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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Stretch Marx posted:

That's my point. If I smoked weed on Monday and got high for an hour, I would still show for weed on Wednesday even though I'm stone sober and hadn't smoked since that instance. Those types of tests, once weed becomes legal, will just be a whole lot of people going "prove I smoked before I came here today". By 3 o clock that afternoon, that person isn't high anymore. Good luck proving that they did without a breathalyzer.

They'll just say, "I don't give a gently caress if you smoked ten minutes ago, a day ago or a week ago; you tested positive, find a job where impaired performance won't mean someone could die." I don't think that's unreasonable, either, at least until we have more data about how cannabis impairs people.

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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PT6A posted:

They'll just say, "I don't give a gently caress if you smoked ten minutes ago, a day ago or a week ago; you tested positive, find a job where impaired performance won't mean someone could die." I don't think that's unreasonable, either, at least until we have more data about how cannabis impairs people.

The RCMP guy raised a big stink about how he couldn't smoke in uniform. Presumably, we're fine with them smoking ptsd bluntz on their own time.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




TC marine safety medicals don't test for drugs of any kind, as the Dr. conducting my first one pointed out to me. In fact, he claimed it was illegal for him to do so. I didn't care, as I was going to work for a company overseas, and they aren't bound by Canadian laws, and will do random testing. The marine medical does a simple urinalysis for things like diabetes.
The point where we will see US style mandatory testing of every employee, and even high school students, will be as soon as the owner of a testing company finds themselves in cabinet.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Gee I can’t wait for some rich kid high to kill someone with his car while high as gently caress and get off because “but how did we really know he was high, the tests are flawed”.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Sep 9, 2022

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
I hate this country

https://twitter.com/andrewscheer/status/938606306574843905

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

most of those kids will join antifa squads once they're old enough to punch their dads

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 9, 2022

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I'm the blue santa claus.

Health Services
Feb 27, 2009
Agreed. The correct response here is that institutions need to step up their game.

It's dispiriting and corrosive when mediocrity is accepted as the only way it can be.

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008
Out of curiosity, and absent a fool proof test for weed intoxication, where do you think the SCC will come down on testing for safety sensitive positions? If one of my co workers is stoned and forgets to do something, or does it incorrectly there’s a good chance someone will die. Without a good way to test for intoxication, companies simply ban the substance as a precautionary measure. When weed is legal people simply say they were smoking on their days off which leaves the company no way to enforce a no weed policy.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Sep 9, 2022

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally


I feel like I’ve been here before. Is a plane about to get piloted into [downtown Toronto building]?

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011
The reason random drug screenings are illegal is because it’s discriminatory against drug addicts, which is considered a disability. It’ll be interesting when a train or heavy equipment operator or whoever is fired and their defence is ‘I’m addicted to weed’

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 9, 2022

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
I loving hate partisans so much. Blue santa, gently caress you.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

HookShot posted:

I'm the blue santa claus.

Blue Santa: "HO HO HO! Why no, Billy, I can't just give you a tricycle, because what would that be?"

Poor children: "Communism!"

Blue Santa: "HO HO HO! That's right! But if you agree to work for me and exchange value for value, perhaps in few years you will earn that toy."

A Tory Christmas Story

Stretch Marx
Apr 29, 2008

I'm ok with this.

PT6A posted:

They'll just say, "I don't give a gently caress if you smoked ten minutes ago, a day ago or a week ago; you tested positive, find a job where impaired performance won't mean someone could die." I don't think that's unreasonable, either, at least until we have more data about how cannabis impairs people.

As Drewjitsu mentioned the second a company does that they're getting sued.

Stretch Marx
Apr 29, 2008

I'm ok with this.

Gorau posted:

Out of curiosity, and absent a fool proof test for weed intoxication, where do you think the SCC will come down on testing for safety sensitive positions? If one of my co workers is stoned and forgets to do something, or does it incorrectly there’s a good chance someone will die. Without a good way to test for intoxication, companies simply ban the substance as a precautionary measure. When weed is legal people simply say they were smoking on their days off which leaves the company no way to enforce a no weed policy.

