge deal that Canada will be the second country in the world to legalize, it doesn't seem we're hearing a lot about it here in the US, and when I was living in Canada this summer I didn't hear much discussion about it (maybe because everyone in Montreal just smokes it already regardless). For goons living in Canada, has next year's legalization been huge news or not? It's huge news, I hear about it daily. Most newspapers are spreading conservative/police propaganda. "There isn't enough time to train police", "People will die", "The smell is too bad". Here's what Manitoba Public Insurance and MADD has put out for "don't weed and drive": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweCu1hBK8I Online news sources are a bit better, many people who actually want legal Cannabis to be a thing are interviewing people from Colorado and other legal states to get an idea of how the framework is going to work. Pretty much anywhere there is a Conservative provincial government they are just sitting on their hands and letting the Cannabis industry slip through their fingers. Manitoba for instance has Brian Pallister repeatedly stating there is not enough time to make any decisions. While he's not doing anything, BC is ramping up their online distribution, as of right now I can literally order weed online from BC without using any VPNs or tor browser. When Cannabis is legal all that tax revenue will be moving out of the province if they can't make it easier than going online and ordering. Also it's very shocking that I've met more than one person who wants Cannabis to be illegal because it smells bad. Do they not understand how bad of a reason that is?
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A lot of anti-cigarette legislation is probably because of that as well. No one ever has to admit that, "secondhand smoke kills" is a perfect alibi, but if it were odorless I doubt laws governing where you can smoke wouldn't be nearly as widespread, despite being more dangerous.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Thanks for sharing that god-awful poetry. Honestly, for as much as it's a huge deal that Canada will be the second country in the world to legalize, it doesn't seem we're hearing a lot about it here in the US, and when I was living in Canada this summer I didn't hear much discussion about it (maybe because everyone in Montreal just smokes it already regardless). For goons living in Canada, has next year's legalization been huge news or not? It's the transformation of a huge business from "almost no rules" (because of illegality of it) to the exact thing the current industry doesn't want - massive rules because the argument of "cannabis should be like a prescription drug" winning in the courts - and drugs are a highly regulated industry. Where as basically consumers want it treated like a pack of cigarettes - different types available at the corner store with consistency of product. A lot of what's going on now is backroom stuff which the general public doesn't see/hear/experience. So yeah, it's (IMHO) medium news at the moment, but getting much (much) larger the closer to the introduction of the new laws will be as business starts figuring out what the new boundaries are and how to make money with it and how to kick out the competition. Much of this will be analysed and then used in other markets.
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DC update: for three years now it's been legal to grow/possess/consume cannabis in Washington DC, but Congressional budget riders (since DC is run by the federal government) bar DC from spending any funds to establish a Cannabis Control Board to license commercial sales. The result is constant gray-market activity, and cops busting illegal dealers, coincidentally mostly in poor and minority neighborhoods. The rider for 2018 is in progress; the Senate version doesn't have the anti-weed clause but the House version does, so depending on how they reconcile those, DC may have stores next year. https://merryjane.com/news/new-senate-bill-could-end-ban-on-legal-cannabis-sales-in-washington-dc
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I live in Uruguay if anyone has any questions about how the system down here works. Big intro: you can either sign up to grow weed or buy it in pharmacies, but can't be in both systems at the same time. I can legally grow up to 6 plants and technically harvest 500g a year, but the 'amount' rule is not enforced at all really.
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Baka-nin posted:A Canadian Tory read an anti cannabis poem in parliament https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...source=vicefbca Reminds me of how a couple people used John Donne's "No Man is an Island" as a counter to the "my body, my business" argument for legalization. Never mind that the proper question is not whether certain people's actions affect others at all, but whether they affect others to such a degree that prohibition is in society's best interests (and in the case of cannabis, all available evidence points toward "gently caress no"). Otherwise, the logical conclusion of using that poem like that is full-blown fascism.
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Tosk posted:I live in Uruguay if anyone has any questions about how the system down here works. Big intro: you can either sign up to grow weed or buy it in pharmacies, but can't be in both systems at the same time. I can legally grow up to 6 plants and technically harvest 500g a year, but the 'amount' rule is not enforced at all really. You just answered one of my questions ré whether you can be both a self-grower and a pharmacy buyer. Thanks! Do you have any interest in helping out with the "Cannabis in Uruguay" article on either Spanish and English Wikipedia? Whether editing directly, or just pointing me at Uruguayan news sources that answer key questions. EDIT: basically by helping find fun-facts, like this article noting that even before pharmacy sales began, the illegal cannabis market had taken a 20% hit: http://www.busqueda.com.uy/nota/previo-la-venta-en-farmacias-la-ley-de-marihuana-roba-al-narcotrafico-cerca-de-20-del-mercado TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Thought y'all might enjoy this opinion piece from Zimbabwe:quote:Has anyone told the kids that Whitney Houston, the Greatest Love of All hit maker, drowned in the bathroom of a Beverly Hills hotel suite in 2012 after getting high on cocaine? Has anybody taken the time to tell the kids that Lisa Robin Kelly, the sweet and funny star of hit TV series That 70s Show, died of multiple drug intoxication in 2013? Will anyone let the kids know that that Cory Monteith, the musician and star of hit TV series Glee, died after he ingested a toxic mix of heroin and alcohol?
