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I really want to play a good china-centric strategy game but the closest I get to that is paradox I want something that simulates the complexity of imperial governance of the song-yuan-ming-qing era and fighting off the northern/western nomads the closest I came to that was EU III era china, which imo had better mechanics in many ways than EU IV china, like for example a really cool mechanic in EU 3 is that you have to colonize with colonists nomad provinces like you would the new world to annex them or else they just fall back into nomadic control after a while which is really accurate also in eu 3 the westernization mechanics are way superior, you basically have to work your way up to the western tech group and go through a stability -5 hit for every "level" you go through. Which really simulates how painful westernization/modernization can be. Whereas not not even A.I Ming ever falls behind in institutions.
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Dec 4, 2017 23:47
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Crusader Kings 2 with unique chinese mechanics that just centers the map on China would be really cool instead of Jade Dragon which while fun in some ways isn't enough
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Dec 4, 2017 23:49
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rumor is next total war is gonna be three kingdoms
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Dec 4, 2017 23:52
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StashAugustine posted:rumor is next total war is gonna be three kingdoms idk if that's good or bad knowing creative assembly they might end up having actual dragons or poo poo in there or something like how they butchered egypt in rome total war i.e having them being Egypt circa 1750 BC or so instead of a Greek dynasty with a Greek style army as they actually were during the time period of the game
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Dec 4, 2017 23:59
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Bro Dad posted:A lot of chinese bathrooms have signs next to the urinals that say "one small step for man, one giant leap for civilization" to encourage you to piss closer Don't mess with tough old peasant ladies. Anywhere, really, but including China.
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Dec 5, 2017 00:28
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Typo posted:I really want to play a good china-centric strategy game but the closest I get to that is paradox ck2 has nomad agitation mechanic
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Dec 5, 2017 00:32
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this is terrible
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Dec 5, 2017 00:41
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Typo posted:idk if that's good or bad knowing creative assembly they might end up having actual dragons or poo poo in there I can't wait to see their dipshit take on the wooden ox
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Dec 5, 2017 00:42
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An East Asia total war would be right up their alley, since there's no limit to the DLC expansions for individual warring periods. The question is which period best fits the base game. A good Total War needs some factional diversity, so the Warring States period might fit best, but if it's a 3 Kingdoms setting then they'd need to include a much larger map with horselord factions, Korea, Japanese factions, Viet and Khmer, and so on.
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Dec 5, 2017 02:03
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:An East Asia total war would be right up their alley, since there's no limit to the DLC expansions for individual warring periods. The question is which period best fits the base game. A good Total War needs some factional diversity, so the Warring States period might fit best, but if it's a 3 Kingdoms setting then they'd need to include a much larger map with horselord factions, Korea, Japanese factions, Viet and Khmer, and so on. I always wanted southern song era, you have the tangut western xia, the Jurchen Jin, the Mongols obviously, proto-indsutrialization Chinese Song dynasty, and this was an era when Korea, Tibetan warlords, Vietnam etc were all well developed when they weren't back in the warring state era. You get max unit diversity since you have mongolian cavalry, chinese infantry and even gunpowder weapons. Maybe song can industrialize or something as a win condition and as a final gently caress you you get like shogun 2 fall of samurai type rifle/artillery units to beat the crap out of the mongols. Also people would have actually herd about Vietnam/Korea/Tibet/Mongosl etc whereas loving nobody in America would ever be able to tell the difference between the state of Chu and the state of Zhao expanded map is ok as long as the map is centered on china and it's most important region, kinda like how in warhammer total war I the empire territories were most important regions like seriously when I was in high school I literally had this all planned out. Mongols would be kinda like chaos in warhammer but they could also take some cities. Song would have weakest early game military but best economy and some super rifle/artillery units if they get industrialized. Jing has strong military but problems with keeping their ethnic Chinese population loyal and poo poo Typo has issued a correction as of 07:19 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Dec 5, 2017 07:01
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I can't wait to see their dipshit take on the wooden ox guaranteed it has rockets or some poo poo like that mounted on it and it's gonna get used in mp to snipe enemy generals
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Dec 5, 2017 07:04
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Typo posted:idk if that's good or bad knowing creative assembly they might end up having actual dragons or poo poo in there I don't know what Total War is, but anything with Three Kingdoms is good.
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Dec 5, 2017 07:59
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i really want a total world war one
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Dec 5, 2017 08:06
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I'm holding out for Total War: Middle East.