Basically. You won't be able to prove immediate intoxication without a breathalyzer and any job that requires those would not have people who smoke just before work anymore than having people drink before work. Most people are smart enough not to do that. If you can't prove their intoxicated at that immediate point then a piss test is useless because it's very easy to prove you're not intoxicated a day later.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

A Typical Goon posted:

The reason random drug screenings are illegal is because it’s discriminatory against drug addicts, which is considered a disability. It’ll be interesting when a train or heavy equipment operator or whoever is fired and their defence is ‘I’m addicted to weed’

If you get pulled off a train for being drunk or high you get offered counselling and an addictions program first at the companies expense, if you refuse it then the company can give you a severance and call it a day.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

cowofwar posted:

I loving hate partisans so much. Blue santa, gently caress you.

Blue Santa is like regular Santa except instead of giving children presents, he gives all of the presents to the job creators, and some of the presents trickle down to the subset of children whose parents work for those job creators (the rest of the presents go directly to the job creators' children or are placed in offshore present shelters).

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

bunnyofdoom posted:

This.

I'm met Kent a poo poo ton of times. I've had to help him in a lot of ways because he isn't physically capable of a lot of things, and I don't believe he could have done those things.

EDIT: As for the comments...I mean...I don't know. If he had been drinking in his office, I can see him having said some of that poo poo. But he's a friendly drunk usually....

God, I do not miss politics.

But is it true that you once sat beside Sherry Romanado on the bus?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Manspreadig is a serious problem

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN
Dinosaur Gum
My girl Sherry is a Greenfield Park girl through and through :canada: shame that we lost a pretty good MP (Sadia Groghiue) in favour of the Justin effect. Greenfield Park is a place similar to Surrey or insert other white trash neighbourhood of your choice where there's a financially disadvantaged anglophone community wedged between francophone Longueuil on one side,francophone/multiethnic Brossard on another and then the Upper class Anglo/Franco Saint Lambert towards the river. My workplace is there so we get lots of interesting types in our ER and wards.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
gently caress Brian Pallister

https://twitter.com/WabKinew/status/938830051293802496

https://twitter.com/WabKinew/status/938830761041412097

https://twitter.com/WabKinew/status/938831162021048321

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Is that 18 months for one person?

That’s nuts.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"


Canada isn't the worst but certainly has a lot of catching up to do.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

Jordan7hm posted:

Is that 18 months for one person?

That’s nuts.

Yes it was extended to 18 moths in the last Federal Budget, you still get the same amount of money, it's just spread out longer. By not guaranteeing your job though the Manitoba PCs made that useless.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

DariusLikewise posted:

Yes it was extended to 18 moths in the last Federal Budget, you still get the same amount of money, it's just spread out longer. By not guaranteeing your job though the Manitoba PCs made that useless.

Yeah I just read up quickly on it.

Seems like it’s already useless for anyone but the wealthy.

I dunno I think 18 months is an unreasonable amount of time for an employer to be required to keep an empty job waiting, but whatever.

And we were tied for 5th in paid leave in that chart. Not a lot of catching up to do actually. Unpaid leave is dumb in a world where you should expect to find a new job every 5-7 years.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
It's just for the guaranteed right to the same position or like-work, you will still get the same total compensation from EI. It really isn't a burden on employers, they already resort to recurring contract work anyhow.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Jordan7hm posted:


I dunno I think 18 months is an unreasonable amount of time for an employer to be required to keep an empty job waiting, but whatever.

How on earth have you never heard of a maternity leave contract.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Jordan7hm posted:

Yeah I just read up quickly on it.

Seems like it’s already useless for anyone but the wealthy.

I dunno I think 18 months is an unreasonable amount of time for an employer to be required to keep an empty job waiting, but whatever.

And we were tied for 5th in paid leave in that chart. Not a lot of catching up to do actually. Unpaid leave is dumb in a world where you should expect to find a new job every 5-7 years.

