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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




TyroneGoldstein posted:

When you say gently caress up intermodal do you mean like a TEU gets put on a wrong train or something?

There are interchanges between different modes. Different modes have different regulatory requirements. Let's take a three mode haz shipment as an example. The shipper chooses a freight forwarder. The freight forwarder picks a trucking company to stuff the container and placard it. Door to door that would be the end of things until the destination.

But in intermodal it isnt. At the rail interchange the railroad doesn't like the locations of the placards ( they have requirements as to where they need to be to be visible) so they get moved (couple hundred bucks). Rest of the rail goes smoothly. The drayage driver from the rail terminal to the marine doesn't have haz credentials. So he strips the placards off (illegally or legally) and takes it to the container gate. In the container terminal it gets inspected by a surveyor for the shipping line, he finds oh poo poo nothing is secured and it doesn't have placards. More gste fees. Now the shipper /freight forwarder has a big problem. They have to get the container restuffed a thousand miles away from thier facility. This might even happen in a foreign country.

Another way to say all this is that intermodal shipments get looked at, at interchanges, by surveyors regulators, etc. Door to door unless it gets stopped on the roads, nobody really looks at. Basically shipper can get away with a lot more bullshit, or even illegality door to door. They eventually get burnt intermodal if they do dumb things

Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 18, 2017

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RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Brandor, I heard a talk by a CSUCI professor about jobs and the transportation industry. So now I'm reading your posts in her voice. Like, her angrily yelling "drayage you stupid idiots" at a class of freshmen.

Edit: The message was that the job market sucks for employees who often take on debt to get crap jobs. Like, no benefits or protection from a union and the constant threat of having jobs automated away, hours cut, etc.

At one point she showed the infamous McDonald's sample budget that required a second job, allowed $20 for health insurance, and had food omitted from the budget. So of course an old guy complained about college students with degrees in basket weaving being too proud to work at McDonalds.

RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Nov 18, 2017

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




RandomPauI posted:

Edit: The message was that the job market sucks for employees who often take on debt to get crap jobs. Like, no benefits or protection from a union and the constant threat of having jobs automated away, hours cut, etc.

Some of these drayage truckers are waiting in line outside terminals the night before because of gate delays. Like to the point of they live in thier trucks. They don't make much either. I don't think it's going to get better.

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Magius1337est posted:

so now that energy efficiency doesn't matter, what's the largest electric suv can you build?

Energy efficiency arguably matters more for an electric passenger vehicle than one with an ICE. An inefficient electric vehicle will either be expensive due to needing more batteries, have poor range, or both.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Morbus posted:

Energy efficiency arguably matters more for an electric passenger vehicle than one with an ICE. An inefficient electric vehicle will either be expensive due to needing more batteries, have poor range, or both.

A Ford Flex SEL gets 18mpg and has a 19 gallon gas tank. People that buy giant suvs don't care about stuff like range or efficiency.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Interesting piece on viewing the Tesla Semi announcement by someone with some trucking experience:

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/19/tesla-semi-trucker-questions/

ElCondemn
Aug 7, 2005


Rastor posted:

Interesting piece on viewing the Tesla Semi announcement by someone with some trucking experience:

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/19/tesla-semi-trucker-questions/

I think this person doesn’t trust or understand cameras and sensors.

The parts about logistics and usage make sense though.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Phone posting.

There's been significant progress in "soft robotics". A university made flexible robot arms using a plastic bag as a skin and plastic or foam oragami as a skeleton.

They're less precise than conventional robot arms, but they can also grab irregular shapes and weigh much less.

...

Soft robot muscles can lift 1,000 times their own weight

https://search.app.goo.gl/jk6X

Shared from my Google feed

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

ElCondemn posted:

I think this person doesn’t trust or understand cameras and sensors.

The parts about logistics and usage make sense though.

The Chevy Bolt has an interesting system where it combines all the camera data into a single overhead surround view as though you had a drone floating above your car.

1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

Rastor posted:

The Chevy Bolt has an interesting system where it combines all the camera data into a single overhead surround view as though you had a drone floating above your car.

