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FoldableHuman posted:I'm also enjoying this little round of "key character dies? Slipknot?" but no, not Slipknot. I remember hearing rumors that Rick Flag dies in an earlier cut of the film. Edit: Got beat to it
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I'm down with Sony buying Fox if it means getting an adaptation of Spider-Man and the X-Men
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:https://www.newsarama.com/37600-fox-sale-picking-up-steam-with-disney-comcast-top-suitors-report.html I like how just in case you weren't sure if this was pure evil or not now loving Comcast is involved
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FoldableHuman posted:I'm also enjoying this little round of "key character dies? Slipknot?" but no, not Slipknot. Yeah, I know not Slipknot, because not a key character and we see him die. Who then?
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It is kind of weird how a movie named Suicide Squad ended up having vastly fewer character deaths than a Star Wars movie in the same year.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I'm down with Sony buying Fox if it means getting an adaptation of Spider-Man and the X-Men Huge mega-corps are bad. Monopolies are bad.
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Conal Cochran posted:I remember hearing rumors that Rick Flag dies in an earlier cut of the film. I mentioned this a few pages ago, but the re-shoots are glaringly obvious. There's maybe 15 or 20 minutes of the movie where Kinnaman is like 25 pounds lighter, looking positively gaunt, than he is for the rest of it.
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Conal Cochran posted:I remember hearing rumors that Rick Flag dies in an earlier cut of the film. Yeah, but that can't be what FoldableHuman means by "the final film would be so confusing that even people who really liked it... would miss out on the death of a key character" since we aren't confused into missing that Flag died. He simply doesn't die and we're clearly shown that. That's not an issue with Suicide Squad's editing, so I'm still curious who he's talking about.
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FoldableHuman posted:Squad's editing is a direct consequence of a directionless franchise plan that tried to fast-track projects with the conflicting goals of both catching up to Marvel's CU and delivering a boutique Auteur product a la The Dark Knight. They hired "dark auteur" David Ayer to write + direct and then gave him a timetable better suited to a "crank it out and get it done" for-hire director. With six weeks to write, zero weeks to workshop, a hard release date, and a studio mandate to have a "big" villain, the end result was an almost four hour grind of character introductions (my sources in the studio have confirmed that getting everyone into Belle Reve took almost two hours in the cut that was screened before WB started freaking out), a thin plot, and a fight against an enemy that the protagonists had no business confronting. That's pretty fascinating. I hear the DC exec shakeup happened pre Justice League, I wonder it was a result of the disappointing reception of Suicide Squad. Do you think that the fumbling on WB's end for not only Suicide Squad but most every movie in the DC-verse since The Dark Knight is a result of WB's splintered organization, compared to Marvel's uniform (post Avengers) hierarchy (Kevin Feige is da boss)?
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Shageletic posted:That's pretty fascinating. I hear the DC exec shakeup happened pre Justice League, I wonder it was a result of the disappointing reception of Suicide Squad. Were they disappointed with it's reception, though? It's pretty clear from FoldableHuman's description that they were in a blind panic during the filming & editing processes but judging from how many sequels and spinoffs they now have planned around it they can't be all that disappointed.
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Honestly, I think exec meddling shot their cinematic universe in the gut. I think if they'd gone with the extended cut (or a modified version of it) the reception to BvS would have been quite a bit better, they would have panicked less about JL and still left more creative control to Zack, who probably would have left anyways after JL was done. Meanwhile if BvS hadn't gotten a bad reception they might have been less twitchy about SS too. Pretty much none of the execs decisions have been good in regards to DCEU. That's my hot take on it. Now their best hope of salvaging it is giving the reins to Patti Jenkins and have her work her magic. WW was just a bit above average, but it's exactly the kind of average that people seem to enjoy and sells tickets.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, but that can't be what FoldableHuman means by "the final film would be so confusing that even people who really liked it... would miss out on the death of a key character" since we aren't confused into missing that Flag died. He simply doesn't die and we're clearly shown that. That's not an issue with Suicide Squad's editing, so I'm still curious who he's talking about. I'm guessing he means the security guard who gives Harley the phone.