It's not a burden at all, they just get contract worker for the 18 months. I know lots of people who got their foot in the door in offices this way. You work an mat leave contract for X months then they'll often just bring you in full time. Where it gets awkward is when the woman on mat leave was terrible at her job and a nasty person to be around so they really want to keep you and dump her but can't, but they usually find a way around it eventually.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Risky Bisquick posted:

It's just for the guaranteed right to the same position or like-work, you will still get the same total compensation from EI. It really isn't a burden on employers, they already resort to recurring contract work anyhow.

Yeah, fair enough. I guess the extra 6 months isn’t that big a deal from their side.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

PhilippAchtel posted:

Blue Santa: "HO HO HO! Why no, Billy, I can't just give you a tricycle, because what would that be?"

No no no, you see what ACTUALLY happens is that Blue Santa gives himself and three of his friends 99% of the tricycles instead, but it's OK for Billy because if Santa and his friends get all the tricycles it will somehow help Billy when the tricycles trickle down.

Also Billy is just a pre-friend, so it's in his best interests to go along with Santa for now.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

quote:

Toronto police chief dispels rumours of serial killer in Church and Wellesley neighbourhood

Toronto police Chief Mark Saunders announced to media Friday morning that he’s called for a review of how the force handles missing persons cases. It was also the first time police confirmed that 22-year-old Tess Richey’s body was found by her own mother.

By VICTORIA GIBSONStaff Reporter
JENNA MOONStaff Reporter
Fri., Dec. 8, 2017

There’s palpable fear in the neighbourhood around Church and Wellesley.

At least eight people have gone missing this year from the area around Toronto’s gay village. Two were found dead. Three are still missing.

Toronto police Chief Mark Saunders announced to media Friday morning that he’s called for a review of how the force handles missing persons cases. It was also the first time police confirmed that 22-year-old Tess Richey’s body was found by her own mother.

While Saunders and his detectives dispelled rumors of a serial killer in the village, friends are still cancelling plans to go out. Residents tuck pepper spray into their bags and inform neighbours when they’ll be home. Strangers are contacting the neighbourhood association, volunteering safe walks home.

Some information being shared about the Church and Wellesley disappearances has been misleading. A list of 11 missing people making rounds of the internet this week includes information from years ago.

Skandaraj “Skanda” Navaratnam, Abdulbasir “Basir” Faizi, and Majeed “Hamid” Kayhan – all middle aged, of similar ethnicity and “active” in the Church and Wellesley area – went missing between mid-2010 and late 2012. None were found, despite the forming of a task force called Project Houston.

Of the eight that disappeared in 2017, three have already been found safely. Police “have no evidence – let me repeat, no evidence – to indicate any links between any of the missing people,” spokesperson Mark Pugash said.

Chase Kincaid, 30, was last seen in August at Yonge and College. He’s still missing. So are 49-year-old Andrew Kinsman and 44-year-old Selim Esen – the subjects of Project Prism, a 51 Division task force struck in August. Kinsman disappeared in June from Winchester and Parliament; Esen disappeared in April from Yonge and Bloor.

Francis Doyle, Joan Lenahan and Troy Mussington, who each disappeared from the area this year, have all been found. A ninth person, Drew Phelps, was not listed as missing by police but by social media. Police spokesperson Michelle Flannery said there is a report to indicate Phelps was found.

One of the missing persons who met a grimmer end was Alloura Wells – a transgender sex worker who’d been homeless for a number of years, reported missing in November. Her body was found in a Rosedale ravine in August, and identified last week.

Wells was found beside a tent, with no personal effects on the scene. She just had a single pink purse. There are no indicators yet to suggest foul play. Police are looking for Wells’ transient boyfriend, Augustinus Balesdent – though he isn’t a suspect, he may be the last to have seen her alive.

Her family alleged that police told them the case was “not high priority” when they reported Wells missing, given her homelessness.