It’s similar to what’s in the Camry and Rogue. Both of those also have sonar blind spot warnings as well which can detect approximately how close an obstacle is. You’d need to add something to the trailers to support true 360 degree coverage but I could see it making sense as a part of an overall risk management strategy where they can also serve as motion detecting security cameras.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Here's video of the soft muscles in action. It's not as sexy as self driving cars, but they're coming close enough to be able to do jobs humans still do by hand. Like picking fruit.

https://vimeo.com/241349581

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

1337JiveTurkey posted:

It’s similar to what’s in the Camry and Rogue. Both of those also have sonar blind spot warnings as well which can detect approximately how close an obstacle is. You’d need to add something to the trailers to support true 360 degree coverage but I could see it making sense as a part of an overall risk management strategy where they can also serve as motion detecting security cameras.

On long road trips, it's kind of funny* to slightly move forward and back to trigger the little light in the mirror of the person next to you. Just nudging your cruise control up or down a bit often does the trick.

*As conditions permit, obviously.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
More of everybody's favorite, self-driving car news!

quote:

GM says it will have a ride-sharing service featuring its line of self-driving Chevy Bolts ready to go by 2019. That would place the No. 1 US automaker ahead of its main rival Ford, which has said it plans to unveil its own self-driving car without pedals or a steering wheel by 2021.

GM’s top executives made the announcement today during a call with investors. The company recently allowed reporters to take rides in its autonomous test cars through the congested streets of San Francisco. Most reported that the car handled most situations proficiently, with a few hiccups.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/30/16720776/gm-cruise-self-driving-taxi-launch-2019

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
Today I was in a Target that was 100% self-checkout. It was weird.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

quote:

Acting on a tip, Section 9 breaks up a cabal of thieves hell-bent on wrecking a Japanese financial institution. Shortly after the raid, a Chinese intelligence official contacts Section 9 and informs them of suspicious activity that he believes may indicate an assassination attempt by Chinese Socialists on a prominent, yet reclusive, Japanese multi-millionaire named Kanemoto Yokose. Section 9 is therefore tasked with protecting Yokose, a 56-year-old ex-mathematician who has amassed a fortune by playing the stock market. Section 9 and the assassin arrive at the mansion within minutes of each other, but after reaching Yokose's bedroom both sides make an unexpected discovery: Yokose has actually been long dead, the reason people believed he was still alive being his automated financial program that continued to manage his investments.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
And the algorithm is sentient/sapient enough to hack Togusa's wife's day trading account to improve her stock picks as a way to say thanks.

The GITS series was great.

oliveoil
Apr 22, 2016

Feral Integral posted:

I guess a scenario where rich people own all the poo poo and charge rent for poor people to use it?

No, a scenario where rich people own all the poo poo and poor people are dead.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
If that turns out to be the case they will need to invent poor-people-robots to have something to feel superior to.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

It went without saying the few poor people who survive will be privileged to work as servants

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
10 PRINT "Please sir, may I have some more?"
20 PRINT "Ow! Thank you for hitting me!"
30 GOTO 10

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Mozi posted:

If that turns out to be the case they will need to invent poor-people-robots to have something to feel superior to.

You say this ironically, but you are into something. For many people with power success is meaningless if theres not somebody lossing. They need somebody to lose to feel they are winning. They are validated by having somewhere suffering. Is horrible that people like this exist.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Didn't some people in this thread argue that autonomous cars are still decades away? Because rain and snow, and because proof of concept is far from actual product on the market? And the thread is only a year old!

Not sure, maybe it was another SA thread and more than a year ago but in any case this poo poo is coming fast.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Doctor Malaver posted:

On the topic of creepy videos, I don't agree with the author dismissing without hesitation human supervision. I bet a dozen curators working full time would make a difference. You don't need to ban 100% of creepy videos, you just need to ban and keep banning enough of them to make it unprofitable for producers. Or to make them raise the quality / reduce the creepiness of their work. A dozen wouldn't do? Then hire more and don't try telling us that you can't afford them.

Google to hire thousands of moderators after outcry over YouTube abuse videos

Goon's outcry heard by Google

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Doctor Malaver posted:

Didn't some people in this thread argue that autonomous cars are still decades away? Because rain and snow, and because proof of concept is far from actual product on the market? And the thread is only a year old!

Not sure, maybe it was another SA thread and more than a year ago but in any case this poo poo is coming fast.
It's been mostly in the unicorn thread, but yes within the last couple years there were goons insisting (and I think some still insist) that full self-driving is decades away.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Tei posted:

You say this ironically, but you are into something. For many people with power success is meaningless if theres not somebody lossing. They need somebody to lose to feel they are winning. They are validated by having somewhere suffering. Is horrible that people like this exist.

