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Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

This will be an absolute disaster for everyone. MDs would be screwed. Lawyers screwed even more. Social work and government workers would get turbofucked into moving out of the country. There's no way a Masters in Social Work, financed by loans, would be able to live in the United States.

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TyroneGoldstein
Mar 30, 2005
Nvm.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

Lote posted:

This will be an absolute disaster for everyone. MDs would be screwed. Lawyers screwed even more. Social work and government workers would get turbofucked into moving out of the country. There's no way a Masters in Social Work, financed by loans, would be able to live in the United States.

Yeah man, the ultrarich have decided that they don't just want to hoard unimaginable wealth and live in luxury, they wanna do all that in a collapsing shell of a country.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

crime fighting hog posted:

"Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? I did it seven weeks ago."

:golfclap:

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

SocketWrench posted:

Well, the race in Alabama was going neck and neck which says to Republicans "no one cares", and Trump endorsing him leaves them little choice. The party of family values seems to not have an issue with kiddie diddling...unless it's the other side that does it

Anecdotal, but I do know a few formerly diehard Republican voters who are now talking about voting for Democrats as a result of this. They sincerely believe that gay and trans people are just itching for an excuse to molest kids, and the GOP openly accepting and supporting a known pedophile is a bridge too far for them.

Edit: kitten tax.

https://i.imgur.com/WzsdoLK.mp4

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Casey Finnigan posted:

Yeah man, the ultrarich have decided that they don't just want to hoard unimaginable wealth and live in luxury, they wanna do all that in a collapsing shell of a country.

They want to create something that is less of a democracy than America. They might be able to do it.

Phlag
Nov 2, 2000

We make a special trip just for you, same low price.


2 possible reasons that the Deutsche Bank subpoena could be juicy:
https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/938002074574512128

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



https://twitter.com/andrewkirell/status/938048774194237440

:stare:

What the fuuuuuuuck

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Casey Finnigan posted:

Yeah man, the ultrarich have decided that they don't just want to hoard unimaginable wealth and live in luxury, they wanna do all that in a collapsing shell of a country.

This would have an effect of forcing doctors to move to more rural areas where there are more high paying jobs just to pay off debt. I know Family Practice doctors that work in an inpatient hospital in rural Texas that make north of $400k. The same position in New York City or LA would be around $150-175k starting.

I was talking with a General Surgery resident with 1.5 years left to go in her training. She's a single mother. Half a million dollars in debt right now. There's no way to discharge that debt by going bankrupt. She will have to get the highest paying job available if the PSLF goes away.

Public defenders are going to be screwed. Any sort of family services will be even more depleted. This all "gently caress you, give me money."

It will create a permanent Democratic Party block of college educated 18-35 year olds.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Boris Galerkin posted:

On the one hand what the gently caress. On the other hand, isn’t the CIA already a global rendition unit?

How anyone can look at poo poo like this and not see Trump mimicking the Nazis....

State that the truth is false, establish a propaganda system of fake information
Get rid of the non pure and block entry of them
Put the boot to the people to squeeze more money from them while controlling what they do
Establish secret organizations to monitor monitoring systems of the government
Put out a network of propaganda and hush agents to control foreign opinion
I wonder when the crack down on criticism comes and if people will have to start hiding minorities in attics again

I should be amazed, but I'm more just dumbfounded that after eight years of screeching about the evils of this poo poo and how even dijon mustard is a sign of the impending nazi Obama regime that they would so easily and readily embrace the same poo poo from their own party

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Alter Ego posted:

Their contempt for Trump and the underlying fact that a) Mueller fired this guy for anti-Trump texts and b) the story hasn't shown up anywhere credible except as a "hey, look at how Fox is furiously humping this coconut" piece tells me that this probably won't be the case this time.