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Shageletic posted:That's pretty fascinating. I hear the DC exec shakeup happened pre Justice League, I wonder it was a result of the disappointing reception of Suicide Squad. Yeah, the idea was that Nolan was going to be the Feige of the DCEU but no one bothered to actually get Nolan to agree to that. They just figured that if they kept greenlighting his pet projects he'd keep making DC movies, like the 1-for-1 tradeoff deal they made with him for the Batman trilogy. Then Chris went and directed half of TDKR by phone because he's out in Alberta location scouting, drops off a three page story treatment for Man of Steel, and disappears to make Interstellar and Dunkirk. The tutelage of Nolan was supposed to keep Snyder and Goyer under control, two people whose work is exponentially better the less raw power they have over the project, but the power vacuum of Nolan's absence left Snyder at first de facto in charge and then actually in charge. The problem from there is that a coherent multi-film strategy isn't Snyder's strong suit and WB wasn't super confident in their plan anyway (because they didn't have one beyond "Chris will make a money and Oscar machine and we'll all be rich and loved!"). This leads to crap like Squad's production schedule, because they weren't willing to go all in on either sticking to the Auteur route or pulling the plug on Snyder's extremely uncoordinated vision, and no one actually had a plan. Post-Squad it was apparent that despite the fact money was being made something was broken and audience goodwill was quickly burning. BvS underperformed substantially, with a severe second week dropoff, and consensus on Squad was that Margot Robbie, Will Smith, Viola Davis, and Jay Hernandez carried a trashfire of a film into hell and back through sheer force of charisma. TL;DR from there, Snyder was ad libbing a 12 part epic on why the Fortress of Solitude should be in Galt's Gulch and no one at WB knew how to wrangle that into a coherent, stable franchise. Shareholders get upset because they're three movies deep and no closer to catching Marvel, Justice League already looks like it's going to be more of the same (remember when it was supposed to be two movies?!), people get shuffled, and Kevin Tsujihara uses Snyder's absence due to tragedy as an opportunity to muscle him out of the picture almost entirely. Edit: Conal Cochran posted:I'm guessing he means the security guard who gives Harley the phone. Nope. FoldableHuman fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Conal Cochran posted:I'm guessing he means the security guard who gives Harley the phone. That's not a key character. Weird we're being left guessing rather than FoldableHuman just saying who they meant.
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Just post who you mean. This guessing game is stupid.
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Sir Kodiak posted:That's not a key character. It's equally weird that only one main character dies and yet everyone's scratching their heads, right?
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Hrm, i didn’t want to watch a stupid YouTube video so now the YouTube video has been brought to the thread in human form, great.
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FoldableHuman posted:It's equally weird that only one main character dies and yet everyone's scratching their heads, right? Well, is either Diablo or Eastwood's character
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I don't think Snyder had any plans re: the Fortress of Solitude and Galt's Gulch, unless I'm misremembering Man of Steel. I think Galt's Gulch is from a different setting entirely
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FoldableHuman posted:Yeah, the idea was that Nolan was going to be the Feige of the DCEU but no one bothered to actually get Nolan to agree to that. They just figured that if they kept greenlighting his pet projects he'd keep making DC movies, like the 1-for-1 tradeoff deal they made with him for the Batman trilogy. Then Chris went and directed half of TDKR by phone because he's out in Alberta location scouting, drops off a three page story treatment for Man of Steel, and disappears to make Interstellar and Dunkirk. The tutelage of Nolan was supposed to keep Snyder and Goyer under control, two people whose work is exponentially better the less raw power they have over the project, but the power vacuum of Nolan's absence left Snyder at first de facto in charge and then actually in charge. The problem from there is that a coherent multi-film strategy isn't Snyder's strong suit and WB wasn't super confident in their plan anyway (because they didn't have one beyond "Chris will make a money and Oscar machine and we'll all be rich and loved!"). This leads to crap like Squad's production schedule, because they weren't willing to go all in on either sticking to the Auteur route or pulling the plug on Snyder's extremely uncoordinated vision, and no one actually had a plan. This feels like fan-fiction from AICN.