Unfortunately I wasn't completely joking; it seems pretty clear to me that the desire to have a class of people to feel naturally over to is a fairly universal need for most humans.

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
GM has been promising self-driving cars since the 1950s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2iRDYnzwtk

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
Yes, and we're finally close-ish to having them.

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
could someone automate the self driving car derails?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/16737224/global-ai-talent-shortfall-tencent-report

quote:

According to the study, compiled by the Tencent Research Institute, there are just 300,000 “AI researchers and practitioners” worldwide, but the “market demand” is for millions of roles.

These are unavoidably speculative figures, and the study does not offer much detail on how they were reached, but as a general trend they fit with other, more anecdotal reports. Around the world, tech giants regularly complain about the difficulty hiring AI engineers, and the demand has pushed salaries to absurd heights. Individuals with just a few year’s experience can expect base pay of between $300,000 and $500,000 a year, says The New York Times, while the very best will collect millions. One independent AI lab told the publication that there were only 10,000 individuals worldwide with the right skills to spearhead serious new AI projects.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Tasmantor posted:

could someone automate the self driving car derails?

How is discussing automated cars a derail from discussing automation?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

A self-driving train could still be a derail.






With poor track maintenance or something.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Rastor posted:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/16737224/global-ai-talent-shortfall-tencent-report

10,000 individuals worldwide with the right skills to spearhead serious new AI projects.

I genuinely doubt there are 10,000 new AI projects. For everything else, a subset of the skills required to actually spearhead a new project are more desirable than a bunch of aggressive management prima donnas.

Just another case of industry wildly inflating the number of positions they would actually like to fill.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Depends on your definition of AI doesn't it? If AI includes everything from image classifiers to AlphaGo and everything in between, 10,000 new projects sounds like a low number.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

LLSix posted:

I genuinely doubt there are 10,000 new AI projects. For everything else, a subset of the skills required to actually spearhead a new project are more desirable than a bunch of aggressive management prima donnas.

Just another case of industry wildly inflating the number of positions they would actually like to fill.

They don't mean "AI projects", they mean projects to solve some business problem / automate some process with AI. And there are orders of magnitude more of those than 10,000.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Doctor Malaver posted:

How is discussing automated cars a derail from discussing automation?

It's on the OP.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Rastor posted:

They don't mean "AI projects", they mean projects to solve some business problem / automate some process with AI. And there are orders of magnitude more of those than 10,000.

Yeah. In my company that's in an unrelated field (publishing) and has a small in-house development team, the boss already inquired about solving an issue with AI.

Slavvy posted:

It's on the OP.

Well nobody is, to quote the OP, "mad about automated cars!!". The developments in that area get a mention because they have wide social consequences and also interest a lot of posters in the thread, so... :shrug:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Ok I see. No the problem is you've missed the uncounted times when goons get bizarrely angry about, and invested in arguing about, self driving cars. To the point where it just results in massive idiotic debates about one of the less significant automation technologies as far as impact on society goes. Which is why nobody wants to talk about them.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Slavvy posted:

It's on the OP.
It's probably the most obvious example of a near-future technology annihilating large numbers of jobs, and the self-driving car thread is dead now.

Slavvy posted:

Ok I see. No the problem is you've missed the uncounted times when goons get bizarrely angry about, and invested in arguing about, self driving cars. To the point where it just results in massive idiotic debates about one of the less significant automation technologies as far as impact on society goes. Which is why nobody wants to talk about them.
lol, "people get into huge debates about X because nobody wants to talk about X!"

And if/when they get rolled out in the near future they'll have a huge impact on society. So yeah wrong again.

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747
From what I can tell, posters who go off on self-driving car tears are just using it as an excuse to complain about American car culture, and how SDCs somehow rob them of an opportunity to kill it once and for all.

American car culture will never die as long as self-identifying rural Americans exist

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Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Slavvy posted:

Ok I see. No the problem is you've missed the uncounted times when goons get bizarrely angry about, and invested in arguing about, self driving cars. To the point where it just results in massive idiotic debates about one of the less significant automation technologies as far as impact on society goes. Which is why nobody wants to talk about them.

Car talk leads to urban planning talk

Urban planning talk leads to half the thread advocating genocide and/or other crimes against humanity the other half until there is a full meltdown and the probations and bans start flying.

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