I read an interesting argument (somewhere, don't recall where) that one of the little-realized dynamics about the right wing media sphere right now is that it's how you lobby trump, and the theory was that people in the RWM are flogging this less as something they expect to seriously break through in the media and more to try to get Trump to fire Mueller because they view that as his best course of action. This story hits Trump's buttons - fear of disloyalty, rage at the idea that he does not own everyone in the government despite being appointed king - and a lot of the rwm nutters who don't even pretend to believe in democracy strongly believe that allowing Mueller to complete his work is a really bad idea.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser



It's true, Doug Jones position is abortion must be mandatory. I've begged him to moderate and allow women to choose

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


he finds these people in alabama, duh

i'm glad that the "northerners should stop feeling so self-righteous about how superior the north is to the deep south" fad after trump's election should now be solidly over

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Looks like fetal alcohol syndrome to me

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Lote posted:

It will create a permanent Democratic Party block of college educated 18-35 year olds.

what do you mean "create"

that block is already, like, 80% democratic if not more, that's why republicans are targeting them

the bankruptcies will continue until support for republicans improves

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better


"Well he hasn't raped *everyone*" is certainly a novel defense.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

SocketWrench posted:

How anyone can look at poo poo like this and not see Trump mimicking the Nazis....

State that the truth is false, establish a propaganda system of fake information
Get rid of the non pure and block entry of them
Put the boot to the people to squeeze more money from them while controlling what they do
Establish secret organizations to monitor monitoring systems of the government
Put out a network of propaganda and hush agents to control foreign opinion
I wonder when the crack down on criticism comes and if people will have to start hiding minorities in attics again

I should be amazed, but I'm more just dumbfounded that after eight years of screeching about the evils of this poo poo and how even dijon mustard is a sign of the impending nazi Obama regime that they would so easily and readily embrace the same poo poo from their own party

Except trying to do any of this has blown up hilariously in his fat dumb face because of how unfathomably stupid he and everyone around him is.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

these people literally think liberals are loving satanic hell monsters because they have been raised by or willingly conned by evangelical salafism.

CyberPingu posted:

Yeah he sent the request in 7 weeks ago so i assume he already has all the information he needs from them.

Surprised we havnt seen any Donnie meltdown tweets yet as he said he'd "End Mueller" if he went after his finances.

gently caress if this poo poo ever finishes. that report is gonna be loving beautiful.


C2C - 2.0 posted:

I mean other than backstabbing & firing low-level staffers, what would a private counter-intel group be able to actually accomplish? lovely as Sessions may be, I'm having quite the conundrum trying to reconcile DoJ lawyers being prosecutorial toward intelligence/fed law enforcement because Trump's idiot squad say so.

it wound't accomplish poo poo. these dudes would all be hard core trumpist first and actual smarties second. and they would probaly back stab each other not to mention that it would get infiltrated by either IC types or smart lefties.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Literally that parody political comic where the elephant wins the argument by asking if the donkey would let Obama kill his baby.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Withnail posted:

Unfortunately I think Deutsche bank can just tell Mueller to gently caress off

not in any sense whatsoever, mueller almost certainly has those records already. it's basically impossible for any real bank to escape us jurisdiction and we don't gently caress around when it comes to forcing them to pay attention

NmareBfly
Jul 16, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


SocketWrench posted:

I should be amazed, but I'm more just dumbfounded that after eight years of screeching about the evils of this poo poo and how even dijon mustard is a sign of the impending nazi Obama regime that they would so easily and readily embrace the same poo poo from their own party

Do we really need to point out that Obama was, in fact, a black person?

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

evilweasel posted:

what do you mean "create"

that block is already, like, 80% democratic if not more, that's why republicans are targeting them

the bankruptcies will continue until support for republicans improves

The people that say, "You know I could see myself being a Rockafeller Republican" will go to being "gently caress the Republican Party".

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

SocketWrench posted:

How anyone can look at poo poo like this and not see Trump mimicking the Nazis....

State that the truth is false, establish a propaganda system of fake information
Get rid of the non pure and block entry of them
Put the boot to the people to squeeze more money from them while controlling what they do
Establish secret organizations to monitor monitoring systems of the government
Put out a network of propaganda and hush agents to control foreign opinion
I wonder when the crack down on criticism comes and if people will have to start hiding minorities in attics again

I should be amazed, but I'm more just dumbfounded that after eight years of screeching about the evils of this poo poo and how even dijon mustard is a sign of the impending nazi Obama regime that they would so easily and readily embrace the same poo poo from their own party

the republican party is a declining minority, they can't afford to support democracy so they don't

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Lote posted:

The people that say, "You know I could see myself being a Rockafeller Republican"

dead people? they don't vote very often these days

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
Why aren't you talking about all the women he *didn't* rape?

