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Did Donny revert the land to state use? I've read that some of these states hate that because they don't have the resources to manage millions of additional acres in sparsely populated zones. Like Wyoming can't take care of all it's land, it just doesn't have the resources. Why do I feel like the free market is going to step in and offer to manage some of this new land. Outdoorsy dog does not like. 
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evilweasel posted:lol@manafort getting himself hosed because he couldn't wait a loving week to ghostwrite an article about how he was totally innocent and couldn't do it with someone who wasn't in loving russian intelligence and currently in russia manafort thinks he is very clever yet doesn't think he's under surveillance 24/7 lol
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Bottom Liner posted:Patagonia is extremely active and adamant about protecting wildlife and protected lands. They make great gear to but their principals are rare and the main reason why I'm a loyal customer for outdoor gear. I also did not know this. I don't really go climbing or camping or backpacking or anything but I'll make sure and buy their stuff if/when I need it.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Did Donny revert the land to state use? I've read that some of these states hate that because they don't have the resources to manage millions of additional acres in sparsely populated zones. Like Wyoming can't take care of all it's land, it just doesn't have the resources. the utah government has been agitating for a long time for the federal government to give over some of its land to state control, so that the state can open it up to oil and gas development
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:the utah government has been agitating for a long time for the federal government to give over some of its land to state control, so that the state can open it up to oil and gas development Which is insane, because by the time that stuff gets up and running we could be at a point where solar is so clearly superior gas/oil can't compete. Our descendants are going to look at things like this and cry.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:what's CR? Continuing resolution to avoid a shutdown.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:what's CR? cock ramming
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Oh god yes, let the High Fructose Corn Syrup Caucus gently caress it all up again. 
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axeil posted:Which is insane, because by the time that stuff gets up and running we could be at a point where solar is so clearly superior gas/oil can't compete. First they get rid of the subsidies for renewables, then they impose absurd restrictions to kill them. My bet would be something like "do you KNOW just many of solar panels in this country were made by the Chinese!? *scare chord* I call on my fellow congressmen to vote yes on my 'American Solar Solidarity Act' to help kill Chinese panel dumping and just ignore all the other restrictions in it"
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:cock ramming 
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Nor sure if this has been posted but whats the thoughts on this? https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ecks/901017001/
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I’m not sure if that really means much
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Wait, the Freedom Caucus actually wants a more functional CR or they're pissing on the carpet because the other Republicans are trying to be slightly more responsible and sort of fund the government?
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axeil posted:Which is insane, because by the time that stuff gets up and running we could be at a point where solar is so clearly superior gas/oil can't compete. Nevada is about as excited for solar as Utah is for oil and gas (which is fuckin’ stupid, but that’s Utah for you) but even solar developments run into a host of complications with protected land in these states where the federal government owns so much of the property.
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Allah akbar. Gyges posted:Wait, the Freedom Caucus actually wants a more functional CR or they're pissing on the carpet because the other Republicans are trying to be slightly more responsible and sort of fund the government? I'm pretty sure you know the answer in your heart.
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skylined! posted:ya, that patagonia - not the region of south america While it's true that they have a monetary interest, the company was founded by true believer outdoorsman and has genuinely good outdoor ethics AFAIK (I'm not a Patagonia historian or anything). Founder: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvon_Chouinard See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia_(clothing) Patagonia doesn't act like they love the outdoors and the environment because it's good for business. Rather, love of the outdoors and environment is a founding principle of the company. This is true of several outdoor gear companies.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:the utah government has been agitating for a long time for the federal government to give over some of its land to state control, so that the state can open it up to oil and gas development Sometimes (more often as of late) I see something on the news and think "there's no way anyone could be dumb enough to stick their dick in that hornets' nest." But then I see that certain idiots in Congress want to shut down the government right before Christmas, and right before election season starts up and realize that yes, there is always a way.
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axeil posted:Which is insane, because by the time that stuff gets up and running we could be at a point where solar is so clearly superior gas/oil can't compete. He wants to mine the Grand Canyon for uranium too. Someone should tell these assholes to look at the price of coal, uranium, and natural gas before they start ripping through national monuments.
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Gyges posted:Wait, the Freedom Caucus actually wants a more functional CR or they're pissing on the carpet because the other Republicans are trying to be slightly more responsible and sort of fund the government? or they don't want the bill to go to conference for.... reasons? government shutdown fetishists?
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Gyges posted:Wait, the Freedom Caucus actually wants a more functional CR or they're pissing on the carpet because the other Republicans are trying to be slightly more responsible and sort of fund the government? I think they want to neuter the Dems' leverage to fix DACA by pushing the CR out past when Trump starts deporting people.
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It's going to be cool and good when every 4-8 years Democrats are going to have to re-protect lands and then Rs will just tear them down on the next go round
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:While it's true that they have a monetary interest, the company was founded by true believer outdoorsman and has genuinely good outdoor ethics AFAIK (I'm not a Patagonia historian or anything). ya this is great stuff and little nuggets in this thread make it real good and cool i'm a cynic any time interests in business come up because capitalism is dishonest 
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I can't figure this out. Are they trying to get guarantees for provisions they want in the final bill? Kreeblah posted:I think they want to neuter the Dems' leverage to fix DACA by pushing the CR out past when Trump starts deporting people. This isn't enough for them to put themselves out on a limb.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:First they get rid of the subsidies for renewables, then they impose absurd restrictions to kill them. My bet would be something like "do you KNOW just many of solar panels in this country were made by the Chinese!? *scare chord* I call on my fellow congressmen to vote yes on my 'American Solar Solidarity Act' to help kill Chinese panel dumping and just ignore all the other restrictions in it" Literally saw these billboards driving through Oklahoma last year. "Do you know who you are paying for your wind farm? China!"
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Aves Maria! posted:It's going to be cool and good when every 4-8 years Democrats are going to have to re-protect lands and then Rs will just tear them down on the next go round i for one look forward to the Cooling Stacks Gift Shop adjacent to the Navajo Historical Gas Refinery
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Kreeblah posted:I think they want to neuter the Dems' leverage to fix DACA by pushing the CR out past when Trump starts deporting people. Oh Christ that’s not good.
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Aves Maria! posted:It's going to be cool and good when every 4-8 years Democrats are going to have to re-protect lands and then Rs will just tear them down on the next go round If the threat of re-protecting the land makes the land worthless to private industry (because they'll invest millions in setting up their extraction infrastructure, only to have to tear it all down and vacate) then the land becomes worthless to private industry and Republicans will stop trying to sell it to their donors / friends. As an outdoorsman myself, I'll vote for any D who wants to come at restoring these lands in as confiscatory a way as possible.
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So if they don't let the bill go to conference, what's that mean? Does that mean it's dead, or can they vote to send the same bill to conference later?
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:If the threat of re-protecting the land makes the land worthless to private industry (because they'll invest millions in setting up their extraction infrastructure, only to have to tear it all down and vacate) then the land becomes worthless to private industry and Republicans will stop trying to sell it to their donors / friends. idk if logic would ever be enough to stop Republicans from doing something that is dumb
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Spiritus Nox posted:Who's McCarthy, by the way? Prominent Moderate or something? Surely not a democrat if the HFC's giving him the time of day... House majority leader
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Spiritus Nox posted:Who's McCarthy, by the way? Prominent Moderate or something? Surely not a democrat if the HFC's giving him the time of day... hes the house rep that said he thinks putin pays trump on a hot mic https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/937833713349681152
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