During Friday’s press conference, Saunders said multiple times the force may take a look at its “sensitivity” when handling such cases.

A man named Joshua Hind took to Twitter this week to point out similarities between the present cases and one from 1994. His uncle, Larry Arnold, had disappeared from around Yonge and Wellesley. Arnold’s body was discovered in Rosedale Valley weeks later.

“There were TV stories at the time that always led with ‘gay man killed,’ and mentioned he had been seen leaving a bar after a hookup, as though it was a hookup gone wrong,” Hind told the Star. A Star headline at the time referenced “gay slayings” like Arnold’s taking place across the continent.

“Detectives now believe Larry Arnold, 46, was slain after leaving a downtown gay bar on Oct. 14 in the company of a stocky, blond male prostitute with a French accent,” the story reads.

His killer was only caught when he confessed seven years later.

Hind compared Arnold’s case to coverage of 22-year-old Tess Richey’s murder last week. In the days after her mother found her body, reports emerged that she worked as an escort — an idea her family says is untrue.

“If six people in the last five months went missing in Forest Hill, obviously it would get a different level of attention,” Hind said of the police response.

University of Toronto professor VK Preston pointed to a history of police distrust in the area. “There is background that’s deep to this community. There’s a history of the police not responding well,” she said.

Pugash says a substantial amount of resources have been dedicated to the disappearances. “I can’t remember off the top of my head the last time there was a divisional task force or a divisional task force targeting missing people,” he said. “I think that is a tangible commitment of the intention of the service to devote whatever resources are necessary to resolving these.”

Project Prism has interviewed over 60 witnesses, requested more than two dozen judicial authorizations and followed up on hundreds of tasks so far.

“There probably isn’t anything that people take more seriously than a loved one or a friend who just disappears. And in some cases, there doesn’t appear to be obvious explanations. So I get that that is concerning,” Pugash said.

Police now have footage of Richey walking with an unknown male – considered a suspect – who approached her while standing by a hot dog cart in the village. She held her pink purse and green jacket in her hands, and her dark hair was loose.

The last surveillance footage of Richey alive shows them walking together closer to where her body would later be found – and when the man is seen on tape next, he walks away from the scene alone.

“If you have any information at all – even if you don’t think it’s that important – please come forward,” Pugash said.

“Because it could be the key to the lock.”

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

Jordan7hm posted:

Yeah, fair enough. I guess the extra 6 months isn’t that big a deal from their side.

But for the parents that six months is a big deal. Daycare availability and cost is pretty close to prohibitive for infant care, but toddler care (which starts at 18 months) is merely "expensive and hard to get" rather than outrageous and impossible.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Everything about this is incredibly hosed up.

quote:

Her family alleged that police told them the case was “not high priority” when they reported Wells missing, given her homelessness.

What in the actual gently caress. :(

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

The Butcher posted:

Everything about this is incredibly hosed up.


What in the actual gently caress. :(

Tess Richey's mother found her body in a stairwell a block from where she went missing, because the police have put so much effort into these investigations.

E: There was a VICE article on a few of the disappearances a couple months ago, basically they got no coverage until very recently and it's unclear what resources were being put into solving them before the press started asking questions.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Dec 9, 2017

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

I have gay and lesbian friends on my Facebook who have been sharing missing persons reports and disappearances for the better part of two years now. There is an ongoing problem in the village. I don’t think the police are investigating at all.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

The Butcher posted:

Everything about this is incredibly hosed up.


What in the actual gently caress. :(

Transgenders don’t matter, you know that!

cougar cub
Jun 28, 2004

Stretch Marx posted:

As Drewjitsu mentioned the second a company does that they're getting sued.

Wrong for Alberta. Pre-employment, pre-access, and post incident testing already exists and is enforceable. Doesn’t matter if a substance is legal, it can’t be in your system at all as a condition of employment or site access.

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Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

BC Liberal leadership candidate Mike De Jong, who you may recall is a simple farmer who does not use email, would like your email address.

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