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Dec 5, 2017 08:27
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Typo posted:Crusader Kings 2 with unique chinese mechanics that just centers the map on China would be really cool instead of Jade Dragon which while fun in some ways isn't enough CK2 but set during the unification of china or period of spring and autumnn
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Dec 5, 2017 10:42
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Baloogan posted:i really want a total world war one but an American Civil War setting might work though, if it hasn't already been done
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Dec 5, 2017 11:09
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CK2 but set in hollywood in the 90s
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Dec 5, 2017 11:20
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rudatron posted:world war one doesn't fit the formations-style combat the total war franchise is suited to Fall of the Samurai was really good and basically ACW only with angry japanese shouting
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Dec 5, 2017 11:53
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Baloogan posted:CK2 but set in hollywood in the 90s the ck2 fallout mod is already out there
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Dec 5, 2017 15:39
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Jose posted:CK2 but set during the unification of china or period of spring and autumnn yes
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Dec 5, 2017 17:00
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Spring and autumn period > qin unification > romance of the three kingdoms are close enough together to all be in the same game and i really want it now
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Dec 5, 2017 17:04
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Jose posted:Spring and autumn period > qin unification > romance of the three kingdoms are close enough together to all be in the same game and i really want it now romance of three kingdoms has to be expansion, the han dynasty lasted literally centuries between the Qin and the 3 kingdoms so it would be weird to straight fast forward to it the Shu can get zhuge liang's tactics or strategies or something as a campaign map bonus but has less territory/population and you have to rely on those bonuses to win. The wei is standard faction while the Wu is the expansionist economy/naval faction or something
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Dec 5, 2017 17:16
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Picked up Oriental Empires on sale yesterday btw It's a little bare but it's pretty fun. I really like the way they did the tech tree. You're constantly researching 4 different trees, Stellaris-style. Having to deal with managing farms and flooding in your cities is good too, as is the separate noble and peasant happiness.
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Dec 5, 2017 17:32
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Typo posted:romance of three kingdoms has to be expansion, the han dynasty lasted literally centuries between the Qin and the 3 kingdoms so it would be weird to straight fast forward to it i was more thinking of them as various start dates
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Dec 5, 2017 17:46
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Picked up Oriental Empires on sale yesterday btw
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Dec 5, 2017 17:50
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Picked up Oriental Empires on sale yesterday btw the impression I get with OE is that it's wayyyyy too bare
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Dec 5, 2017 19:09
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HerraS posted:Fall of the Samurai was really good and basically ACW only with angry japanese shouting acw was more napoleon/empire imo, I don't think there were armored swordsmen charging rifle regiments in the civil war
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Dec 5, 2017 19:10
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Taiping Rebellion or the warlord era could be easy Fall of the Samurai analogs.
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Dec 5, 2017 19:21
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Holding out for Mexican Revolution: Total War
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Dec 5, 2017 19:41
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Typo posted:acw was more napoleon/empire imo, I don't think there were armored swordsmen charging rifle regiments in the civil war FoS had you moving troops by trains, steam-powered ships and gatling guns. It literally takes place during the time the acw was going on 
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Dec 6, 2017 11:31
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Dec 6, 2017 11:43
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japan uses Western-style fascism! it’s scarily effective!
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Dec 6, 2017 11:45
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The Shogunate forces used firearms by the way, it wasn't like The Last Samurai where Sengoku era samurai were charging line infantry.
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Dec 6, 2017 12:17
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who cares, we solved this poo poo in civ 5
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Dec 6, 2017 14:29
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Dec 6, 2017 20:34
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HerraS posted:FoS had you moving troops by trains, steam-powered ships and gatling guns. It literally takes place during the time the acw was going on it's also ahistorical as hell in that half the factions modernize and the half doesn't so half the battles are fought between riflemen and literally 16th century armor wearing samurais who actually win like half the time vs modern rifles/artillery cuz total war players think last samurai is accurate depiction of late 1800s japan in actual history both shogun and imperial forces modernized as fast as they could and the boshin war was fought between two rifle/artillery equipped armies in reality if you try to charge rifle regiments with swords you get wiped out
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Dec 6, 2017 21:36
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by the 1600s there's the very real possibility that japan actually outproduced the entirety of europe in terms of the pure volume of firearms produced pre-WWII japan loving loved guns dude
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Dec 6, 2017 23:35
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Vermain posted:by the 1600s there's the very real possibility that japan actually outproduced the entirety of europe in terms of the pure volume of firearms produced otoh guns basically completely disappeared after 1603 or so because there was universal peace in Japan enforced by the Shogunate until the 1850s the japanese had to re-adopt them in the 19th century
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Dec 6, 2017 23:47
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Typo posted:idk if that's good or bad knowing creative assembly they might end up having actual dragons or poo poo in there
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Dec 7, 2017 00:25
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Typo posted:otoh guns basically completely disappeared after 1603 or so because there was universal peace in Japan enforced by the Shogunate until the 1850s firearms were pretty much done away with to preserve the privileges of the samurai Typo posted:it's also ahistorical as hell in that half the factions modernize and the half doesn't so half the battles are fought between riflemen and literally 16th century armor wearing samurais who actually win like half the time vs modern rifles/artillery cuz total war players think last samurai is accurate depiction of late 1800s japan Shogunate forces do at least have their own line infantry in addition to the traditionalist melee units, they're just not as good.
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Dec 7, 2017 02:20
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