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anime was right posted:im not strongly in favor of 1 button or 2 button throw if there's a good reason behind it (instant throws are better on a single button, for example, and startup throws are better on 2 buttons) but its the dumbest hill to die on for either side so youre saying one button throws have better priority?
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Doesn't "shimmy" only work because of the option to throw-tech? So doesn't this add a layer to pressure? More guesses means more interplay, at least when we're not talking about OS.
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SleepySonata posted:Doesn't "shimmy" only work because of the option to throw-tech? So doesn't this add a layer to pressure? More guesses means more interplay, at least when we're not talking about OS. You can still shimmy in games without throw teching, you just blow up a normal meant to interrupt your throw instead
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anime was right posted:all of things are "tend" because they're deliberate choices by the developer.. the only thing that two button throws are bad for is startup and that honestly depends on the style of game ur making. yea thats why i put tend in there, but its a commonality among most 2-button throw games and 2 button throws are stupid. you can totally get close versions of throw buttons on demand, just dont hold left or right or have the opponent be in a throwable state. eh and its rare to see big punish combos in a game like kof, which tend to start with close c (which you also throw with), accidentally end up with grabs and thats probably the most common example the close version of your 6c/4c normal in a game where c is throw is just, well its your throw also like in blazblue i hate the mixup with barrier+throw and throw reject miss its so loving stupid this game is so bad SleepySonata posted:Doesn't "shimmy" only work because of the option to throw-tech? So doesn't this add a layer to pressure? More guesses means more interplay, at least when we're not talking about OS. shimmy was a thing before gootecks made it a meme, in games without low tech, but it became a meme because people were mashing the poo poo out of low tech since its a strong option select edit: also i dont really care that much about 2 button throws, they just tend to be present in games that suck. those thing i posted were just the poo poo people say about 2 button throws. learning about 2 button throws in a games development cycle can be like a canary in a coalmine tho, but how they pan out really depends on all the weird hacked together poo poo the dev has to do to fix all the "problems" with 2-button throws while maintaining "accessibility" that allows for input slop Zand fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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blazblue is extremely good and cf 1.01 is probably better then xrd
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RevolverDivider posted:blazblue is extremely good and cf 1.01 is probably better then xrd eh
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xrd matches are the perfect length bb goes too long for me. visually and in terms of music theres no contest. Bb still cool though
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RevolverDivider posted:blazblue is extremely good and cf 1.01 is probably better then xrd better in balance? or better in being a fun game, to play?
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Balance is bad
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its not bad. but its often overrated.
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Intentional balance then. If it happens by accident making the most fun crazy game possible then ok
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HnK has both 1 and 2 button throws so it is obviously the best
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Flinger posted:HnK has both 1 and 2 button throws so it is obviously the best iirc the 2 button variety are just unblockable mid hitting moves that are beat by crouching and have huge amounts of startup
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Zand posted:iirc the 2 button variety are just unblockable mid hitting moves that are beat by crouching and have huge amounts of startup in tekken that's called a throw
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By being bad and pressing buttons constantly I tech half the throws I get hit with in Tekken completely unintentionally. E:un* CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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CRISPYBABY posted:By being bad and pressing buttons constantly I tech half the throws I get hit with in Tekken completely intentionally. Yup
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Jack Trades posted:Even in like ST, if I remember right, there was a Vega combo that would result in a throw and you doing less damage if you were a little bit too close when doing it. There are no combos in ST that end with a throw what the gently caress are you smoking
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Pomp posted:what loving combos are you starting with close range 6h i'm here to play jam as stupidly as possible
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Slayer has normals besides 6hs?
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"games with two-button throws are bad" i heard someone talkin' poo poo about melty and this will. not stand. There's gonna be an elusive Local this Saturday and I'm probably gonna skip it because of personal responsabilities. That sucks.
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Real hurthling! posted:Slayer has normals besides 6hs? Not in Fantasy Strike he doesn't
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if you just macro the throw buttons to a single button on a pad then it becomes a 1 button throw game thinking_man.png
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mysterious loyall X posted:i'm here to play jam as stupidly as possible Slide into throw is fun as hell though.
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Zand posted:edit: also i dont really care that much about 2 button throws, they just tend to be present in games that suck. I enjoy reading diehard genre fans get all analytical on poo poo, and this comment has me curious what your criticisms for Tekken 7 are.
