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Don't know, don't you understand? If you give people who already have a ton of money even more money it'll help the economy because they all want to invest in some way that will magically help the United States. You see every single business wants to expand. That's right, there are no businesses that don't want to expand or simply incapable of doing so for reasons related to logistics, personnel, a lack of suitability for new locations for new franchises (if applicable) or anything like that. Like take Apple for instance, they made 50 billion dollars and I want to say 2015? Obviously if they need an extra five billion, they couldn't get a lender to give it to them to expand for some reason so we need to get them a massive tax break.
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a neat cape posted:is CVS buying Aetna good or bad If you can find me an instance of one giant company buying another ending up being good for ordinary people I'll concede that it could be good.
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Quiet Feet posted:If you can find me an instance of one giant company buying another ending up being good for ordinary people I'll concede that it could be good. Fair. I have Aetna so right now I'm like hmmm. Also I'm not really smart so I come to you smart people for analysis
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a neat cape posted:I have Aetna so right now I'm like hmmm. Might be short term good for you, but almost certainly long term bad as I understand it.
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Grittybeard posted:Might be short term good for you, but almost certainly long term bad as I understand it. Amazon does cool poo poo
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The Big Jesus posted:Amazon does cool poo poo Ehhhh
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Jeff Bezos looks like a super villain and his company owns all kinds of information about you.
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The Big Jesus posted:Amazon does cool poo poo So long as you don't work in their warehouses. Plus I wonder how they'll change if they ever manage to actually successfully gain a monopoly in any industry. It'll 100% be bad for consumers.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Jeff Bezos looks like a super villain and his company owns all kinds of information about you. Google and Facebook probably know more about us than Amazon.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:So long as you don't work in their warehouses. I know some people who work in one of the warehouses and they say it isn't a bad gig
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The Big Jesus posted:I know some people who work in one of the warehouses and they say it isn't a bad gig Are they a masochist?
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Amazon has the same evil business model as Uber, but they're less obnoxious about it. The importance of anti-monopoly enforcement does seem to be bubbling through the Democratic braintrust, so there may be a little hope there.
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seiferguy posted:Google and Facebook probably know more about us than Amazon. Why do you think Google tried making a social network?
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The Big Jesus posted:I know some people who work in one of the warehouses and they say it isn't a bad gig It depends. I met plenty of people who got along just fine, my problem with it is that as a model for labor management it's loving horrifying. Every job has a "rate" metric they have to meet or they get fired. Rate is essentially a productivity metric measuring how fast an employee is packing shipments or finding items for a shipment. Some will also have quality metrics. Everything centers around making rate. Lunches and breaks are decided for you based on your section and shift. The breaks start when you badge out in the system, same with lunch. Any deviation of more than a minute on either side gets you written up. The break rooms and lunch room can be a ~ 5 - 10 min walk from where you're working since the warehouses are enormous. That time getting back and forth counts towards your break/lunch or it damages your rate. Oh and you have to go through metal detectors to get to the lunch room or out to your car. It feels like someone took a caricature of factory jobs in the 50's, married them with modern tracking and metrics and leveraged them to squeeze every ounce of blood out of a person. They genuinely view labor as something to be optimized, and then optimized some more. Of course there's a ton of system gaming going on to the point where the workers and managers view each other as opposition. The managers are always bitching about those lazy loving workers (these are all crazy exhausting back breaking jobs, it's impossible to be lazy and do them) and the workers are always talking about what "management" is going to do next. It's loving terrifying. Other fun tidbits that drove me crazy: They are ruthless about firing people for not making rate, but is there a reward for exemplary work? Nopeeeeeeeeeeee. The truly great people, the ones who are lightning fast to the point that it boggles the mind just work crazy hard for the first half of a shift and then coast. They're all desperate for better pay so you'd think they'd have a tiered bonus structure for meeting higher and higher rates but nope. It's an entire system built to be punitive. Every time I piloted something that I said would have ongoing bonuses attached to it I'd get laughed at by both management and the hyper cynical work force. Oh and even better, they push the rate of a section up based on previous quarter's average rate. If 90% are hitting 53 on average and current rate is 50, guess what it's going to be next month? It never goes down. The use one loving metric. ONE! They have goddamn mountains of data but only hold the labor and the management to single metrics. Guess how well unscrupulous people did in that system? Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Quiet Feet posted:If you can find me an instance of one giant company buying another ending up being good for ordinary people I'll concede that it could be good. WWE bought WCW and allowed us to have a 95% complete back tape library of wrestling. Other than that 
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Every job has a "rate" metric they have to meet or they get fired.... Jesus christ, that's the exact literal opposite of how I roll. My team gets rewarded for a job well done often—pretty much weekly. Nobody misses deadlines...because they're pretty happy to be at work, so often they don't even notice they've passed in assignments super early, they just want to share it, use the extra time to get me to teach them poo poo and use their microbonuses for stuff. I don't look at the clock or give them poo poo for being a few minutes late because everyone exceeds expectations. Hell, one guy, once fell behind a day and he put in the hours for catch up to get his poo poo done only a day late. I've not once chastised them or put the hammer down because I don't have to. They're motivated and kept that way with a supportive and healthy work environment. We doubled (!!!) our traffic y/y this Nov. and I fully attribute it to the amount of self-improvement each person has been able to accomplish while we've been together. This week I was brought in to mediate other departments I don't run and it's been... disheartening to see what a metric-only approach does to a team 
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CannonFodder posted:I've read several of his books, and I have 1Q84 and it is staring me in the face but it's so loving big. I'm scared It’s not an especially daunting book, but the translation is not great so it reads kind of dry.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:It depends. I met plenty of people who got along just fine, my problem with it is that as a model for labor management it's loving horrifying. I feel like you just described a lot of jobs, unfortunately. I did customer service for UPS when I was 20 and it was just like this but a call center instead of warehouse work.
