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Positive flu test though both times. I assumed the strains change over the summer? And yeah, knee infection too but that's mostly better now. Still go to pt. Lote posts some, as does residency evil.
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I just post cause I’m friends with Scraps and Unamuno
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Dec 6, 2017 18:59
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Depressing: referral fees being more than half your pay, despite you busting rear end in the other half of your practice.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:00
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Popped into the Bay area for an interview, time to play tourist before chasing the dream of feel good law for that loan forgiv- whoops. So much for that.
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Dec 6, 2017 23:51
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Eminent Domain posted:Popped into the Bay area for an interview, time to play tourist before chasing the dream of feel good law for that loan forgiv- whoops. So much for that. Should still play tourist before you can't afford to no more.
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Dec 7, 2017 00:26
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CaptainScraps posted:Depressing: referral fees being more than half your pay, despite you busting rear end in the other half of your practice. Whaaah, I just more than doubled my income for very little work!
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Dec 7, 2017 02:16
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How do referrals work in Texas?
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Dec 7, 2017 02:58
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Who’s ready for year end talk??? Yes we have had a good year, revenue wise. The best ever in fact, record year. Yes, you exceeded expectations in work product and collections. But expenses were also high. And Needle Muckswill’s client, that water slide manufacturer with the PL case where that little girls vulva got ripped open? You remember. Yeah, they still owe us $200,000. So as much as it pains the partners we can’t give any raises this year. The Christmas dinner is going to be awesome though, all the partners can’t wait to get hammered and laugh with each other about how much money we made this year!
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Dec 7, 2017 03:32
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:How do referrals work in Texas? You sign up cases, flip them to people with time and money who work the hell out of cases, delineate your responsibilities in your fee agreement and you do your part and they do theirs. Good work is a lot harder to find than people willing to work hard.
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Dec 7, 2017 03:42
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CaptainScraps posted:You sign up cases, flip them to people with time and money who work the hell out of cases, delineate your responsibilities in your fee agreement and you do your part and they do theirs. Pretty much. I’ve been quoted between 33-40% of attorney’s fees depending on the amount of work I would do vs. the attorney I referred the case to.
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Dec 7, 2017 07:13
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CaptainScraps posted:You sign up cases, flip them to people with time and money who work the hell out of cases, delineate your responsibilities in your fee agreement and you do your part and they do theirs. PI cases I assume? What's your work part on those?
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Dec 7, 2017 09:45
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Got my results, officially made it through my five year double degree without failing a class.  (I realise this should be like bare minimum but I'm the only one in my friend group who managed this, and as someone who is not passionate about being a lawyer, it was a hell of a slog.)
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Dec 7, 2017 12:44
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Whitlam posted:Got my results, officially made it through my five year double degree without failing a class. Not being passionate about being a lawyer is probably why you succeeded, that means you know more about being a lawyer than everyone else
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Dec 7, 2017 15:28
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CaptainScraps posted:You sign up cases, flip them to people with time and money who work the hell out of cases, delineate your responsibilities in your fee agreement and you do your part and they do theirs. Yeah, and the rule is that your fee is unreasonable if its not "proportionate" to the amount of work you do.
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Dec 7, 2017 15:41
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blarzgh posted:Yeah, and the rule is that your fee is unreasonable if its not "proportionate" to the amount of work you do. Wait wait wait wait wait wait hold the gently caress up. You take money to transfer cases or point people to another attourney, who is then their representative? This is allowed? That's like an automatic disbarment in Norway. I must be misunderstanding.
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Dec 7, 2017 15:47
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Nice piece of fish posted:Wait wait wait wait wait wait hold the gently caress up. You take money to transfer cases or point people to another attourney, who is then their representative? This is allowed? That's like an automatic disbarment in Norway. I must be misunderstanding. I think it's called capitalism here friend
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Dec 7, 2017 17:02
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:PI cases I assume? What's your work part on those? Generally client contact, second chairing trial, preparing and reviewing discovery and expert reports, sometimes gathering medical records. quote:
The client has to be ok with it. They always are. There's a worker's comp firm I work with that basically tried to litigate the cases themselves, settle them quick and keep whatever pittance was given to them. I convinced them they need to start referring all their big PI cases out rather than doing them poorly and kind of slapdash and they're making CRAZY money now. Like Skadden partner money. :/
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Dec 7, 2017 17:04
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Nice piece of fish posted:Wait wait wait wait wait wait hold the gently caress up. You take money to transfer cases or point people to another attourney, who is then their representative? This is allowed? That's like an automatic disbarment in Norway. I must be misunderstanding. Both attorneys are attorneys on the case. The referring attorney is still responsible for it as well.
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Dec 7, 2017 17:05
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evilweasel posted:Both attorneys are attorneys on the case. The referring attorney is still responsible for it as well. Yeah, its like Batman and Robin.
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Dec 7, 2017 17:12
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Oh so you actually do have to do some work? I thought it was like a "no show no work" kinda deal.
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Dec 7, 2017 17:23
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh so you actually do have to do some work? I thought it was like a "no show no work" kinda deal. those are pretty illegal in every state whose ethics rules I've thumbed through, which are admittedly not that many
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Dec 7, 2017 17:37
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh so you actually do have to do some work? I thought it was like a "no show no work" kinda deal. Some. Not as much. Think junior associate. In practice it's "LOOKS GOOD, BOSS" G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 17:49
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evilweasel posted:those are pretty illegal in every state whose ethics rules I've thumbed through, which are admittedly not that many Which was my impression too, that's why I've always been confused about these arrangements. I mean I have a client assigned to me by statute so I have no idea what the private sector looks like anymore.
