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It’s funny, too, that you’ve got a boner for something IndyCar and all the teams viewed as a huge problem and reverted to standard aero kits specifically to solve.
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wicka posted:This always happens exclusively because you all are blinded by nostalgia and harken back to bad eras of racing that you mistakenly believe we’re good. I don't think it's any less valid. Honda near the end of their second stint in F1 started cranking up the power and sacrificing engine reliability to try and close the gap to the FW14B. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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wicka posted:It’s funny, too, that you’ve got a boner for something IndyCar and all the teams viewed as a huge problem and reverted to standard aero kits specifically to solve. All the Honda teams viewed the aerokits as a huge problem, yes.
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Dec 6, 2017 18:59
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wicka posted:And you are describing a race that would’ve been even better if reliability wasn’t an issue, and Honda was still able to pull even with a Chevy without sacrificing half their cars. The entire loving point of trading off speed for reliability is so you can still contend for wins with a car that's down on straight speed.
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Human Grand Prix posted:All the Honda teams viewed the aerokits as a huge problem, yes. Chevy wasn’t opposed to returning to standard aero kits. Feels Villeneuve posted:The entire loving point of trading off speed for reliability is so you can still contend for wins with a car that's down on straight speed. And it’s better when they can contend without making that trade off! Jesus gently caress
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Dec 6, 2017 19:02
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The real issue is the enforcement of reliability and severely penalizing mechanical failures eliminates any incentive to take a risk, such as upping power.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:03
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wicka posted:And it’s better when they can contend without making that trade off! Jesus gently caress Yes, and believe it or not, in a formula that isn't a spec formula, you are not loving guaranteed to have a season where every car is identical on speed, which is why it's good to have the ability to push your car harder!
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Like mate if you want to make F1 a spec formula just say so
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The 2.4L V8 era produced some amazing seasons but you must admit the engine made less and less of a difference as it wore on.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The 2.4L V8 era produced some amazing seasons but you must admit the engine made less and less of a difference as it wore on. By far the worst part of the last decade of F1 has been the inability for teams to make up engine deficits due to the enforcement of reliability and the cutbacks of engine development.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Yes, and believe it or not, in a formula that isn't a spec formula, you are not loving guaranteed to have a season where every car is identical on speed, which is why it's good to have the ability to push your car harder! Believe it or not, F1 has had multiple competitive cars in a season many times without enforcing parity through attrition.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:By far the worst part of the last decade of F1 has been the inability for teams to make up engine deficits due to the enforcement of reliability and the cutbacks of engine development. Engine development should be an open book in my opinion, it's loving nuts that we're getting to a point where homologation turbos are on the table.
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wicka posted:Believe it or not, F1 has had multiple competitive cars in a season many times without enforcing parity through attrition. Such as the 1980s, when there was massive attrition.
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wicka posted:Believe it or not, F1 has had multiple competitive cars in a season many times without enforcing parity through attrition. Nobody is talking about "enforcing parity through attrition".
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Human Grand Prix posted:Such as the 1980s, when there was massive attrition. There would also be far less attrition anyway because the lower half of the grid is no longer made out of teams consisting of four people and some engine made in a shed in Croatia.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Nobody is talking about "enforcing parity through attrition". Lol it’s literally exactly what you are suggesting.
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wicka posted:Lol it’s literally exactly what you are suggesting. I'm talking about loosening regulations and you're claiming that i'm "enforcing parity".
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Feels Villeneuve posted:There would also be far less attrition anyway because the lower half of the grid is no longer made out of teams consisting of four people and some engine made in a shed in Croatia. Dog hair head gaskets.
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"Indycar would be better if all the cars were more spec so they didn't perform differently. By the way you're trying to enforce parity" - Wicka
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I'm talking about loosening regulations and you're claiming that i'm "enforcing parity". You are going crazy praising a race where cars were even because one team sacrificed reliability.
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wicka posted:You are going crazy praising a race where cars were even because one team sacrificed reliability. Everyone liked that race except for insane people who get mad every time a motor blows.
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wicka posted:You are going crazy praising a race where cars were even because one team sacrificed reliability. How is this loving bad?
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1500quidporsche posted:How is this loving bad? It would be better if they were even without cars blowing up.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:There would also be far less attrition anyway because the lower half of the grid is no longer made out of teams consisting of four people and some engine made in a shed in Croatia. Indeed. The severely underfunded "Italian Tax Dodge" teams are gone.
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wicka posted:It would be better if they were even without cars blowing up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Everyone liked that race except for insane people who get mad every time a motor blows. Try not obviously lying about things I’ve said, lmfao. It’s all written down ffs.
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wicka posted:It would be better if they were even without cars blowing up. Holy lmbo just go watch 4 stroke kart racing Jesus Christ.
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1500quidporsche posted:Holy lmbo just go watch 4 stroke kart racing Jesus Christ. No thanks, I will continue watching and enjoying most extant racing series, where cars aren’t constantly blowing up.
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I believe you are arguing in bad faith now wicka.
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Human Grand Prix posted:I believe you are arguing in bad faith now wicka. I apologize.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Mansell winning in Brazil that year is still one of the least likely wins I can remember. It's amazing that car finished the race at all. Yes. The steering wheel detached at some point during the race too.
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Why do we treat Hershey’s Kisses as their own thing when it’s really just like they made too big chocolate chips?
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Why do we park on the driveway and drive on the parkway?
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Dec 6, 2017 19:23
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Why have I spent my entire adult life on forums?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Like mate if you want to make F1 a spec formula just say so To be fair I can understand someone who has been watching F1 Honda engines the past few years having this viewpoint
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Dec 6, 2017 19:26
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There were so many new post since my last post that I thought somebody died
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1500quidporsche posted:Dude, you don't get it. LOL. I actually don't care. Not any more. nice meltdown
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Dec 6, 2017 19:43
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wicka posted:Why do we treat Hershey’s Kisses as their own thing when it’s really just like they made too big chocolate chips? Hershey's isn't chocolate
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Hershey's is disgusting cuz they have an additive in it that makes it taste like puke
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Cadbury chocolate has gone to poo poo since they started cheaping out on it by adding fat. Galaxy is now the one true chocolate.
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