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Ehud posted:I feel like you just described a lot of jobs, unfortunately. I got fired 3 days out of training at a call center once because an elderly customer needed me to talk slowly and wait for her to fully read any on screen instructions and the call made my average time for the rolling 3 day period go 2 seconds over the mandated limit.
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Intruder posted:Do they think that rich people are going to stop wanting to be rich if they're being taxed extra? I have had family members who have argued that exact thing to my idea of add a tax bracket at 10 mil a year that is 75%. "If you increase taxes there is no reason to try for more!" At 10 million loving dollars a year.
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A lot of companies don't understand the concept of positive reinforcement and it's really sad. I think the last time anyone at my company said that I did a good job with something was six months ago when lunch delivery for another department on my floor fell through and I offered to walk down the street and pick up their lunches up for them  My last employer wasn't perfect by any measure but they did quarterly peer recognition awards and if you got nominated for and made the cut or whatever you got a $100 Visa gift card. Got an award for volunteering last-minute to give a company tour and bought my blender with the prize. And I gave much more of a poo poo at that job compared to my current job, even if you factor out the free $100. I'm a simple man, I just want to be told that I did a good job at something!
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My company is hit or miss. For example, when we were in a crisis mode with a project most of my team got pulled into emergency meetings and I was given literally every customer support issue to deal with by myself because they were otherwise occupied in addition to my normal development tasks for which I was expected to keep to my schedule. They got monetary rewards for the extra work put into that project, I got nothing
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OxySnake posted:I have had family members who have argued that exact thing to my idea of add a tax bracket at 10 mil a year that is 75%. yeah, that argument against progressive taxation a.) fundamentally misconstrues how it works and b.) effectively taxes a person of 100% of their potential income. reagan used to use that line all the time. he claimed once he hit a certain amount earned he stopped working every year. its bullshit because of course that's not how progressive taxation works, and he was contract anyway.
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There are literally people who I've worked with who turned down raises to avoid being put in a higher tax bracket because they didn't understand that all the money they made up until reaching that bracket was taxed the same as anyone else in those income ranges
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Weird, this dude spent decades abusing women: Intruder posted:There are literally people who I've worked with who turned down raises to avoid being put in a higher tax bracket because they didn't understand that all the money they made up until reaching that bracket was taxed the same as anyone else in those income ranges I find that so unbelievable, because the first time they mentioned it to anyone not retarded they'd be so embarrassed they'd kill themselves.
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Capitalism is a disease
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Hot Diggity! posted:Capitalism is a disease https://twitter.com/tinycartridge/status/937194927997538305
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Hot Diggity! posted:Capitalism is a disease Capitalism owns. America just sucks at it.
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Nah America is the best at it, it's just pure unfiltered capitalism is designed to be soul crushing.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Jeff Bezos looks like a super villain and his company owns all kinds of information about you. He wants to install microphones in every one's home and is now asking everyone to give him the keys to their front door, and people are just like "what an amazing idea for a business model."
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CharlestheHammer posted:Nah America is the best at it, it's just pure unfiltered capitalism is designed to be soul crushing. True capitalism has never been tried.
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The gilded age, is probably the closest. Though it gets worse the closer you get so the distinction is more academic.
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BlindSite posted:True capitalism has never been tried. Sealand?
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There's probably an alien civilization out there that actually is purely capitalist but it works because they aren't a bunch of natural assholes.
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Bill Trinen has owned ever since that weird as gently caress Tomodachi Life trailer he was in.
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Sometimes I want to buy a Jeep It seems like a fun vehicle if you enjoy mods and working on your vehicle Anyone here ever own a Jeep Please advise
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Ehud posted:Sometimes I want to buy a Jeep My friend has one and it is a neverending money pit and it feels like a pile of garbage plastic on a nice suspension Also he was taking forever to unlock it one time so I grabbed it by the roofrack and started shaking it like a hungry bear and he got really upset
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