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Dec 7, 2017 17:52
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Posted here, without comment: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/forcing-kid-to-masturbate-for-cops-in-sexting-case-was-wrong-court-finds/
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Dec 7, 2017 17:59
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evilweasel posted:Both attorneys are attorneys on the case. The referring attorney is still responsible for it as well. That kind of arrangement is allowed? Certainly, we also permit multiple attourneys per case, and they are also all responsible. But the way it mostly goes is client makes an appointment, attourney says we can't handle this you need a specialist, we either recommmend one or don't and we tell them to gently caress off and bill for our time. Under no circumstances are we allowed to charge any fee to refer from or to anyone in any way. We are also not allowed to be two attourneys on any case which doesn't call for it (which is pretty much every private non-corporate case). Essentially, there's one attourney per client. Switching attourneys is fine, obviously, but one involvement ends where the other begins. I'm assuming these cooperative things are done to avoid the whole "pay me to refer you" thing, which I'm assuming is unethical also in the US.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:10
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh so you actually do have to do some work? I thought it was like a "no show no work" kinda deal. This is perfectly legal in Pennsylvania. Here are the only restrictions. (e) A lawyer shall not divide a fee for legal services with another lawyer who is not in the same firm unless: (1) the client is advised of and does not object to the participation of all the lawyers involved, and (2) the total fee of the lawyers is not illegal or clearly excessive for all legal services they rendered the client.
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Dec 7, 2017 18:19
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Nice piece of fish posted:That kind of arrangement is allowed? Certainly, we also permit multiple attourneys per case, and they are also all responsible. But the way it mostly goes is client makes an appointment, attourney says we can't handle this you need a specialist, we either recommmend one or don't and we tell them to gently caress off and bill for our time. Yes. Because of the structure of the United States its not uncommon to have two firms on the same matter: one main firm handling it, and then "local counsel" because the main firm is not licenced to practice in one or more of the states that the case is in. So it's just a practical necessity that lawyers be able to divvy up cases between firms, and once you do that you open up a door that (who else) lawyers can exploit to evade the referral fee bans. And yes, it's a workaround because flat referral fees are unethical, but there's just too many good lawyers who are bad at generating business. Plus, it's not that much different from the business model of a major US law firm: the partner is responsible for generating the business, overseeing it, and being the face of the case while the associate does all the grunt work (or in some cases, basically all of the work), and the partner takes most of the money because getting the client is the bottleneck for most lawyers. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Dec 7, 2017 19:14
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I got an rx for beta blockers. Changed my whole perspective on poo poo man.
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evilweasel posted:Yes. Because of the structure of the United States its not uncommon to have two firms on the same matter: one main firm handling it, and then "local counsel" because the main firm is not licenced to practice in one or more of the states that the case is in. So it's just a practical necessity that lawyers be able to divvy up cases between firms, and once you do that you open up a door that (who else) lawyers can exploit to evade the referral fee bans. Ahh, yeah, got it now. Thanks for the clarification, seems obvious when you consider your state-specific practice rules. I wonder if it would be possible to do something similar here. Anyway, so in something unrelated I've been dropped a hint that a buddy could get me an interview for an in-house position at a business consulting firm. It's business, contract, personell and infosec compliance, none of which I particularly enjoy, but it would be a way to not work as an attourney. Any reason for me to decline? It's not the greatest fit for me and I'd hardly feel qualified, at least until I got into it, but it's not something I couldn't do from a formal perspective. But I loving hate interviews, and it's at the very best a lateral move.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh so you actually do have to do some work? I thought it was like a "no show no work" kinda deal.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:46
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Got the verdict today, not guilty. UCPV, mistake of fact defense. 
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Dec 8, 2017 01:19
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Tokelau All Star posted:Got the verdict today, not guilty. UCPV, mistake of fact defense. Good job!
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So a Defendant said that I was a "good man" after he was sentenced with a fine on a Class A Misdemeanor. ... And I was the one prosecuting the case. I feel conflicted about this.
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Dec 8, 2017 02:02
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MechaX posted:So a Defendant said that I was a "good man" after he was sentenced with a fine on a Class A Misdemeanor. He's telling you he was guilty of a bunch of poo poo and is glad you didn't find out.
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MechaX posted:So a Defendant said that I was a "good man" after he was sentenced with a fine on a Class A Misdemeanor. It was a mistake. Prosecutors are never good people.
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Dec 8, 2017 02:39
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Tokelau All Star posted:Got the verdict today, not guilty. UCPV, mistake of fact defense. Congratulations!
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Tokelau All Star posted:Got the verdict today, not guilty. UCPV, mistake of fact defense. Hey, good work. I guess that means you're a free man now?
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Dec 8, 2017 09:27
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I actually feel less free because I have to go back to doing my regular everyday calendar bullshit.
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Dec 8, 2017 10:20
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Tokelau All Star posted:I actually feel less free because I have to go back to doing my regular everyday calendar bullshit. It was a public defender is actually the defendant joke. It was a bad joke. Like all my jokes. Seriously though, relish the win. It's always good to get a reminder that you do know what the gently caress you're about.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Anyway, so in something unrelated I've been dropped a hint that a buddy could get me an interview for an in-house position at a business consulting firm. It's business, contract, personell and infosec compliance, none of which I particularly enjoy, but it would be a way to not work as an attourney. Any reason for me to decline? It's not the greatest fit for me and I'd hardly feel qualified, at least until I got into it, but it's not something I couldn't do from a formal perspective. But I loving hate interviews, and it's at the very best a lateral move. See underlining. Serious question, how much is work other than as an attorney worth to you?
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