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FoldableHuman posted:It's equally weird that only one main character dies and yet everyone's scratching their heads, right? So you mean El Diablo, who clearly dies in the explosion that took out Incubus 
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There's no fortress of solitude in Man of Steel. The scout ship can be considered a stand-in but Superman doesn't have that place in this canon. It's why he goes for his walkabout in Batman v Superman.
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Jimbot posted:There's no fortress of solitude in Man of Steel. The scout ship can be considered a stand-in but Superman doesn't have that place in this canon. It's why he goes for his walkabout in Batman v Superman. Hmm. Foldable Human's claims are looking more and more suspect as the evidence comes in...
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I actually half-expected that the scout ship would become that, since Clark talks with his biological father's ghost in the same way he did in the Donner film but then Zod comes in and ruins everything. What a jerk! Typical rear end in a top hat. He didn't like where the argument was going so he just deleted the person who was debating with. He should have gave up this world destruction crap and became a liberal commentator on twitter.
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FoldableHuman's post about bad editing is the perfect example of the sort of nonsense you see about these movies when someone bothers to post details: to the limited extent that it addresses something that is actually editing, it doesn't actually correspond to the movie. Presumably this is why most people make the wise decision to not go into detail, but just reference that someone, somewhere did once so they can't be bothered to do so now.
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The actual problem with Suicide Squad's editing is that they took the reveal that the bad guy was enchantress out of the middle/end of the movie and put it in the beginning of the movie such that we knew it despite none of the characters knowing.
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Sir Kodiak posted:FoldableHuman's post about bad editing is the perfect example of the sort of nonsense you see about these movies when someone bothers to post details: to the limited extent that it addresses something that is actually editing, it doesn't actually correspond to the movie. Nerds are ruining film, let alone critique, with their memetic hot takes.
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Dan owns. This thread is wack.
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CelticPredator posted:Dan owns. This thread is wack. As soon as you show this thread what actual critique looks like they run screaming back to sycophantic SMG-style first year film student analysis because they can't handle anything that requires reaction beyond "me too!!! this sounded smart and i think this now"
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bring back old gbs posted:sycophantic SMG-style first year film student analysis because they can't handle anything that requires reaction beyond "me too!!! this sounded smart and i think this now" Aren't these diametrically opposed actions? Sounds like dropping the YouTube video in the thread as an answer instead of even cribbing and summarizing it themselves is the epitome of this post.
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lol, "actual critique" in support of the guy whose main contributions were hiding behind a guessing game and some light fiction about the inner working of a studio.
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CelticPredator posted:Dan owns. This thread is wack. Who is Dan?
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bring back old gbs posted:As soon as you show this thread what actual critique looks like they run screaming back to sycophantic SMG-style first year film student analysis because they can't handle anything that requires reaction beyond "me too!!! this sounded smart and i think this now"
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the rarely-seen position where critiquing a movie is good but being a film student is bad
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Brother Entropy posted:the rarely-seen position where critiquing a movie is good but being a film student is bad I think you'll find the important thing here is that bbog agrees with the fellow therefor he is smart and other people are stupid
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Therefore it is best to critique student films
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Were they disappointed with it's reception, though? It's pretty clear from FoldableHuman's description that they were in a blind panic during the filming & editing processes but judging from how many sequels and spinoffs they now have planned around it they can't be all that disappointed. Who knows exactly what is going on. But it seems logical to me that in a realm not governed by actual profits and losses, but rather a horse race deciding whose shares go higher in basically a duopoly, the appearance of losing can be deeply affecting. And the narrative is that Marvel is very much ahead. So the scramble for related properties might just be a Sony like panic for Aunt May related projects a couple years back. I mean, in the end all these movies make bank but I think for a lot of dumb reasons primacy counts. Timby posted:This feels like fan-fiction from AICN. It might not be the truth, but good god its a relief from the constant Synder wars in here.
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In still trying to understand that post. Say what you want, smg is at least putting in work making their theories "work" with in the context of the film. The act of pulling a relevant zizek quote for their, at worst, off topic ramblings, is more work and thought than movie bobs entire channel.
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Guy A. Person posted:I think you'll find the important thing here is that bbog agrees with the fellow therefor he is smart and other people are stupid He is the Porg to CelticPredator's Episode VIII-esque recursion.
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