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stone cold posted:that’s true but i really question that fygm poc voters exist in anywhere near the same proportion as the fygm white voters They don't have enough stuff in general yet. The more stuff you have, the more fygm you get.
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Not a Step posted:They don't have enough stuff in general yet. The more stuff you have, the more fygm you get.   ???
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stone cold posted:that’s true but i really question that fygm poc voters exist in anywhere near the same proportion as the fygm white voters you're definitely right about 187, pendejo wilson, and 227 having an effect on the state. it definitely happened and it had a huge effect. i just think that there were other factors that contributed to that as well. but to bolster your point, this is a graph of naturalization petitions filed by hispanics in california, which as we've said went hard into immigrant-bashing in the 90's, and texas, which was much more moderate on the issue: 
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Not a Step posted:Haha, look at this guy using 'median income' to determine anything in the US don’t call me a guy but also care to explain why asians, who are more prosperous than hispanics in the us, voted precisely as not garbage as them e: if you want me to disaggregate this, for example the most prosperous subset of asians is indians so logically following your argument, they should’ve been more fygm than the average Asian number of the 29% that voted trump  and yet stone cold fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Oracle posted:Young voters aren't reliable Dem voters, young minority voters are. Start tailoring your (already existing) message to where the votes are. If you call them they will come. The people who already agree with your policies will also come. Stop focusing on the class war stuff and start focusing on the racial aspects of what they've been up to, the sexist aspects of what they've been up to. Its loving all the same people in the end. Nah this is a terrible strategy as we saw in 2016. Minority voters aren't stupid, they will notice that we're giving them lip service while siding with the (mostly white) plutocrats and donor classes against them, and cynically using Republican horribleness as a stick to beat them into voting for us. They will see it, and they will be discouraged and dispirited, and they will just go to work and try to make a little money to feed their families rather than spend a day fighting Republican voter suppression just to cast a vote for Goldman-Sachs to steal from them.
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Minorities can be FYGM, but are pretty resistent to the particular strand of white racist FYGM that has infected America.
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I married into a large Hispanic family (I'm white) and they seem like they could flip GOP pretty easy if the racism got dropped. Don't want to say much more than that because they accepted me utterly and have been nothing but hospitable and nice, but they also sound a lot like my right-wing Arizona-based relatives on a lot of topics.
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stone cold posted:that’s true but i really question that fygm poc voters exist in anywhere near the same proportion as the fygm white voters You say that, but Italians became white, as did the Irish. Who's to say that Hispanics aren't next on that list?
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Grapplejack posted:You say that, but Italians became white, as did the Irish. Who's to say that Hispanics aren't next on that list? Well, all the white racists, for one thing Everyone points out the Irish and Italians became white but they don't really spell out the mechanisms by which that happened or why it will definitely happen again.
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Grapplejack posted:You say that, but Italians became white, as did the Irish. Who's to say that Hispanics aren't next on that list? other white people, esp. trumpets e: f, b
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, all the white racists, for one thing To add some detail: quote:In the first half of the 19th century, some three million Irish emigrated to America, trading a ruling elite of Anglo-Irish Anglicans for one of WASPs. The Irish immigrants were (self-evidently) not Anglo-Saxon; most were not Protestant; and, as far as many of the nativists were concerned, they weren't white, either. Just how, in the years surrounding the Civil War, the Irish evolved from an oppressed, unwelcome social class to become part of a white racial class is the focus of Harvard lecturer Ignatiev's well-researched, intriguing although haphazardly structured book. By mid-century, Irish voting solidarity gave them political power, a power augmented by the brute force of groups descended from the Molly Maguires. With help, the Irish pushed blacks out of the lower-class jobs and neighborhoods they had originally shared. And though many Irish had been oppressed by the Penal Laws, they opposed abolition?even when Daniel O'Connell, "the Liberator," threatened that Irish-Americans who countenanced slavery would be recognized "as Irishmen no longer." The book's structure lacks cohesion: chapters zigzag chronologically and geographically, and Ignatiev's writing is thick with redundancies and overlong digressions. But for the careful reader, he offers much to think about and an important perspective on the American history of race and class. https://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415963095 The Irish and Italians "Became white" through a few different mechanisms -- partly wartime military service -- but also to a very large extent the fact that they weren't black. In America, you're either Underclass or Overclass, there's no inbetween.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:To add some detail: That and in the US most of the people who really thought the Irish "weren't white" were literal first-generation English immigrants. Even the WASPs who were actually born here mostly cared about the Catholicism part.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415963095
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I married into a large Hispanic family (I'm white) and they seem like they could flip GOP pretty easy if the racism got dropped. Don't want to say much more than that because they accepted me utterly and have been nothing but hospitable and nice, but they also sound a lot like my right-wing Arizona-based relatives on a lot of topics. I've been saying (and shouting) these at people for 2+years now, being hispanic myself. Seeing us as a bloc is a huge mistake, and catholicism/patriarchy are also big factors tugging many people to the right. That's not even counting the natural impulse of ambitious/opportunist rear end in a top hat to identify with the status quo and be seen as 'the good ones', and thus above their 'lazy' kin. And many will continue to be assimilated via wealth, marriage, or both. Hispanics split along color (lighter/darker), religion, age, and a ton of other stuff that will make them closer to the US in general, split down the middle on politics, or close enough to not matter. But the myth of the "demographics will save us and make the GOP a perpetual rump party, we just need to hold on a bit longer!!" is just too powerful, I guess. The Deus Ex Machina of liberal politics.