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Mods please change thread name to mbanje megathread
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:You just answered one of my questions ré whether you can be both a self-grower and a pharmacy buyer. Thanks! Sure, I'm interested. What kind of key questions can I help with? I would also eventually be willing to help with the Wikipedia articles for both languages, but I should read up a little more thoroughly before I do that. EDIT: I actually hadn't seen your post further up the page! I live near one of the pharmacies that sell weed. I can probably ask them anything you're curious about specifically. I would say people definitely favor the black market over pharmacy weed still; I know numerous people involved in the system (I would say that number you cited is probably just for pharmacies, and then I feel like I recall seeing the number 3000 tossed about for registered self-growers) that buy legally, but there's a common notion that the weed itself is lower quality than what you can buy on the street. There's kind of a disparity here depending on your socioeconomic status: a lot of people who don't have the cash for "cogollo," which literally means "bud," buy compressed brickweed because it's so much cheaper. I would say legalization has definitely affected the sale of that brickweed, because buying in pharmacies is cheaper, legal, and lacks the hassle of going through a dealer. Anecdotally, most of the people I know who now buy weed in pharmacies are people who used to buy brickweed. People who have the money seem to prefer to buy higher quality bud (it goes for anywhere between 85-100 for 25 grams here, which is just shy of an ounce). A LOT of people plant weed here, way more than the numbers of registered growers would imply. Police are extremely lenient about it, and the highest risk you really run when you grow illegally is that someone will steal your poo poo. My father and I grew illegally for several years, then he stopped and I decided to register because my plants are at their house. I would say that out of 20 people I know who grow weed, 5 are registered, and maybe one of them besides myself actually follows the legal restrictions about how many plants you're allowed to have etc. Tosk fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Do they sell by strain name? Is there CDB and CBN available?
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Lisa Robin Kelly, the sweet and funny star 50/200 episodes. Star?  SgtScruffy posted:Mods please change thread name to mbanje megathread
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Dmitri-9 posted:Do they sell by strain name? Is there CDB and CBN available? That ties to my question: what's the difference between Alfa 1 and Beta 1 in Uruguayan pharmacies? Is it the CBD/THC ratio, different strain, or what? I presume they're supposed to be similar quality since price is the same. Have they no interest in expanding the government options, or might there be a Gamma 1 and Delta 1 weed varieties someday? EDIT: is the brickweed generally assumed to be Paraguayan? TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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nooooo not kris kross....why must marijuana take everything I love
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:nooooo not kris kross....why must marijuana take everything I love He did one weed too many... Wikipedia posted:Thurston completed the inquest on September 28, and concluded that Hendrix aspirated his own vomit and died of asphyxia while intoxicated with barbiturates.[284] Citing "insufficient evidence of the circumstances", he declared an open verdict.[285] Dannemann later revealed that Hendrix had taken nine of her prescribed Vesparax sleeping tablets, 18 times the recommended dosage.[286] But it could've been mbanje; guess we'll never know... TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Unless you count Alpha/Beta, they don't sell by strain name. The difference is that one is indica and the other sativa dominant, although I've heard some odd-sounding numbers thrown around, that they're both at 2% THC, 7% and 6% CBD respectively. Seems off to me, but that might play into why people say that the quality is so low and only preferable to brickweed. I think I've heard about plans to bring out more varieties. I wouldn't say it's considered to literally be of Paraguayan origin, but the slang term for brickweed is "paraguayo" or "prensado" (which just means 'pressed' or 'compressed').
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Tosk posted:Unless you count Alpha/Beta, they don't sell by strain name. The difference is that one is indica and the other sativa dominant, although I've heard some odd-sounding numbers thrown around, that they're both at 2% THC, 7% and 6% CBD respectively. Seems off to me, but that might play into why people say that the quality is so low and only preferable to brickweed. Sounds like Swiss style CBD cigarettes.
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@Tosk: if you're down to help out with Uruguay weed coverage on Wikipedia, ping me on my burner account there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Goonsquad_LCpl_Mulvaney Just hit "new section" at the top of the page and type your message. You can either just post as an IP without login, or take 30 seconds and create an account (which will make it easier to collaborate). No pressure, even small efforts help. And if anyone else wants to work on weed Wikipedia coverage, just ping me at that link. Separate question: if one is buying weed in a non-legal state, is some/lot of it in commercial packaging from a legal state? Like instead of just baggies are more Idaho street dealers selling stuff bought off the shelf in Oregon and having a more credible product since it's of clear origin? Or is diverted weed/edibles repackaged for illegal sale?