PoopShipDestroyer
Jan 13, 2006

I think he's ready for a chair

Ravenfood posted:

Fun fact: this utterly fucks over resident physicians, especially those who are planning on being PCPs, general practitioners, hospitalists, intensivists, or, really, anything besides highly over-paid specialists. Med school debt is so high in part because it comes with the promise of high wages (and it does) but residents earn basically gently caress-all. Their hourly rate is absurdly low given what they do: while they make an average of 50k/year pre-tax, they're working between 60-80 hours for huge chunks of that time, giving them an hourly wage that's as low as 13/hr. That doesn't count the fact that they're often on-call and responsible to outpatient clinic pages without being able to bill for those hours. So, ability to pay at around 250k in med school loans, plus undergraduate loans, is somewhat limited, and everyone I know has to take income-based repayment at least during their residency. Yes, attending salary is quite a bit better: but some of the costs of med school are predicated on the fact that people are absolutely gunning for the high-paying positions. One of the hardest specialties to get into is plastic surgery because of the salary, while general practitioner, which is essentially the most important as far as health outcomes for the country go, get much less and so is very easy to get into. Its somewhat mitigated by the public loan forgiveness program: unless a plastic surgeon works in a burn ward (and not a private, lucrative clinic) they won't be eligible for the forgiveness, but GPs would be. Personally, I'd rather not have this weird system where we massively dissuade people from going into general practice right at the same time we're facing a significant shortage of GPs, but that's me. (Or maybe we should, since I'm an NP student and the NP system is growing so rapidly because of the lack of physicians)

Also terrible for a ton of nurses, respiratory therapists, counselors, social workers, NPs, and probably several other sectors I think are crucial to a functioning healthcare system and society like teachers, obviously, but the GOP never pretended to care about them. They, at least in theory, pretend to care about the doctors.

e:

Close the loopholes then, don't gently caress people over who have been making massively different financial decisions in their life because they thought they'd have their loans forgiven. The only way loan forgiveness helps the student is if they take income-based repayment (since most loans have a 10-year payoff time) and so their debts are now much larger than they would have been if they'd been going for a 10year payment plan.

And no, I'm not on this plan. I chose not to take it because I wasn't sure it'd still exist when it became time to benefit, because even 5 years ago I trusted the GOP to be a bunch of backstabbing assholes.

My wife is a hospitalist at a public hospital and thinking about how this loan forgiveness thing will pan out / if we're doing the right thing paying off as little as possible right now with the hope the loans will be forgiven is one of the major stress points of my life. Your descriptions of residency are pretty spot on, though - my wife said if she did it all over again she was just become a PA instead of an MD. Ridiculous hours, high stress, and poo poo pay all with laughably large loans hanging over your head the whole time (and she went to a state school, it could have been even worse). It's ridiculous.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Conyers retiring today.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Looks like Conyers is gonna resign in a minute

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
So a doctor has to live like a grad student and put half their salary in to their debt repayments for five tears before it’s payed off and they can live like a king, so what?

Doctors have money problems because they start spending like a staff right out of med school. The vast majority don’t have debt problems because they aren’t financially retarded.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

GWBBQ posted:

Conyers retiring today.

is he retiring, as in not running for re-election, or retiring, as in retiring right this now to spend time with his wife, mistress, and anyone within groping range willing or not

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

evilweasel posted:

not in any sense whatsoever, mueller almost certainly has those records already. it's basically impossible for any real bank to escape us jurisdiction and we don't gently caress around when it comes to forcing them to pay attention

According to the Guardian, Deutsche Bank has already complied:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-handed-over-robert-mueller

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


evilweasel posted:

is he retiring, as in not running for re-election, or retiring, as in retiring right this now to spend time with his wife, mistress, and anyone within groping range willing or not

Effective immediately

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
What could they have that might be damning?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

What could they have that might be damning?

Large regular deposits into Trump's bank account from Russian bank accounts, for example

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Large regular deposits into Trump's bank account from Russian bank accounts, for example

Wouldn't they use some secret Swiss bank for that?

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/938067354289954818

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Yeah there's no way we don't get a nice meltdown today

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Large regular deposits into Trump's bank account from Russian bank accounts, for example

Or the other way around.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Every Mueller investigation story is like this:

1) "Mueller might be looking for X"
2) *Wait a few minutes*
3) "Actually never mind, Mueller already has X LOL"

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Your son can gently caress off. Dynastic poo poo needs to die.

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