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Lightning Knight posted:Leftism is inherently about identity politics, in that it is about attempting to forge a solidarity among working class people so that they identify as working class and base their politics around that. When you get down to it, class is just another form of identity. Someone can be poor just like they can be LGBT or a racial minority. So yeah, it is really bizarre to act like "idpol" (in the sense it's normally used) is separate from issues of class. stone cold posted:don’t call me a guy I don't think you're wrong here, but when discussing "Asians" as a demographic it's often important to distinguish by origin country. I'd be curious to see how Asians from origin countries who tend to be well-off and educated differ politically from Asian immigrants from countries that tend to be less well off (if they differ at all). I'd also be curious as to how things end up if you control for education level. I mean, I'm sure that white people would still be a lot more right-wing regardless, but I'd still be curious to see what difference exists (if any). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Sephyr posted:I've been saying (and shouting) these at people for 2+years now, being hispanic myself. Seeing us as a bloc is a huge mistake, and catholicism/patriarchy are also big factors tugging many people to the right. That's not even counting the natural impulse of ambitious/opportunist rear end in a top hat to identify with the status quo and be seen as 'the good ones', and thus above their 'lazy' kin. And many will continue to be assimilated via wealth, marriage, or both. Boomers dying off is far more likely to give immediate gains than gradual ethnic shifts, imo.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:ugh, I'd rather have the House past the Senate bill Or you know, not at all. The longer this bill drags on the more of a burden it becomes and the more people realize it's poo poo and get pissed.
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stone cold posted:don’t call me a guy For lots of reasons dude, religious beliefs and demographic distribution to get ya started. Mantis42 posted:Minorities can be FYGM, but are pretty resistent to the particular strand of white racist FYGM that has infected America. Once you adjust for various factors this simply isn't the case. Looking at raw numbers is dumb.
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The Shortest Path posted:Boomers dying off is far more likely to give immediate gains than gradual ethnic shifts, imo. Maybe we can have a purge
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tsa posted:For lots of reasons dude, religious beliefs and demographic distribution to get ya started. cute, v. cute anyways, irritating intentional sexism aside, the whole point of this conversation is to get it through to that earlier goon that clearly there’s more going on than class like, duh
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nailbiter in atlanta tonight as the mayoral election is pretty close http://www.ajc.com/atlanta-runoff-election-results/ keisha lance bottoms (democrat) is currently just inches ahead of mary norwood ( if elected, norwood would be the city's first white mayor in like forty years, and the first white woman mayor
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boner confessor posted:nailbiter in atlanta tonight as the mayoral election is pretty close Keisha Lance-Bottoms has won https://twitter.com/theatlantavoice/status/938272881959632898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Inspector Hound posted:Keisha Lance-Bottoms has won eh 760 vote difference out of 92k votes cast, there's gonna be a recount
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https://twitter.com/K8brannen/status/938259468420308992 https://twitter.com/K8brannen/status/938260942462349314/photo/1 so it turns out i was right, and the clintons were aware of weinstein's sexual assaultyness
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Condiv posted:so it turns out i was right, and the clintons were aware of weinstein's sexual assaultyness
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Edit: forgot the link.quote:The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is making several demands of candidates preparing for the 2018 House elections, according to an internal memo obtained by TYT. The memo dictates policies on campaign spending and sexual harassment, and outlines requirements for Democratic Party “unity.” An email accompanying the memo gives campaigns until Thursday, December 8, to respond. ded redd fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Office Pig posted:"With a wave of left-wing primary challengers seeking office, the memo’s dictates are being seen by some campaign staff as discouraging intraparty debate. One strategist working on a Democratic congressional campaign, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said that barring primary candidates from using tactics that might disadvantage the winner in the general election gives the edge to “corporatist candidates who have super PAC backing.” Those super PACs could carry out such attacks while smaller, grassroots campaigns without super PACs would be unable to respond." I don't get this. How does it benefit corporatist candidates to ban a thing only they can afford to do?
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Bates posted:I don't get this. How does it benefit corporatist candidates to ban a thing only they can afford to do? It's the opposite. The corporatist candidates can just Meanwhile non-establishment candidates without SuperPACs will be hamstrung because pointing out corruption or harmful establishment policies is Bad For The Party and not allowed. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Meanwhile non-establishment candidates without SuperPACs will be hamstrung because pointing out corruption or harmful establishment policies is Bad For The Party and not allowed. Ultimately it's "pay our grifting consultant trash or die."
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lol they want them to spend 75% of their money on television ads, the candidates might as well ignore them since that isn’t going to help. Also funny in that Tom Perez’s DNC was practicing better strategy in Virginia than the DCCC is. Edit: the sexual harassment training is a mixed bag, it sucks that they don’t seem to be taking it seriously, but it’s a big deal to be pushing it at all. I don’t think the problem is just the candidates though, they need to make sure everyone in these campaigns is getting it. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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