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Let me kick some retro ganja knowledge: Short notice of the African Plant Diamba, commonly called Congo Tobacco; by E. O. Clarke, Esa., Surgeon and Colonial Apothecary to the Colony of Sierra Leone: communicated by the Author. (1851) quote:A story is told of its discovery by a huntsman, who observed a number of antelopes, who had browsed upon the Diamba, to be stupified; and having informed his neighbours of the extraordinary circumstance, they repaired in a body to the spot. The approach of the people, or firing of their muskets, had, however, no effect in rousing the animals to a sense of their danger, and accordingly they were all quickly despatched. I'll be an old for a moment and mention it still blows my mind that I can just pull up on my phone entire 1851 botany journals and instantly see where they mention cannabis. I can't imagine how many months of research it used to take to manually go through books trying to find mentions of things. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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quote:most agreeable sensations soon follow, and excitement displays itself in hearty bursts of laughter, loud exclamations, droll exhilarating conversation Wanna hear that 1850s stoner chat. 
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WampaLord posted:Wanna hear that 1850s stoner chat. How many times are you willing to hear the antelope story over and over?
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Let me kick some retro ganja knowledge: kind of strange to see it referred to like this, the western world first written record of cannabis usage dates back to 500 BC
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:kind of strange to see it referred to like this, the western world first written record of cannabis usage dates back to 500 BC Are you referring to Herodotus describing the Scythians?
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Exactly what do you guys think the burning bush was in the Bible. Seems pretty clear to me...
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Rhymenoserous posted:Exactly what do you guys think the burning bush was in the Bible. Seems pretty clear to me... It was a literal burning bush because there are actual bushes out there that essentially coat themselves in kerosene for the hot summer months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictamnus
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Are you referring to Herodotus describing the Scythians? yes, pretty sure that's the earliest written record outside india and china
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This just happened this week and I haven't seen it mentioned in international media, but apparently Norway is pulling a Portugal and decriminalizing (*not* legalizing) all drugs: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/rusmidler/historisk-i-stortinget-slutt-paa-straff-for-rusmisbrukere/a/24209948/gTranslate posted:Drug use should no longer be punished, but treated. The majority in the Storting now makes a historic transformation of Norwegian drug policy, and will transfer responsibility from Justis to health.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:yes, pretty sure that's the earliest written record outside india and china Right, but up until the modern era evidence of psychoactive use of cannabis is somewhat uncommon in Europe, no? In the same way a British guy is finding it novel in Sierra Leone in the mid-1800s, at the start of the 1800s the French troops in Egypt were pretty blown away by the weed down there. I'm not saying that nobody in Europe smoked/ate weed, just that they did a lot of low-THC hemp farming and not a lot of smoking it, and once the habit started to filter into Europe from the Islamic world and from India in the 1800s, it was seen as really novel.
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Mr. Nice! posted:It was a literal burning bush because there are actual bushes out there that essentially coat themselves in kerosene for the hot summer months. That's a very hostile plant: mildly poisonous, occasionally catches fire. XP: 20.
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Ghana also in the running for potentially decriminalizing all drugs: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2017-08-09-west-africa-reform-agenda-looks-to-decriminalise-drug-use/#.WjO3sEtG2T8
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Is anyone here proficient in German? I'm trying to flesh out Cannabis in Austria, and trying to find GoogleNews hits to establish two facts: -- Cannabis was decriminalized in Austria around 2015-2016? -- It's legal to have clones and cuttings in Austria if you aren't using them for narcotics? (Leafly has a write-up on this but I'd like to find a mainstream news article to substantiate)
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If anyone is reasonably good at The Twitter, I'm a total novice but want to set up an account to do weed advocacy. If you have Twitter skills and wouldn't mind answering some noob questions about getting started, shoot me a PM.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Is anyone here proficient in German? I'm trying to flesh out Cannabis in Austria, and trying to find GoogleNews hits to establish two facts: Owning less than 20g of THC was decriminalised in Austria with the start of the year 2016. Before that date, police had to file charges against owners of any amount, but proceedings were usually stopped early on if the amount was small. Now the police is asked to report the drug use to public health authorities, who then reviews the case and might mandate therapy. If people resist this they can be charged under the old law and even might be charged for merely consuming which wasn't prosecuted at all before. It is technically legal to own and raise plants with a THC content of less than 0.3% and if it is raised for an intent different than creating drugs, but in reality police will try to charge you most of the time if they find plants. So conclusively the situation hasn't really improved a lot, but the law is now expecting authorities to prefer therapy over punishment.
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