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Dec 5, 2017 11:16
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Well, you could give him a call to clarify what he means, but you'll have to wait until tomorrow now.
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Dec 5, 2017 11:33
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Not being able to see out of the bus windows was legit frustrating though
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Dec 5, 2017 13:55
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I just want to know if "Wellington population will halve" is a campaign promise or a warning.
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Dec 5, 2017 21:07
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11953519 Anti 1080 groups threatening to murder DOC workers, cool.
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Dec 5, 2017 23:31
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NZAmoeba posted:Not being able to see out of the bus windows was legit frustrating though Yeah it sucks sitting down and having a giant sticker on the window blocking your view. Why even have a window?!?!
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Dec 5, 2017 23:47
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El Pollo Blanco posted:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11953519 Well our politics is getting more and more American style, we may as well import their penchant for right wing domestic terrorism as well.
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Dec 6, 2017 00:14
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I wouldn't mind having a camp-out at Puhaka Mt Bruce over not being allowed to let cattle roam in waterways, just gotta bail before the cops turn up.
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Dec 6, 2017 00:51
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bike tory posted:I have a soft spot in my heart for this kind of community minded lefty loony. Probably only because I never have to deal with them in an official capacity, but still. I saw that and thought oh poo poo I wouldn't like to be Ann Plan at the council.... oh wait he probably means annual plan?
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Dec 6, 2017 07:42
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No trains on Friday, apparently because of this.quote:Auckland rail workers will go on strike this Friday after their employer, French owned multi-national Transdev, refused to back down on its proposal to introduce driver-only operation on the city’s passenger trains. quote:Transdev’s proposal would make train drivers have responsibility for monitoring door operation and passengers, dividing their attention and significantly increasing the risk of accident. quote:“The next move is Transdev’s: they can either come back to the table with an offer that keeps Aucklander and rail workers safe, or they can bear the responsibility for continuing disruption to Auckland’s rail services leading up to Christmas,” says John Kerr. Owned.
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Dec 6, 2017 08:35
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Good on 'em. Admittedly I'm carpooling that day. But still.
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Dec 6, 2017 09:12
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I catch the train every day to work, but I'm happy to spend three times as long in a crowded, stuffy bus for this.
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Dec 6, 2017 10:30
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Labour not ruling out expanding the sanctioning of beneficiaries, and the Greens will roll over on a core campaign promise to end sanctioning. Keep punching the poor guys, it's definitely going to endear you to what's left of your voter base
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Dec 6, 2017 11:20
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1080 owns and we're lucky to be one of the few countries in the world where ya can use it
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Dec 6, 2017 11:50
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As far as I can tell there is zero decent science on the practical life span of 1080, I had a bit of a look into it earlier in the year and every paper I could find is based on 20° water which if you've spent any time in south Island bush is ridiculous. Anecdotally though, in the top of the Kahurangi it did a great job on rat numbers after the heavy beech mast 2(?) years ago and Kea numbers seem unaffected. Vaginal Vagrant fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Dec 6, 2017 22:58
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Biggest problem with 1080 is the aerial application seems to be handled by cowboys. Basically most of the people who agree to do it are not the kind of people who should be handling poisons.
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Dec 6, 2017 23:36
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:As far as I can tell there is zero decent science on the practical life span of 1080, I had a bit of a look into it earlier in the year and every paper I could find is based on 20° water which if you've spent any time in south Island bush is ridiculous. This seems like it'd be really really easy to test? Like just put it in the fridge instead.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:36
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You assume they want to know. It is like the water testing for 1080 is only for 1080 itself not for the still harmful substances it breaks down to in water. If you don’t measure the problem you can pretend it doesn’t exist.
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Dec 7, 2017 01:11
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Varkk posted:You assume they want to know. It is like the water testing for 1080 is only for 1080 itself not for the still harmful substances it breaks down to in water. If you don’t measure the problem you can pretend it doesn’t exist. Who is they, and why do you think they are happy pretending a potential problem doesn't exist?
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Dec 7, 2017 02:44
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You know them man. Actually I am referring to WCRC and Vector control services.
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Dec 7, 2017 02:51
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It seems like if that were an actual thing it'd be reasonably trivial for the anti-1080 people to demonstrate it with a peer-reviewed paper that would be quite hard to argue against? Like sure, it'd cost a bit, but so does catching and shipping deer to national parks and paying legal costs for people threatening to shoot civilian contractors from the sky. It would do nothing to address the fact that it's currently the best, easiest and cheapest way to address the problem in many areas and without an alternative we likely incur significant losses to both flora and fauna
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Dec 7, 2017 02:51
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Varkk posted:You assume they want to know. It is like the water testing for 1080 is only for 1080 itself not for the still harmful substances it breaks down to in water. If you don’t measure the problem you can pretend it doesn’t exist. 1080 breaks down into harmless substances in water - or at least in warm water. That's what needs testing though obviously, how long does it take to break down into harmless substances in cold water?