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brainSnakes posted:I enjoy reading diehard genre fans get all analytical on poo poo, and this comment has me curious what your criticisms for Tekken 7 are. not enough costume pieces really i dont know poo poo about tekken i just know what other diehard people said which is that movement is pretty nerfed since the old games. but tbh everyone plays and loves tekken and its fun enough to me Zand fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Haven't played a game as mash friendly as tekken since.... VF?
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SleepySonata posted:Haven't played a game as mash friendly as tekken since.... VF? I think the 3d subgenre is just more mash friendly than most 2d games are.
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Dec 4, 2017 19:49
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Dunno Laura is p-much mash heavy punch/med kick and jump a lot.
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I remember the days of VOLDO GET OFF THE GROUND WHY THE gently caress ARE YOU LAYING DOWN YOU PIECE OF poo poo as I run my controller across my face.
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String based fighters are always super mash friendly and fan favourites for kids/casuals who just press buttons. I know it invented the genre but I've always been kinda amazed at the enduring casual popularity of SF while mashing in it gets you nowhere. Well, I mean mashing gets you nowhere in any game, but in Tekken/Soul Caliber/MK/Injustice it makes some cool looking moves come out at least. In SF it mostly makes you stand in place while awkwardly throwing out punches.
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SleepySonata posted:Dunno Laura is p-much mash heavy punch/med kick and jump a lot. I guess I meant getting longer combo strings and visually flashy sequences is easier when button mashing in a 3d game. Mashing with Laura is definitely effective as far as winning the match goes, but it doesn't make the person playing the game think, "Wow, I did a cool looking thing without even knowing what I'm doing" in the way that mashing with Claudio and Katarina do. Although, what looks cool/feels cool to do is entirely subjective.
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Do people that don't play fighters impressed when a masher accidentally does something cool? I always just assumed they just sorta zone out at parties etc
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CRISPYBABY posted:String based fighters are always super mash friendly and fan favourites for kids/casuals who just press buttons. I know it invented the genre but I've always been kinda amazed at the enduring casual popularity of SF while mashing in it gets you nowhere. Well, I mean mashing gets you nowhere in any game, but in Tekken/Soul Caliber/MK/Injustice it makes some cool looking moves come out at least. In SF it mostly makes you stand in place while awkwardly throwing out punches. Grandfather Rule and a bit of nostalgia - not that SF2 wasn't a good game, but people tend to be overly attached to IPs that were around when they were young. The funny thing is that no one really wants to play SF2 for that long when someone pulls it out at a party (and it's always the SNES version too), because it really isn't that rewarding to just mash around in. Same thing with MK2, my friends should stop subjecting me to MK2 that game aged baaaaaaaad.
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CRISPYBABY posted:String based fighters are always super mash friendly and fan favourites for kids/casuals who just press buttons. I know it invented the genre but I've always been kinda amazed at the enduring casual popularity of SF while mashing in it gets you nowhere. Well, I mean mashing gets you nowhere in any game, but in Tekken/Soul Caliber/MK/Injustice it makes some cool looking moves come out at least. In SF it mostly makes you stand in place while awkwardly throwing out punches. I hated 2d fighters growing up because they didn't have "combos"
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Agoat posted:Do people that don't play fighters impressed when a masher accidentally does something cool? I always just assumed they just sorta zone out at parties etc People churning butter and mashing while they play are lucky to get a special in SF and mostly sit there whiffing normals. In Tekken or Soul Calibur have a chance to get like a 3 hit combo with cool hitsparks and knock the person down or in the air, and that's much more rewarding for the player.
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Pomp posted:I hated 2d fighters growing up because they didn't have "combos" Same. What's a link????????
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I like Guilty Gear because I don't have to time most of my moves I can just poo poo that stuff out as fast as possible and it usually works the further I stray from gatling combos the worse I get
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Crocoswine posted:I like Guilty Gear because I don't have to time most of my moves I can just poo poo that stuff out as fast as possible and it usually works I like to see the move i pushed happen before i push other buttons so i play the link characters in xrd
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KOF upsets me because I actually have to time my jump-ins and low confirms and generally be competent.
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RevolverDivider posted:blazblue is extremely good and cf 1.01 is probably better then xrd Nope
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