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Dec 7, 2017 06:01
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We are just so lucky in this country that it is a viable poison, whereas most countries it just isn't. People will be anti anything good tho ya know?
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Dec 7, 2017 06:16
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echinopsis posted:We are just so lucky in this country that it is a viable poison, whereas most countries it just isn't. to be fair people are also anti anything bad
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Dec 7, 2017 06:27
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awesmoe posted:to be fair people are also anti anything bad Why did we just have 3 terms of a National government then?
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Dec 7, 2017 06:31
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But what if the 1080 mixes with the fluoride in our vaccines and causes artism??? For real though I've been doing some reading and there is a surprising lack of decent science on 1080
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Dec 7, 2017 06:42
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Varkk posted:You know them man. why do you think the WCRC would want to pretend that they are not poisoning the water?
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Dec 7, 2017 06:44
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The councillors are almost all dairy farmers. 1080 is used for controlling possums in the name of preventing the spread of bovine TB. The council then pays bottom dollar for contractors who drop it on people’s houses and even killed an entire deer herd in a paddock because they can’t read a map.
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Dec 7, 2017 07:59
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Varkk posted:The councillors are almost all dairy farmers. 1080 is used for controlling possums in the name of preventing the spread of bovine TB. So they don't really care because nothing important is at risk? Its not like people are dying or native animals are dying right?
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Dec 7, 2017 08:18
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Varkk posted:The councillors are almost all dairy farmers. 1080 is used for controlling possums in the name of preventing the spread of bovine TB. It's also used to control stoats, rats etc to protect native wild life. It's a weirdly divisive issue that cuts across normal left/right political lines. You've got lefty DOC workers and environmentalists working with farmers and right wing local councillors on one side, and conservstive gun-nut hunting types working with urban liberal animal rights types on the other.
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Dec 7, 2017 08:50
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It does kill the birds and anecdotally the Koura, although that one wasn’t shown in a lab. Merely that breeding pools downstream of a catchment where it was spread were devoid of them after a drop. The big issue is with how lax on following council and DOC rules the contractors are. Most agree aerial 1080 should be used in areas hard to target with other methods. But it is used almost exclusively. Also it is not meant to be dropped in stream beds or rivers etc but it is. Although in most areas there can be a stream every few dozen metres or so. A year or two back there were a couple of dogs got sick and died mysteriously. It turned out they all played by the beach near a small river mouth. Not far upstream was a loading area for one of the 1080 operations. The pellets were left uncovered in the rain and so a bit flowed in to the river. The dogs swam and drank that water and died. There were also no fish in that section of river any more either. I agree with the Green Party policy on 1080 of having its use reviewed to see if it is still the best option, for keeping the aerial application limited to areas where other methods aren’t practical, and finally making sure the contractors follow the proper handling procedures and drop guidelines.
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Dec 7, 2017 09:03
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But what's this got to do with ubuntu?
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Dec 7, 2017 09:09
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Varkk posted:It does kill the birds This isn't confirmed though. Like it's undoubtedly toxic to them but it isn't clear whether they eat the pellets to any significant extent. The fact that DOC is in favour of it's use makes me question the randos who provide anecdotal evidence that native birds are eating the pellets. I absolutely agree with you that it needs a proper review and probably much tighter regulation of aerial dispersal but at the moment everyone is kinda working of anecdotal evidence and hearsay which doesn't help at all.
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Dec 7, 2017 11:24
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don't you mother fuckers come in with reasonable positions here. either you love a thing or you hate a thing and will set up a political party with only one policy against it
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Dec 7, 2017 19:31
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What about people who are pro bad things?
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Dec 7, 2017 19:58
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currently, they're pissy about being evicted from parliament despite "winning" the election
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Dec 7, 2017 20:05
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Slavvy posted:What about people who are pro bad things? How else would you explain my narcissism?
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Dec 8, 2017 05:11
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Slavvy posted:What about people who are pro bad things? https://twitter.com/dril/status/464802196060917762
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Dec 8, 2017 06:39
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Hey look Simon Lusk and Cameron Slater are being fuckwits again https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/99710172/gareth-morgan-wants-nothing-to-do-with-the-morgan-score-wild-cat-shooting-contest
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Dec 10, 2017 02:31
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Govt no longer rewriting schools to collect and report national standards data  http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/99774465/National-Standards-have-officially-ended-in-primary-schools-across-the-country?cid=app-android It isn't going to be popular but I don't think they'll face much blowback from it
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